Elizabeth Warren, the snakiest of snakes or just a snake?

I would change that last part to only because he out-raises most of the other candidates combined. Aside from the silliness regarding her family's stories regarding their ancestry, which isn't a lie on her part, and the thing about what Bernie said to her about a woman not being able to be elected, what serious lies has she been telling?

It becomes a lie when you use those 'silly stories' to advance yourself but do not do the due diligence to ensure you are speaking truthfully. For instance, before I ever applied for anything relating to my native heritage I made sure I tracked down the exact family chain from me to that long, long, long ago native. I didn't rely on 'silly stories' claiming I was 1/64th (which would have been a lie, as I'm not).


That's the current lie, yes. That's the one I'm weighing and judging her most severely on here as this is a snake move, biting a long time friend's hand in a stupidly see-through play.

A play that will damn the Democrats if Biden doesn't make it onto the ticket instead of her.

Until this last brazen lie, I really didn't dislike her.  I mean I think her policies are bunk and she's very incompetently trying to play at having a populist movement when she doesn't have any populist support, and I think her only success so far comes from CNN very vigorously stroking her campaign, but I really didn't actively dislike her.  I wouldn't vote for her, but I don't het her.

Now though?  She makes Trump look like he has a positive side in comparison.


Okay, here's the most telling and direct (and easiest to source):


This is flat out a false statement.

She claims she was fired in 1971 for being visibly pregnant, except she wasn't fired.

It would be one thing if she said "My kids also went to pubic school", but the way she said was a clear and calculated misdirection.

We'll have to see if her promise to serve her full term in the Senate this election was a lie or a promise she keeps only because she loses the primary.


I've skipped a host of "clever misdirections", because like the last big one and the one against Sanders, they're all very much "not lies", those clever little misdirected truths that lead the listener to believe a falsehood for your benefit, but leave that wiggle room of "Oh, you just misunderstood" when she get's called on it.

This makes her a very dangerous liar.

Wait, so because "Trump is the baddest of the bad" no one else's badness can be discussed? That's a thin excuse for your Whatabouting...


I always am.


Eh... It has added to my reasons to never vote for her. She's is attacking a long time friend, or at the very least, she's attacking someone whom has always treated her as a friend, has called her a friend on tv, and has acted in the manner consistent of a friend. I wouldn't care if it was Gabbard or Yang, or Bernie pulling this shit. I'd call them out just as fast.


I do think Bernie's a genuinely decent guy. Shitty policies, can't vote for him based on his policies*, but that's not why the Sanders call out thread.

See, as I mentioned, she's the Democrat's fall back, CNN's #1 pick, and because of this, she needs to be tarred for her every fault going in so a better candidate can win the Dem primary when Biden completely falls apart.



* I mean... if it were literally Trump and Sanders and no third party... and it was vote for one or the other, then I'd hmmm. Tough call. Like Obama's second run (where I voted for Obama), Trump has done well for America so far.

That's actually false... see, this is why so many of us ignore you. You don't pay attention to what is actually happening.

Bernie's plans don't require massive tax hikes. His funding is right there in his plan in black and white, it's just no one wants to believe it when he says "defund the military". They think he means "cut back a little", like Clinton or Obama era cuts.

Warren's plans actually include 'massive' (as she puts it) tax hikes on the rich and wealthy corporations. However, the rich will just do as they always do and move their wealth into the areas that are least taxed, as always raising no where near what she hopes. So, yeah, her funding would fail, and she'd just hike our already sky-high debit higher. And probably raise taxes on the middle class.

Perhaps you do not understand what the words "defund the military" mean.

But yeah, a part of his plan is "raise taxes on the rich and businesses". So in a nutshell his plan is "decimate the military, drive away businesses, and create capital flight". Genius!

And neither one can beat Trump. Buttigieg can't win, because this country isn't ready to vote gay.  The billionaires can't buy it.  Only Biden has name recognition and moderation enough to win..............and the Democrats are destroying him.  If the actions of the left weren't resulting in another Trump win, this would be funny.