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Post by kirinke on Jun 27, 2020 12:51:20 GMT
You think everything Trump does is wonderful 3cat. It's a wonder your nose isn't orange for all the time you spend adhered to his backside. So excuse me for not believing a word you parrot.
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Post by Maxperson on Jun 27, 2020 14:28:14 GMT
So is pushing it on the state going to help people or hurt them? My take on this, is it is a smoke and mirrors game in the end. In general, Republicans hate to spend money on healthcare, hell, they're trying to end ACA during this crisis. In particular, Trump wants Covid-19 to be swept under the rug. With less testing, that means less reporting, which means his numbers look better than they should. So by pushing it on the states, that will result in a funding cut and confusion, which will get him what he wants.
The ability to point fingers and say 'it wasn't my fault."
You stupid fuckin' cunt. ACA isn't healthcare. It's a poorly run, overly expensive for consumers health insurance. You really think trying to enact healthcare of any kind on a Federal level is going to be more effective than on a State of local level? It's just as poorly managed as everything else the federal government does. Not because orange man bad; because entrenched federal employees. I love how you argue out of one side of your mouth that the entrenched federal employees are bad and can't do things as well as the state, and out of the other side of your mouth you argue that you want these entrenched bad federal employees to have the power to force the states to do federal bidding at gunpoint. |
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Post by kirinke on Jun 27, 2020 14:50:13 GMT
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Post by Maxperson on Jun 27, 2020 15:19:52 GMT
Maybe. Another equally likely possibility is that Ovinomancer is correct and the money was the same or similar, but the optics were so bad that they reversed themselves. Optics matter, especially in an election year. |
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Post by evileeyore on Jun 27, 2020 16:38:36 GMT
That doesn't say what you want it to say. It says (done as a teleplay for easier understanding by morons): FED: "We're done running and directly funding these last 13 sites (out of 41), you states need to take them over and directly fund them, but you can apply to FEMA for emergency grants and the CARE Act for reimbursement funding." Texas: "Oh noes! The Fed is CUTTING FUNDING and these SITES WILL BE CLOSED (because we don't want to deal with this despite it working perfectly fine in the other States this has happened in)!" FED: "No, you can get funding via the CARE Act and emergency grants via FEMA and this is working great in all these other states. Ted Cruz and Texas: "OH NOES! FUNDING CUT! SITES CLOSING!" FED: "What? No look, you can run this more efficiently-" Ted Cruz: "ORANGEMANBAD CUT FUNDING CLOSE SITES!" FED: "Fine, we'll extend it one more month for you Ted, you big fucking cry baby, but everyone else? Still closing on schedule." I mean, it's right there in the article that Texas knew they could handle it but don't want to: "In Texas, officials in Harris and Dallas Counties confirmed to ABC News that the community-based sites would still be up and running beyond June 30, even if the federal government were to pull support." Do you even read these articles or do you just lean back, close your eyes, and rub one out over the thought that ORANGEMANBAD? |
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Post by evileeyore on Jun 27, 2020 16:47:50 GMT
Another equally likely possibility is that Ovinomancer is correct and the money was the same or similar, but the optics were so bad that they reversed themselves. Optics matter, especially in an election year. They're still closing one of the Texas sites by the deadline, and the extension isn't for as long as kirinke likely imagines it. I mean, as it stands post June 30th they'll be at most 11 sites still being run by the Fed, probably less, but it's impossible to get a read on how any sites are in which of the five states, and if the extension os for all 11, or just the ones in Texas. For instance, Colorado had already mostly switched over to using a private company, PSI, for it's testing beginning with the end of April switchovers and haven't been at all ruffled despite being included in the list of "FIVE STATES LOSING direct FEDERAL TESTING SITE FUNDING!111!!". |
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Post by kirinke on Jun 27, 2020 17:41:43 GMT
Dude.... FIVE STATES LOSING direct FEDERAL TESTING SITE FUNDING. That's a funding cut.
I am amused that you just admitted they lost direct federal funding. They aren't going to make that up even with re-imbursements.
The reason why people are up in arms about it is Covid-19 cases are surging in Texas. If the sites were closed down, there would be little or no way the other non-federally funded sites could keep up with testing.
Cutting direct Federal funding during a pandemic is stupid.
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Post by evileeyore on Jun 27, 2020 18:30:51 GMT
Dude.... FIVE STATES LOSING direct FEDERAL TESTING SITE FUNDING. That's a funding cut. No. |
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Post by kirinke on Jun 27, 2020 18:51:00 GMT
There... There. It's hard to admit you've been fooled by a smoke and mirrors gag. It happens to the best of us. People who haven't been sucked into Trump's personality cult aren't fooled by his bullshit though.
Ooo. While Americans die by the droves, Trump golfs.
And whines that people don't love him while proving he can't string two coherent sentences together and then accuses Biden of being incoherent.
While America crumbles, Trump fiddles. Or tweets and plays golf in modern times.
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Post by evileeyore on Jun 27, 2020 23:03:19 GMT
No. See, I've found when a child is throwing a tantrum, simply saying "No" to their demands in a firm voice (and sticking by it) works wonders. |
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Post by kirinke on Jun 27, 2020 23:27:19 GMT
Maybe you should try that with Trump and 3cat.
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Post by Maxperson on Jun 28, 2020 1:28:12 GMT
Dude.... FIVE STATES LOSING direct FEDERAL TESTING SITE FUNDING. That's a funding cut. No. Maybe. As I point out above, it really depends on the variables. The new funding method could result in less funding, more funding, or the same funding. |
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Post by evileeyore on Jun 28, 2020 3:18:50 GMT
Maybe. As I point out above, it really depends on the variables. The new funding method could result in less funding, more funding, or the same funding. Yes, quite. I'm waiting to see which way that wind blows before deciding how "bad" this action is. Regardless, the sites need to be turned over to the States, it really is a States thing, even if the funding is reduced. (though agreed, that would be annoying seeing how much got earmarked for corporate bailouts). |
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Post by kirinke on Jun 28, 2020 14:58:07 GMT
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Post by 3catcircus on Jun 28, 2020 15:31:14 GMT
No. See, I've found when a child is throwing a tantrum, simply saying "No" to their demands in a firm voice (and sticking by it) works wonders. Kinda the same way you'd do when training a dog... So, we've established that dogs and small children have a greater mental capacity than kirinke... |
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