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Post by evileeyore on Jul 21, 2020 2:19:04 GMT
I don't see where Trump is saying "the tests are hard", which is your assertion. Is he implying it? Eh, maube. He's certainly trying to make it look like he did something the rest of could do while half awake* and trying to make it sound like it was an amazing accomplishment. * Granted I know people who couldn't count down from 100 by seven, but that's because for them, "math is like hard". |
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Post by Ovinomancer on Jul 21, 2020 3:11:17 GMT
So, you want quotes eh?
Nice attempt at trying to make Trump sound less bad though. I applaud that. I'm not at all fooled you know.
One of the question is indeed simple, because the test is to place your cognitive ability. This means it exists to place people with actual cognitive failures. That question also tests the ability to recognize things from images, an ability that can be damaged or improperly formed, so it exists in the test. The rank idiocy here is that taking this very simple question as representative of the entirely battery because Orange Man Bad. Granted, the test is not an IQ test, but it does test things like memory, executive ability, and spatial awareness. "Acing" the test means you don't have cognitive deficits. While you're busy crowing (stupidly) that Trump thinks elephant questions are hard, you've missed the point (as did Wallace) that the result means Trump doesn't suffer from any cognitive defects. I'd very much like to see how Biden would do on the test. He's displayed some worrying behavior on the trail, although Trump does as well and he can pass it, so that's not enough to say Joe's got issues. Hence why I'd like to see his results. |
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Post by mustrumridcully on Jul 21, 2020 12:12:35 GMT
Saying he is a clown is the best way to minimize his incompetence and how his mismanagement of the pandemic made sure more people died from COVID. Bravo. Your masters trained you well. So incompetent he did better than Europe? Yeah, this attack is so misaimed it hits a huge swath of supposedly "good" leaders. Get back to me when Australia fixes it's border and immigration problems about good leaders. When even Trump has a better track record on this than AUS, you shouldn't throw stones. Better than Europe? Seems kinda odd to cast such a wide net, because there are no "good leaders" of the whole of Europe.
European leaders like Macron or Merkel and even fucking Boris Johnson do seem to have better results now (I wonder how much actually getting seriously sick convinced him to do more... Unfortunately that's not working on Bolsonaro so far). In the US, apparently, total infected appear to be 1.2 % of the population, where Germany, France or the UK have lower numbers (0.24 % Germany, 0.43 % France, 0.27 % UK). Even Sweden whose (non)lockdown measures were controversially discussed and reportedly lead to a higher death rate has only 0.77 % infected.
And the US infection growth is still high and infection count is not on a "flat" curve so far. On death rate you might not look quite as bad yet in the US, but if you don't get a grip on this, that will change.
Maybe indirectly calling wearing masks patriotic now instead disloyal to Trump will finally do wonders. But I am not sure how much rejecting Federal funding for testing and the like will counter that.
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Post by kirinke on Jul 21, 2020 12:20:52 GMT
By saying this, he is saying it was hard for him. He was feeling proud to 'ace' a freaking cognitive test and then said rarely does anybody do what you just did. Honestly. Both you and Ovi are trying to make it sound less bad and are actually trying to make us clap for Trump and say 'good boi'.
It's not going to work. Here's another article explaining why it's not going to work:
Don't forget, he also wants payroll taxes cut, which funds social security. That's certainly not going to help either.
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Post by evileeyore on Jul 21, 2020 13:33:03 GMT
What I'm trying to do is get you to stop acting like when someone implies somethign it means they outright said it. Quote lives matter. It's like if I were to say "Biden said he'd defund the police". He hasn't. He's implied and heavily skirted, and leaned in on the idea, because right now that's a "black votes matter" issue and the man needs all the help he can get in black communities (lefty white illiberals will vote for him regardless because there are no Jews in his family*). Also, stop shitting up the Political Comedy Thread. You've got at least 3 other threads your nonsensical drive-by "news" postings would fit in perfectly. * See what I did there? I took several heavily implied things about white lefties and made it explicit. |
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Post by evileeyore on Jul 21, 2020 13:34:29 GMT
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Post by Kzach on Jul 21, 2020 13:42:56 GMT
Saying he is a clown is the best way to minimize his incompetence and how his mismanagement of the pandemic made sure more people died from COVID. Bravo. Your masters trained you well. So incompetent he did better than Europe? Yeah, this attack is so misaimed it hits a huge swath of supposedly "good" leaders. Get back to me when Australia fixes it's border and immigration problems about good leaders. When even Trump has a better track record on this than AUS, you shouldn't throw stones. Europe is many countries with different approaches and results. Your masters didn't tell you that. Or show you a map of Europe. They also lied to you. Europe is doing better. You're just spreading fake news. Your masters are proud. They have trained you Well. www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2020/06/the-us-lags-way-behind-europe-in-covid-19-mortality/ |
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Post by kirinke on Jul 21, 2020 16:40:03 GMT
Now you're trying to change the subject because you can't really justify Trump's statements. You're only defense is 'he really didn't say it was hard, he was just bragging that "That’s an unbelievable thing. Rarely does anybody do what you just did,." and then flip to but 'Biden', instead of actually defending Trump.
Trump thought it was hard. You can't really come to any other conclusion. Nice try though. There's comedy in that as well.
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Post by Ovinomancer on Jul 21, 2020 19:37:25 GMT
So incompetent he did better than Europe? Yeah, this attack is so misaimed it hits a huge swath of supposedly "good" leaders. Get back to me when Australia fixes it's border and immigration problems about good leaders. When even Trump has a better track record on this than AUS, you shouldn't throw stones. Better than Europe? Seems kinda odd to cast such a wide net, because there are no "good leaders" of the whole of Europe. European leaders like Macron or Merkel and even fucking Boris Johnson do seem to have better results now (I wonder how much actually getting seriously sick convinced him to do more... Unfortunately that's not working on Bolsonaro so far). In the US, apparently, total infected appear to be 1.2 % of the population, where Germany, France or the UK have lower numbers (0.24 % Germany, 0.43 % France, 0.27 % UK). Even Sweden whose (non)lockdown measures were controversially discussed and reportedly lead to a higher death rate has only 0.77 % infected. And the US infection growth is still high and infection count is not on a "flat" curve so far. On death rate you might not look quite as bad yet in the US, but if you don't get a grip on this, that will change.
Maybe indirectly calling wearing masks patriotic now instead disloyal to Trump will finally do wonders. But I am not sure how much rejecting Federal funding for testing and the like will counter that.
Yes, Europe, because that's closer to the political structure of the US than any individual country. Also, % population infected is a useless metric, as it depends on testing and the fact that large swaths of people are infected but never show serious symptoms. Death per million pop has everyone doing pretty close -- the US is below France, the UK, Belgium, and Sweden. As for your last sentence, I have no idea what fever dream you're in, but it's not reality. I'm sad to see someone I actually like and respect fall down the kirinke hole of mindless OMB. |
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Post by Ovinomancer on Jul 21, 2020 19:38:51 GMT
So incompetent he did better than Europe? Yeah, this attack is so misaimed it hits a huge swath of supposedly "good" leaders. Get back to me when Australia fixes it's border and immigration problems about good leaders. When even Trump has a better track record on this than AUS, you shouldn't throw stones. Europe is many countries with different approaches and results. Your masters didn't tell you that. Or show you a map of Europe. They also lied to you. Europe is doing better. You're just spreading fake news. Your masters are proud. They have trained you Well. www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2020/06/the-us-lags-way-behind-europe-in-covid-19-mortality/The United States are many states with different approaches and results. Your point? Oh, I forgot, the point is whatever spin can be used to reinforce OMB except rational thought. The man is an embarrassment, but he's still better than the embarrassment you engage in daily in your "resistance." Also, it's nice to know Worldometer is lying. Good tip. |
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Post by Maxperson on Jul 21, 2020 20:00:14 GMT
So, you want quotes eh?
Nice attempt at trying to make Trump sound less bad though. I applaud that. I'm not at all fooled you know.
One of the question is indeed simple, because the test is to place your cognitive ability. This means it exists to place people with actual cognitive failures. That question also tests the ability to recognize things from images, an ability that can be damaged or improperly formed, so it exists in the test. The rank idiocy here is that taking this very simple question as representative of the entirely battery because Orange Man Bad. Granted, the test is not an IQ test, but it does test things like memory, executive ability, and spatial awareness. "Acing" the test means you don't have cognitive deficits. While you're busy crowing (stupidly) that Trump thinks elephant questions are hard, you've missed the point (as did Wallace) that the result means Trump doesn't suffer from any cognitive defects. I'd very much like to see how Biden would do on the test. He's displayed some worrying behavior on the trail, although Trump does as well and he can pass it, so that's not enough to say Joe's got issues. Hence why I'd like to see his results. Trump says that he took one recently, but the last known test was 2.5 years ago and a lot can happen in that time to someone as old as he is. I'd pay good money to see both Trump and Biden take it together on video. |
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Post by Ovinomancer on Jul 21, 2020 21:15:29 GMT
One of the question is indeed simple, because the test is to place your cognitive ability. This means it exists to place people with actual cognitive failures. That question also tests the ability to recognize things from images, an ability that can be damaged or improperly formed, so it exists in the test. The rank idiocy here is that taking this very simple question as representative of the entirely battery because Orange Man Bad. Granted, the test is not an IQ test, but it does test things like memory, executive ability, and spatial awareness. "Acing" the test means you don't have cognitive deficits. While you're busy crowing (stupidly) that Trump thinks elephant questions are hard, you've missed the point (as did Wallace) that the result means Trump doesn't suffer from any cognitive defects. I'd very much like to see how Biden would do on the test. He's displayed some worrying behavior on the trail, although Trump does as well and he can pass it, so that's not enough to say Joe's got issues. Hence why I'd like to see his results. Trump says that he took one recently, but the last known test was 2.5 years ago and a lot can happen in that time to someone as old as he is. I'd pay good money to see both Trump and Biden take it together on video. I don't need the video. Actually watching either of them isn't a good use of my time. |
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Post by kirinke on Jul 21, 2020 21:44:20 GMT
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Post by Maxperson on Jul 21, 2020 22:22:09 GMT
Trump says that he took one recently, but the last known test was 2.5 years ago and a lot can happen in that time to someone as old as he is. I'd pay good money to see both Trump and Biden take it together on video. I don't need the video. Actually watching either of them isn't a good use of my time. I just want to see them take it under the public eye where they can't get someone to lie on their behalf. |
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Post by kirinke on Jul 21, 2020 22:39:52 GMT
I'd be good with that.
It's an opinion piece, but there's some gallows humor in it:
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