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Post by evileeyore on Jul 22, 2020 3:02:58 GMT
... you can't really justify Trump's statements. I don;t care to justify his statements. You really are having a hard time understanding this concept aren't you? I really am beginning to believe you actually can't read or comprehend, because I didn't say that either. And you clearly don't understand analogies. No one is laughing with you... and I'm not even laughing. I just feel kinda sad for you. |
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Post by kirinke on Jul 22, 2020 15:34:13 GMT
Honestly, why are you getting so worked up over this? I am only poking fun at Trump bragging over acing a simple cognitive test. It is funny in a sad sort of way.
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Post by Kzach on Jul 22, 2020 17:39:31 GMT
The United States are many states with different approaches and results. Your point? Oh, I forgot, the point is whatever spin can be used to reinforce OMB except rational thought. The man is an embarrassment, but he's still better than the embarrassment you engage in daily in your "resistance." Also, it's nice to know Worldometer is lying. Good tip. Your responses are emotional when two of us point out that you're wrong and Trump is doing worse on COVID (among other things) than your masters are telling you. Emotional like someone who is partisan and not objective... Almost like a Trumper and a Republican would be. But you always denied it. Even if you defend them constantly, constantly attack Dems and in both cases use their talking points... |
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Post by evileeyore on Jul 22, 2020 19:08:46 GMT
Honestly, why are you getting so worked up over this? Because someone keeps shitting up the Political Comedy thread. It's just banal in a boring sort of way. |
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Post by kirinke on Jul 22, 2020 19:40:55 GMT
We all have different senses of humor Nail Bunny. You keep on posting right wing humor, I'll keep on posting left wing humor. That's how it goes.
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Post by mustrumridcully on Jul 22, 2020 20:06:03 GMT
Better than Europe? Seems kinda odd to cast such a wide net, because there are no "good leaders" of the whole of Europe. European leaders like Macron or Merkel and even fucking Boris Johnson do seem to have better results now (I wonder how much actually getting seriously sick convinced him to do more... Unfortunately that's not working on Bolsonaro so far). In the US, apparently, total infected appear to be 1.2 % of the population, where Germany, France or the UK have lower numbers (0.24 % Germany, 0.43 % France, 0.27 % UK). Even Sweden whose (non)lockdown measures were controversially discussed and reportedly lead to a higher death rate has only 0.77 % infected. And the US infection growth is still high and infection count is not on a "flat" curve so far. On death rate you might not look quite as bad yet in the US, but if you don't get a grip on this, that will change.
Maybe indirectly calling wearing masks patriotic now instead disloyal to Trump will finally do wonders. But I am not sure how much rejecting Federal funding for testing and the like will counter that.
Yes, Europe, because that's closer to the political structure of the US than any individual country. Also, % population infected is a useless metric, as it depends on testing and the fact that large swaths of people are infected but never show serious symptoms. Death per million pop has everyone doing pretty close -- the US is below France, the UK, Belgium, and Sweden. As for your last sentence, I have no idea what fever dream you're in, but it's not reality. I'm sad to see someone I actually like and respect fall down the kirinke hole of mindless OMB.
No, Europe's political structure is not really that close to the US. The individual countries are considerably more independent than any US state, even if they are in the EU, even if they share the €uro.
Germany might in some ways be the closest, because we have states with their own government and a Federal government, too. The equivalent of our state governors have a lot of authority relevant for the pandemic and each state has leeway and how to respond within the Federal law on infectious diseases. They were coordinating however under Federal leadership, but still in the end make their own decisions.l Different states were hit differently with the virus. States like Bavaria got hit first and hardest, others were much delayed and never got that back, but some states still had hot spots that they needed to deal with.
Our death rate is smaller than that of our neighbors, last time I checked (a bit to my surprise, I figured they'd all be similar by now.)
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Post by evileeyore on Jul 22, 2020 22:24:06 GMT
You keep on posting right wing humor, I'll keep on posting left wing humor. The sad thing is you believe this. The majority of what I post here is liberal* humour and all you post are news stories that agree with your narrative. They aren't 'humour' in any shape or form. * Anti-Democrat has become a liberal position. |
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Post by kirinke on Jul 23, 2020 13:04:11 GMT
Yeah.... However, I find this hilarious in a sad sort of way. Trump’s Now Claiming He Got ‘Extra Points’ on Cognitive Test. He insists he got a “perfect mark” on, now claiming he also got “extra points” for a particularly impressive feat. The feat? Repeating the words “person, woman, man, camera, TV” in the right order. news.yahoo.com/trump-now-claiming-got-extra-023043153.html |
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Post by Devoid on Jul 23, 2020 20:41:38 GMT
You keep on posting right wing humor, I'll keep on posting left wing humor. The sad thing is you believe this. The majority of what I post here is liberal* humour and all you post are news stories that agree with your narrative. They aren't 'humour' in any shape or form. * Anti-Democrat has become a liberal position. Progressivism (Democratic Party establishment) vs libertarianism (little to no government involvement)? |
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Post by Ovinomancer on Jul 24, 2020 0:29:13 GMT
The sad thing is you believe this. The majority of what I post here is liberal* humour and all you post are news stories that agree with your narrative. They aren't 'humour' in any shape or form. * Anti-Democrat has become a liberal position. Progressivism (Democratic Party establishment) vs libertarianism (little to no government involvement)? No, liberal as in Enlightenment value structures. Libertarianism is a branch of liberal thought, but not definitionally so. You can have a very strong Federal government and still be liberal. I'd argue that you can't get to socailsim/communism and keep liberal values, but that's more because of how those work in the real world rather than the pure theory. |
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Post by evileeyore on Jul 25, 2020 0:50:10 GMT
Progressivism (Democratic Party establishment) vs libertarianism (little to no government involvement)? No, liberal as in Enlightenment value structures. Libertarianism is a branch of liberal thought, but not definitionally so. You can have a very strong Federal government and still be liberal. I'd argue that you can't get to socailsim/communism and keep liberal values, but that's more because of how those work in the real world rather than the pure theory. Yes, as Ovi says, Classical liberalism (Enlightenment Liberalism) vs modern Progressive† and Establishment Democrats. † Mind the capital 'P', it separates the cntrl-left 'progressives' (AOC, Omar, Tlaib, De Blasio, etc) from the liberal progressives (Warren, Sanders, Kucinich, etc). |
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Post by 3catcircus on Jul 25, 2020 1:40:02 GMT
No, liberal as in Enlightenment value structures. Libertarianism is a branch of liberal thought, but not definitionally so. You can have a very strong Federal government and still be liberal. I'd argue that you can't get to socailsim/communism and keep liberal values, but that's more because of how those work in the real world rather than the pure theory. Yes, as Ovi says, Classical liberalism (Enlightenment Liberalism) vs modern Progressive† and Establishment Democrats. † Mind the capital 'P', it separates the cntrl-left 'progressives' (AOC, Omar, Tlaib, De Blasio, etc) from the liberal progressives (Warren, Sanders, Kucinich, etc). Central-Left? Liberal progressive? Everyone you listed there is a goddamn communist who should be given a fair trial and a fair hanging as a traitor. |
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Post by Devoid on Jul 25, 2020 2:23:56 GMT
Yes, as Ovi says, Classical liberalism (Enlightenment Liberalism) vs modern Progressive† and Establishment Democrats. † Mind the capital 'P', it separates the cntrl-left 'progressives' (AOC, Omar, Tlaib, De Blasio, etc) from the liberal progressives (Warren, Sanders, Kucinich, etc). Central-Left? Liberal progressive? Everyone you listed there is a goddamn communist who should be given a fair trial and a fair hanging as a traitor. cntrl-left => the control-driven authoritarian left (not central)
I hadn't realized you were such a devout supporter McCarthyism (all presumed "communists" [even those not affiliated with other nations] should be ostracized and preferably sentenced to death)? Perhaps you were simply speaking hyperbolically as a growing number of people in our society are.
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Post by evileeyore on Jul 25, 2020 4:52:59 GMT
cntrl-left => the control-driven authoritarian left (not central) Exactly. As I suspect you know, it's a play on alt-right. The conservative have the alt-right (more reactionary, libertarian/liberal*, 'racist' right) and the left have the cntrl-left (more radical, authoritarian, racist left). It's very much the 'horseshoe' theory in play. * An awful lot of the people lumped into the 'alt-right' by their enemies are classical liberals, a whole bunch are straight out libertarian, and then there's the actual neo-nazis. |
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Post by evileeyore on Jul 25, 2020 4:58:24 GMT
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