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Post by 3catcircus on Jun 2, 2021 15:43:31 GMT
Fair enough. Doesn't change the fact that we shouldn't have been funding communists who view us as enemies. That's what no one in government gets - China doesn't view us as competition. They view us as an enemy to conquer. I find this statement naive. You honestly believe NO ONE in government gets it? It is more likely there was collusion in the science than every USA senator and person involved is a sap. I'm sure some people in government get it. They are not in positions of authority. Senators have a whole staff to tell them what their opinion should be, based upon what the lobbyists want. Am I cynical? Yes - based upon 30+ years of working with government employees.
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Post by 3catcircus on Jun 2, 2021 23:52:34 GMT
***Still*** don't believe me when I say masks are worthless for the overall population, kirinje?!?! Attachments:
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Post by kirinke on Jun 2, 2021 23:56:59 GMT
That was in Feb of 2020, before we knew shit about Covid-19. Also, I follow the CDC guidelines. You are relying on old data dude and cherry-picking the rest. Nice try. The thing with science is, as you get more facts about shit, it changes and updates.
But then, I wouldn't be surprised at how you don't realize this, considering you follow a guy who thinks Covid-19 was Democratic Hoax.
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Post by 3catcircus on Jun 3, 2021 0:02:26 GMT
That was in Feb of 2020, before we knew shit about Covid-19. Also, I follow the CDC guidelines. You are relying on old data dude and cherry-picking the rest. Nice try. The thing with science is, as you get more facts about shit, it changes and updates.
But then, I wouldn't be surprised at how you don't realize this, considering you follow a guy who thinks Covid-19 was Democratic Hoax.
Oh, so now you are declaring St. Fauci fallible but when he confirms your bias, he's infallible. Gimme a break. He's a goddamn liar who deserves to go to jail. Follow him right off the cliff, lemming.
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Post by kirinke on Jun 3, 2021 0:26:11 GMT
Since when have I quoted Fauci or even care about him? He's like another Hillary to you. I go by the CDC guidelines. And I'm still alive because I did wear a mask, social distance and all the rest. I also got the vaccine, so now my life is back to mostly normal. I still got to wear a mask for stuff like hair salons and travel, but that's no big deal. It was never a big deal to wear a mask. Unlike you, I know wearing a mask won't hurt me and in the case of Covid-19, it can only help.
You obviously have no appreciation for your fellow human being which includes close friends or family, otherwise, you'd pull on your big boy shorts and wear the damn mask.
Sad really.
And yes, that's me being completely amused at you.
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Post by Maxperson on Jun 3, 2021 1:43:50 GMT
***Still*** don't believe me when I say masks are worthless for the overall population, kirinje?!?! You need to read that again. He's very clearly saying that masks do work if the sick person wears them.................................just.................................like..................................we've................................been................................saying. He then says that it won't keep it out if some dumbfuck like you is infected and not wearing a mask. His advice not to wear one was 1) because she was going to a low risk area anyway, and 2) it was early on and he didn't have all the information available. You're cherry picking a lot more than she is.
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Post by kirinke on Jun 3, 2021 11:19:53 GMT
Not only that, it's very difficult to determine when a person is infected. It takes some time for them to show symptoms and some people are asymptomatic. So it behooves one to wear a mask because of that uncertainty. The does block the virus as it travels in water-droplets which you sneeze and cough out.
Wear the damned mask 3cat and if you get vaccinated, you won't have to wear them as much. The emails change nothing. Science marches on and guidance changes over time as you get more information. That's fact. Not the conspiracy theorist nonsense you cling to.
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Post by 3catcircus on Jun 3, 2021 14:20:50 GMT
***Still*** don't believe me when I say masks are worthless for the overall population, kirinje?!?! You need to read that again. He's very clearly saying that masks do work if the sick person wears them.................................just.................................like..................................we've................................been................................saying. He then says that it won't keep it out if some dumbfuck like you is infected and not wearing a mask. His advice not to wear one was 1) because she was going to a low risk area anyway, and 2) it was early on and he didn't have all the information available. You're cherry picking a lot more than she is. What part of masks you buy in drugstores won't do anything don't you get? Even St. Fauci is declaring their inability to block virus in his email. What part of the multiple studies I've linked to that clearly show universal masking by healthy people does nothing to prevent the spread of viruses, especially when they are not N95 or full face respirators worn by an untrained public don't you understand? I'll spell it out for you: a crowd of 100 people are healthy. They are forced to wear masks because of health theater. How are they going to prevent spreading illness by wearing masks when they aren't sick to begin with? A sick person wears a typical drugstore mask. Fauci admits in his email that it isn't gonna do a damn thing to prevent a healthy person from breathing in virus though the mask. The *only* thing it'll help with is *gross droplets* - i.e. gigantic drops of bodily fluid. Aerosols? Forget it. No surgical-type mask blocks aerosols because they'll find their way into the airstream at points of lower resistance around the ears, nose, jawline. Or they'll go right through that weave pushing virus through along with it. In fact, pretty much every non N95/non-respirator *creates* aerosols during exhalation. Which is *why* surgical masks are clearly labeled to indicate that won't prevent infections - they'll only prevent large droplets from contaminating the surgical field. As to the "low risk" statement in his email, it's entirely clear that he is stating this as a reassurance to a nervous traveler - *any* place other than in a healthcare facility or a setting like a nursing home is low risk. I can't help that you and kirinke have allowed yourselves to be duped into believing statements based on political expediency rather than actual science. You wanna continue wearing ineffective masks - feel free. I choose not to. Our worthless hunk of shit governor was finally forced to rescind mask mandates. I've been to multiple indoor locations in the past week without masks and it was glorious. Here's several illustrations of just how easily-led people have been over this rather than thinking for themselves: During those past summer, my daughter's rec league lacrosse season was cancelled. Her club team season was abbreviated. Parents were forced to sit at least six feet apart from each other and wear masks. Outdoors. In sunshine. When the girls were riding in the same car to and from tournaments each week. After having spent the night at each other's homes having sleepovers. My son's football fundraiser skit practice a month or so ago was most of the team in close proximity (arm-in-arm) for two hours with some of them choosing to not wear masks. One kid the next morning had symptoms and tested positive. Not one other kid (including those who were right next to him) developed symptoms. Other interesting tidbits: *Everyone* will test positive for covid using PCR when the cycle time is 60. Because PCR is a manufacturing tool - it'll multiply a single molecule. Regardless of whether it is live virus or viral debris. When labs started reducing cycle times from as high as 40 down to the mid-20s, suddenly all those poor schlubs who had no symptoms but tested positive were no longer testing positive. It was never about trying to prevent people from getting really really sick from covid since the vast majority get the sniffles at the worst. It was always about forcing a specific gloom-and-doom narrative as every PCR positive case was breathlessly announced by the media. When a measly 6% of covid deaths were due to covid and the other 94% were people with 2+ comorbidities to such an extent that those conorbidities were already in the process of killing them, it was never about the science.
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Post by Maxperson on Jun 3, 2021 14:58:57 GMT
You need to read that again. He's very clearly saying that masks do work if the sick person wears them.................................just.................................like..................................we've................................been................................saying. He then says that it won't keep it out if some dumbfuck like you is infected and not wearing a mask. His advice not to wear one was 1) because she was going to a low risk area anyway, and 2) it was early on and he didn't have all the information available. You're cherry picking a lot more than she is. What part of masks you buy in drugstores won't do anything don't you get? Even St. Fauci is declaring their inability to block virus in his email. What part of the multiple studies I've linked to that clearly show universal masking by healthy people does nothing to prevent the spread of viruses, especially when they are not N95 or full face respirators worn by an untrained public don't you understand? I'll spell it out for you: a crowd of 100 people are healthy. They are forced to wear masks because of health theater. How are they going to prevent spreading illness by wearing masks when they aren't sick to begin with? A sick person wears a typical drugstore mask. Fauci admits in his email that it isn't gonna do a damn thing to prevent a healthy person from breathing in virus though the mask. The *only* thing it'll help with is *gross droplets* - i.e. gigantic drops of bodily fluid. Aerosols? Forget it. No surgical-type mask blocks aerosols because they'll find their way into the airstream at points of lower resistance around the ears, nose, jawline. Or they'll go right through that weave pushing virus through along with it. In fact, pretty much every non N95/non-respirator *creates* aerosols during exhalation. Which is *why* surgical masks are clearly labeled to indicate that won't prevent infections - they'll only prevent large droplets from contaminating the surgical field. As to the "low risk" statement in his email, it's entirely clear that he is stating this as a reassurance to a nervous traveler - *any* place other than in a healthcare facility or a setting like a nursing home is low risk. I can't help that you and kirinke have allowed yourselves to be duped into believing statements based on political expediency rather than actual science. You wanna continue wearing ineffective masks - feel free. I choose not to. Our worthless hunk of shit governor was finally forced to rescind mask mandates. I've been to multiple indoor locations in the past week without masks and it was glorious. Here's several illustrations of just how easily-led people have been over this rather than thinking for themselves: During those past summer, my daughter's rec league lacrosse season was cancelled. Her club team season was abbreviated. Parents were forced to sit at least six feet apart from each other and wear masks. Outdoors. In sunshine. When the girls were riding in the same car to and from tournaments each week. After having spent the night at each other's homes having sleepovers. My son's football fundraiser skit practice a month or so ago was most of the team in close proximity (arm-in-arm) for two hours with some of them choosing to not wear masks. One kid the next morning had symptoms and tested positive. Not one other kid (including those who were right next to him) developed symptoms. Other interesting tidbits: *Everyone* will test positive for covid using PCR when the cycle time is 60. Because PCR is a manufacturing tool - it'll multiply a single molecule. Regardless of whether it is live virus or viral debris. When labs started reducing cycle times from as high as 40 down to the mid-20s, suddenly all those poor schlubs who had no symptoms but tested positive were no longer testing positive. It was never about trying to prevent people from getting really really sick from covid since the vast majority get the sniffles at the worst. It was always about forcing a specific gloom-and-doom narrative as every PCR positive case was breathlessly announced by the media. When a measly 6% of covid deaths were due to covid and the other 94% were people with 2+ comorbidities to such an extent that those conorbidities were already in the process of killing them, it was never about the science. What part of the English language don't you get? In that email he says that they do work. They work to prevent a sick person from spreading the droplets out. It's not normal breathing that does the vast majority of virus spreading. It's the laughing, singing, sneezing and coughing, which propel the droplets out. That's why masks drop infection rates by an average of 70% when worn by the infected.
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Post by kirinke on Jun 4, 2021 11:37:53 GMT
In other words, wear the damned mask 3cat. Science marches on as more information becomes available.
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Post by 3catcircus on Jun 4, 2021 12:49:58 GMT
What part of masks you buy in drugstores won't do anything don't you get? Even St. Fauci is declaring their inability to block virus in his email. What part of the multiple studies I've linked to that clearly show universal masking by healthy people does nothing to prevent the spread of viruses, especially when they are not N95 or full face respirators worn by an untrained public don't you understand? I'll spell it out for you: a crowd of 100 people are healthy. They are forced to wear masks because of health theater. How are they going to prevent spreading illness by wearing masks when they aren't sick to begin with? A sick person wears a typical drugstore mask. Fauci admits in his email that it isn't gonna do a damn thing to prevent a healthy person from breathing in virus though the mask. The *only* thing it'll help with is *gross droplets* - i.e. gigantic drops of bodily fluid. Aerosols? Forget it. No surgical-type mask blocks aerosols because they'll find their way into the airstream at points of lower resistance around the ears, nose, jawline. Or they'll go right through that weave pushing virus through along with it. In fact, pretty much every non N95/non-respirator *creates* aerosols during exhalation. Which is *why* surgical masks are clearly labeled to indicate that won't prevent infections - they'll only prevent large droplets from contaminating the surgical field. As to the "low risk" statement in his email, it's entirely clear that he is stating this as a reassurance to a nervous traveler - *any* place other than in a healthcare facility or a setting like a nursing home is low risk. I can't help that you and kirinke have allowed yourselves to be duped into believing statements based on political expediency rather than actual science. You wanna continue wearing ineffective masks - feel free. I choose not to. Our worthless hunk of shit governor was finally forced to rescind mask mandates. I've been to multiple indoor locations in the past week without masks and it was glorious. Here's several illustrations of just how easily-led people have been over this rather than thinking for themselves: During those past summer, my daughter's rec league lacrosse season was cancelled. Her club team season was abbreviated. Parents were forced to sit at least six feet apart from each other and wear masks. Outdoors. In sunshine. When the girls were riding in the same car to and from tournaments each week. After having spent the night at each other's homes having sleepovers. My son's football fundraiser skit practice a month or so ago was most of the team in close proximity (arm-in-arm) for two hours with some of them choosing to not wear masks. One kid the next morning had symptoms and tested positive. Not one other kid (including those who were right next to him) developed symptoms. Other interesting tidbits: *Everyone* will test positive for covid using PCR when the cycle time is 60. Because PCR is a manufacturing tool - it'll multiply a single molecule. Regardless of whether it is live virus or viral debris. When labs started reducing cycle times from as high as 40 down to the mid-20s, suddenly all those poor schlubs who had no symptoms but tested positive were no longer testing positive. It was never about trying to prevent people from getting really really sick from covid since the vast majority get the sniffles at the worst. It was always about forcing a specific gloom-and-doom narrative as every PCR positive case was breathlessly announced by the media. When a measly 6% of covid deaths were due to covid and the other 94% were people with 2+ comorbidities to such an extent that those conorbidities were already in the process of killing them, it was never about the science. What part of the English language don't you get? In that email he says that they do work. They work to prevent a sick person from spreading the droplets out. It's not normal breathing that does the vast majority of virus spreading. It's the laughing, singing, sneezing and coughing, which propel the droplets out. That's why masks drop infection rates by an average of 70% when worn by the infected. It's the part of the English language where Fauxi states: "The typical mask you buy in the drug store is not really effective in keeping out virus, which is small enough to pass through the material." If you can't understand that a healthy person wearing a mask that won't prevent them from being exposed to a virus - with the intent to prevent them from being exposed to a virus - is the very definition of health theatre/insanity, I can't help you.
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Post by Sadras on Jun 4, 2021 13:45:11 GMT
It's the part of the English language where Fauxi states: "The typical mask you buy in the drug store is not really effective in keeping out virus, which is small enough to pass through the material." If you can't understand that a healthy person wearing a mask that won't prevent them from being exposed to a virus - with the intent to prevent them from being exposed to a virus - is the very definition of health theatre/insanity, I can't help you. Pretty much this.
It does sound from this thread, but particularly from the Enworld thread regarding the pandemic, that most people seem misinformed but more importantly not-knowing about prophylactics and treatments that actually exist and all they care about are these experimental vaccines which has been the ultimate goal of this entire campaign of deception.
It is as if they haven't been doing a year+ of research on the various microbiologists, virologists, epidemiologists and other medical practitioners who have, at great cost to themselves, been speaking out about all of this, instead they have been eagerly swallowing the jizz leaked out by the MSM, WHO and Gates like its Circa 1999, and they're the main attraction at a party on the isle of Little Saint James.
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Post by Maxperson on Jun 4, 2021 14:28:47 GMT
What part of the English language don't you get? In that email he says that they do work. They work to prevent a sick person from spreading the droplets out. It's not normal breathing that does the vast majority of virus spreading. It's the laughing, singing, sneezing and coughing, which propel the droplets out. That's why masks drop infection rates by an average of 70% when worn by the infected. It's the part of the English language where Fauxi states: "The typical mask you buy in the drug store is not really effective in keeping out virus, which is small enough to pass through the material." If you can't understand that a healthy person wearing a mask that won't prevent them from being exposed to a virus - with the intent to prevent them from being exposed to a virus - is the very definition of health theatre/insanity, I can't help you. Yep. Once out and floating in the air, it doesn't help. The 70% that is caught in the droplets that don't pass through the mask, though, drop the infection rate by 70%(shown by multiple studies in multiple countries) when infected people wear the masks. Cherry picking shit like that in an effort to look stupid is working for you.
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Post by 3catcircus on Jun 4, 2021 15:18:31 GMT
It's the part of the English language where Fauxi states: "The typical mask you buy in the drug store is not really effective in keeping out virus, which is small enough to pass through the material." If you can't understand that a healthy person wearing a mask that won't prevent them from being exposed to a virus - with the intent to prevent them from being exposed to a virus - is the very definition of health theatre/insanity, I can't help you. Yep. Once out and floating in the air, it doesn't help. The 70% that is caught in the droplets that don't pass through the mask, though, drop the infection rate by 70%(shown by multiple studies in multiple countries) when infected people wear the masks. Cherry picking shit like that in an effort to look stupid is working for you. Those studies don't claim what you think they claim. I've looked at the actual double-blind peer-reviewed studies over the past 70+ years - they *all* show no difference when worn outside a clinical setting by people not trained in PPE use. Those drug store masks prevent large droplets from falling into a sterile surgical field. That's it. They don't prevent aerosolization of exhalate. A recent study stated: "Importantly, medical masks (surgical masks and even N95 masks) were not able to completely block the transmission of virus droplets/aerosols even when completely sealed." If an infected person is wearing a well fitted mask and is trained in it's use, it's fairly effective at preventing transmission - as shown by healthcare workers in clinical settings. Unfortunately, the general public is neither wearing well fitted masks, nor trained in the use of them as PPE.
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Post by 3catcircus on Jun 4, 2021 15:24:45 GMT
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