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Post by evileeyore on Oct 2, 2020 1:51:57 GMT
Oh, many of the progressive Democrats want to, but it's not happening because the moderate weenies in the Democrat party are just as owned by the fucking lobbyists as the vast majority of the Republicans are. I like how your partisan hackery relegates to the "moderate weenies" in the Dems, but it's the "vast majority" of the Reps (and you even point out what group in the Dems you think are against lobbyists, but refuse to admit that any Repubs also hate lobbyists). It's the vast majority of both parties that are corrupt and keep accepting lobbyist money. |
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Post by cyphersmith on Oct 2, 2020 15:26:52 GMT
Oh, many of the progressive Democrats want to, but it's not happening because the moderate weenies in the Democrat party are just as owned by the fucking lobbyists as the vast majority of the Republicans are. I like how your partisan hackery relegates to the "moderate weenies" in the Dems, but it's the "vast majority" of the Reps (and you even point out what group in the Dems you think are against lobbyists, but refuse to admit that any Repubs also hate lobbyists). It's the vast majority of both parties that are corrupt and keep accepting lobbyist money. Yes, the moderate weenies are the vast majority of the Democrats, and there are Republicans who are against lobbyists. See, I agree with you on this. |
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Post by 3catcircus on Oct 2, 2020 16:12:08 GMT
I like how your partisan hackery relegates to the "moderate weenies" in the Dems, but it's the "vast majority" of the Reps (and you even point out what group in the Dems you think are against lobbyists, but refuse to admit that any Repubs also hate lobbyists). It's the vast majority of both parties that are corrupt and keep accepting lobbyist money. Yes, the moderate weenies are the vast majority of the Democrats, and there are Republicans who are against lobbyists. See, I agree with you on this. The problem is that *all* of Congress is in bed with lobbyists. We need term limits for Congress. |
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Post by kirinke on Oct 2, 2020 16:41:06 GMT
Hey, we actually agree on something. The world is ending!
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Post by Devoid on Oct 2, 2020 17:15:21 GMT
We need term limits for Congress. How many terms/years do you propose for the House of Representatives and the Senate? |
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Post by kirinke on Oct 2, 2020 17:42:47 GMT
Same as the president would do. 2 terms, no more than ten years total (for those who get special elections)
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Post by 3catcircus on Oct 2, 2020 17:53:15 GMT
We need term limits for Congress. How many terms/years do you propose for the House of Representatives and the Senate? Two terms. Eight years total, regardless of house or senate. Right now in the house, they spend all their time getting ready to run next term's campaign. Eight years is enough time to become proficient at government without being "institutionalized." We've got people who've spent decades in office and have achieved nothing significant for their constituents. They've taken plenty of legal bribes from lobbyists and give on plenty of fact finding boondoggles, but nothing for their constituents. |
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Post by Maxperson on Oct 4, 2020 8:26:23 GMT
Trump prevented Biden from delivering a message, while Trump is the message. Good strategy for Trump, but is there anyone left to convince? Biden has no message. The Green New Deal co- authored by Kneelin' Kamala now he no longer supports? Unable to identify a single LEO that endorses him? No answers for why his ne'er-do-well son is handed buckets of cash from countries that want to undermine the US. Unwilling to declare his leftist antifa supporters the rioters that they are. Wanting to take away the US's energy independence. Coming out and saying he'll tax the shit out of everyone. No comment on why he's done nothing in his 47 years in public office except sell out the US to line his own pockets. Unable to distinguish between absentee ballots specifically requested by the voter and unsolicited mail in ballots (guarantee all those sent to nursing homes will be filled out by "helpers" as Dem votes). It didn't help either candidate that Wallace can't ask questions succinctly. Debate in a nutshell: 1. Biden starts to ramble, gets saved by Wallace, never actually answers a question. 2. Trump starts to destroy Biden, Wallace interrupts, resulting in Trump having to debate 2 people at the same time. Biden didn't answer a single question. Wallace interrupted Biden 15 times vs 76 times he interrupted Trump. Fact checkers pretty much confirmed the majority of Trump's statements to, in fact, be true. Leftists and MSM are already calling for there to be no more debates. I so want the next debate to be moderated by Rogan... Wow. There's some hefty delusion there. First, Biden didn't come up with the Green New Deal. It isn't his message, which is something very different. Kamala, if she co-authored it, is not relevant to that. You can pick a VP and not agree with them on everything. Second, Wallace interrupted Trump that much more often, because Biden played by the rules that much more often. If Trump wasn't such a fuckwad, he wouldn't have been interrupted by Wallace as often. All it takes is Trump being a decent human being and letting his opponent speak to avoid interruption. Third, Biden tried to answer a few times, which is shameful, but not as Shameful as Trump's 0 times. Trump derailed Biden's few responses due to being the afore mentioned fuckwad, though. Fourth, Trump wasn't even on his game. He was quite frankly not only a fuckwad, but pretty shitty at his fuckwadery. He displayed none of his "brilliance" at it that he showed in 2016. Because he didn't do it with his usual flair, he just came off looking bad. He was at least somewhat amusing in 2016. Biden won that debate in the same way that a ship sinking in 100 feet of water beats the ship sinking in 1000 feet of water. Technically it's a win, but... |
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Post by Devoid on Oct 8, 2020 1:29:08 GMT
How many terms/years do you propose for the House of Representatives and the Senate? Two terms. Eight years total, regardless of house or senate. Right now in the house, they spend all their time getting ready to run next term's campaign. Eight years is enough time to become proficient at government without being "institutionalized." We've got people who've spent decades in office and have achieved nothing significant for their constituents. They've taken plenty of legal bribes from lobbyists and give on plenty of fact finding boondoggles, but nothing for their constituents. Just to confirm, you want Representative terms to be extended from 2-year terms to 4-year terms and Senate terms to be reduced from 6-year terms to 4-year terms? Should the terms be staggered (like the Senate does with roughly 1/3 every two years)? If not staggered, should their elections coincide with the presidential election? Should campaign windows be reduced and strictly enforced? Is it possible to avoid loophole 'grey' areas? Would it improve if we could magically reduce the amount of money spent in campaigns? In principle, I would like a ban legislators from ever becoming lobbyists. Unfortunately many would simply not register as such while playing the role of political consultant (shadow lobbyist). Very few have been criminally charged or even fined. The ones who are fined just consider it a business risk worth taking. What does 'institutionalized' mean to you? Yes, many legislators spend decades in office. But who are their constituents? Are they the ones who voted the legislators into office, or do they the represent the general population? With varying (and frequently conflicting) viewpoints held on numerous issues considered among the general populace, how can one achieve much of anything to satisfy those they represent? What do you mean 'give on plenty of fact finding boondoggles'? Fact-finding itself is important. Sometimes statements are found unsupported and proven false while others are verified as valid with supporting evidence. Many times such claims require context and can be considered misleading. |
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Post by 3catcircus on Oct 8, 2020 11:11:26 GMT
Two terms. Eight years total, regardless of house or senate. Right now in the house, they spend all their time getting ready to run next term's campaign. Eight years is enough time to become proficient at government without being "institutionalized." We've got people who've spent decades in office and have achieved nothing significant for their constituents. They've taken plenty of legal bribes from lobbyists and give on plenty of fact finding boondoggles, but nothing for their constituents. Just to confirm, you want Representative terms to be extended from 2-year terms to 4-year terms and Senate terms to be reduced from 6-year terms to 4-year terms? Should the terms be staggered (like the Senate does with roughly 1/3 every two years)? If not staggered, should their elections coincide with the presidential election? Should campaign windows be reduced and strictly enforced? Is it possible to avoid loophole 'grey' areas? Would it improve if we could magically reduce the amount of money spent in campaigns? In principle, I would like a ban legislators from ever becoming lobbyists. Unfortunately many would simply not register as such while playing the role of political consultant (shadow lobbyist). Very few have been criminally charged or even fined. The ones who are fined just consider it a business risk worth taking. What does 'institutionalized' mean to you? Yes, many legislators spend decades in office. But who are their constituents? Are they the ones who voted the legislators into office, or do they the represent the general population? With varying (and frequently conflicting) viewpoints held on numerous issues considered among the general populace, how can one achieve much of anything to satisfy those they represent? What do you mean 'give on plenty of fact finding boondoggles'? Fact-finding itself is important. Sometimes statements are found unsupported and proven false while others are verified as valid with supporting evidence. Many times such claims require context and can be considered misleading. Four years per term. No staggering terms. No grey money. No corporate contributions. No serving 2 terms in the house and then 2 terms in Senate. As to fact-finding - there has never been any situation that required a senator or congressman to fly 1000s of miles away to find out what they already know from their advance team or local personnel. As to who they serve - those in office for decades serve special interests in a revolving door of government "service" and lobbying - the guy who was your staffer last year is now a lobbyist this year. That needs to stop. We need to get back to the original intent of them coming a few times a year to do government and then go back home to their regular jobs. |
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Post by kirinke on Oct 8, 2020 12:47:59 GMT
Actually, I kinda agree with 3cat on this stance. Heaven forbid (and don't get used to it  ). Congress has way too much power and that coincides with the fact that they do not have any limit on how much they can run for office both time and money wise. None. There needs to be a cap. 2 terms four years each is reasonable. I mean, it's good enough for the president. It should be good enough for them. |
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Post by Maxperson on Oct 9, 2020 7:03:57 GMT
It must be 2020. The three of us have agreed on something.
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Post by kirinke on Oct 9, 2020 9:00:42 GMT
 Shh... The Lizard men and the Illumanti might be listening.The left, right and center can not be seen to agree on anything. Especially term and money caps! They will come and re-educate us!
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Post by kirinke on Oct 10, 2020 15:26:57 GMT
Well president tiny hands has nixed the idea of a virtual debate, so instead he's going to infect thousands with his stupid rallies.
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Post by evileeyore on Oct 10, 2020 16:56:13 GMT
Well president tiny hands has nixed the idea of a virtual debate, so instead he's going to infect thousands with his stupid rallies. Grown ass adults making grown ass decisions. |
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). Congress has way too much power and that coincides with the fact that they do not have any limit on how much they can run for office both time and money wise. None. There needs to be a cap. 2 terms four years each is reasonable. I mean, it's good enough for the president. It should be good enough for them.
Shh... The Lizard men and the Illumanti might be listening.The left, right and center can not be seen to agree on anything. Especially term and money caps! They will come and re-educate us!