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Post by kirinke on Jan 10, 2021 13:04:12 GMT
Trump was supposed to divest from his businesses so he wouldn't run into those problems. Don't make excuses.
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Post by 3catcircus on Jan 10, 2021 14:25:32 GMT
While technically murder because the officer died, and a tragedy that it happened at all (especially since it appears the officer was a Trump supporter), being hit in the head and subsequently going back to his office with a headache is what actually happened. Which is the same thing that happened to Liam Neeson's wife - anyone with any common sense knows that if you've suffered a head injury, get your ass to an ER and get a CT scan. I don't hear leftists calling for antifa and BLM to be brought to justice after killing David Dorn, Patrick Underwood, 8-yr old Secoriea Taylor, Jessica Whitaker, or Aaron Danielson. I don't hear them calling for justice for the dozens of acts of violence perpetrated by antifa on police officers all year long. I might be mistaken, but isn't U.S. Air Force Sergeant Steven Carrillo charged for the murder of David Patrick Underwood [1]. If this the case, I thought he was linked to the Boogaloo movement via text with another individual (Ivan Harrison Hunter) linked to the movement as well [2][3]. There seems to be a not insignificant number of law enforcement deaths / precinct attacks attributed to followers of the movement. 1 www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-06-16/suspects-charged-killing-santa-cruz-cop-and-oakland-federal-officer2 www.justice.gov/usao-mn/press-release/file/1330776/download3 www.startribune.com/charges-boogaloo-bois-fired-on-mpls-precinct-shouted-justice-for-floyd/572843802/Had antifa/BLM riots not occurred in those locations, the opportunity for a boogaloo nutter would not have presented itself. More importantly, it doesn't address the *many* other instances of violence that *continue* night after night. Andy Ngo does a very good job of reporting on antifa - and almost in every case they, if arrested, have the charges dropped. Lawlessness breeds upon itself. The fact that Ted Wheeler was punched in the face by an antifa thug this past week and *nothing* happened to that person speaks volumes of the left in that they'll eat their own because they're looking for something to be offended about. That Portland voted this moron back into office this election cycle tells me that Portland deserves their continued misery.
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Post by kirinke on Jan 10, 2021 14:32:38 GMT
None of that was spurred on by the President of the United States. That's the difference.
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Post by 3catcircus on Jan 10, 2021 14:33:16 GMT
Trump was supposed to divest from his businesses so he wouldn't run into those problems. Don't make excuses. Supposed to? Because why? There is no requirement for any president to do so. The fact is that his name is most of his business value - divestiture is not reasonable. Would you ask Michael Jordan to do the same if he were to run for office? He stepped away from day to day operations and the business engaged in no foreign business, which is more than sufficient. More importantly, all profits have been donated to the US Treasury (along with his salary). I haven't seen Pelosi or Biden donate their government paycheck in decades...
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Post by kirinke on Jan 10, 2021 14:50:56 GMT
There is the Emoluments law and the Use of Name Law to name a few. The entire thing is to prevent corruption and influence. I would also expect Michael Jordan or anyone running for president to divest from their businesses. It is reasonable price to pay for being among the most powerful people in the world. Nice try at strawman equivalency, but you fail. You can't have your cake and eat it too, without consequences and we've seen in black and white what those consequences when a president doesn't follow the rules. We get a Trump.
He didn't "step away" from his businesses. Just one more lie. The kids were just props. He still ran the show, nobody is fooled by that. When millions are funneled into his businesses and golf courses by those currying favor and from his own Secret Service, the salary is nothing.
And if you think a coupla hundred of thousand dollars is sufficient for all the millions he's getting, then you're insane. It's just another game of smoke and mirrors.
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Post by 3catcircus on Jan 10, 2021 15:07:05 GMT
There is the Emoluments law and the Use of Name Law to name a few. The entire thing is to prevent corruption and influence. I would also expect Michael Jordan or anyone running for president to divest from their businesses. It is reasonable price to pay for being among the most powerful people in the world. Nice try at strawman equivalency, but you fail. You can't have your cake and eat it too, without consequences and we've seen in black and white what those consequences when a president doesn't follow the rules. We get a Trump.
He didn't "step away" from his businesses. Just one more lie. The kids were just props. He still ran the show, nobody is fooled by that. When millions are funneled into his businesses and golf courses by those currying favor and from his own Secret Service, the salary is nothing.
And if you think a coupla hundred of thousand dollars is sufficient for all the millions he's getting, then you're insane. It's just another game of smoke and mirrors.
What part of "there is no requirement" don't you understand? *No* president has ever been required to divest their businesses. If you want a new law or amendment, fine. But it must also include congress and the supreme court - they *all* must divest. No blind trust - full and complete divestiture for all of them.
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Post by kirinke on Jan 10, 2021 15:29:32 GMT
Hey, I have no problem with including all of congress and the supreme court to divest from their businesses. I'd also add another law preventing them from giving themselves raises every year. It'd solve alot of problems.
I just named two laws that tells a president to divest from his businesses. The fact that Trump didn't is a failure to act on Congress' part.
Fucking spineless, greedy dick weasels they are.
Hopefully this lesson will spur them to create some laws explicitly preventing a sitting president from profiting from their businesses.
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Post by 3catcircus on Jan 10, 2021 15:46:07 GMT
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Post by kirinke on Jan 10, 2021 15:50:48 GMT
A cop still died from the riots. No excuses please.
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Post by 3catcircus on Jan 10, 2021 15:54:06 GMT
Hey, I have no problem with including all of congress and the supreme court to divest from their businesses. I'd also add another law preventing them from giving themselves raises every year. It'd solve alot of problems.
I just named two laws that tells a president to divest from his businesses. The fact that Trump didn't is a failure to act on Congress' part.
Fucking spineless, greedy dick weasels they are.
Hopefully this lesson will spur them to create some laws explicitly preventing a sitting president from profiting from their businesses.
Neither of those laws does any such thing. The Emoluments clause says officials can't accept gifts from foreigners without permission from congress. And it only explicitly does so for appointed officials, not elected ones. Use of name law? I assume you mean the one that says no one can trademark a living president's name without their permission or the permission of their widow.
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Post by 3catcircus on Jan 10, 2021 16:01:34 GMT
None of that was spurred on by the President of the United States. That's the difference. True - Biden and Harris spurred this on as sitting Senators and presidential candidates. Tells you all you need to know about people who voted for someone who encourages violence on law enforcement and other citizens. Trump didn't spur on the crowd in DC - I've seen his speech. "Peacefully and patriotically" can only be misconstrued by those being disengenuous.
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Post by evileeyore on Jan 10, 2021 16:55:11 GMT
So... how about that attempted military coup by Pelosi? Anyone? Anyone besides me and 3cat? No... okay I geuss it really is okay when a Lefty attempts insurrection...
(quoted the whole paywall article for your convenience, because fuck it, if I'm slipping past the paywall, so should you)
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Post by 3catcircus on Jan 10, 2021 17:06:08 GMT
The cognitive dissonance by the lefties is going to be delicious... So... how about that attempted military coup by Pelosi? Anyone? Anyone besides me and 3cat? No... okay I geuss it really is okay when a Lefty attempts insurrection... (quoted the whole paywall article for your convenience, because fuck it, if I'm slipping past the paywall, so should you)
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Post by Maxperson on Jan 10, 2021 17:20:00 GMT
None of that was spurred on by the President of the United States. That's the difference. True - Biden and Harris spurred this on as sitting Senators and presidential candidates. Tells you all you need to know about people who voted for someone who encourages violence on law enforcement and other citizens. Trump didn't spur on the crowd in DC - I've seen his speech. "Peacefully and patriotically" can only be misconstrued by those being disengenuous. He told them to go down their and show their strength and take back the country. A lot of them were angry and believed Trump's lies about the election being stolen and massive amounts of voter fraud. Only a moron(and apparently you are one) would believe that telling a crowd in that mental state to go to the capitol building, show strength and take back the country would result in anything other than what happened. I heard the speech and I think Trump really believed that they would just chant and yell, but reckless and negligent speech still makes Trump the initiator of the attack against America.
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Post by kirinke on Jan 10, 2021 17:35:22 GMT
Considering how erratic his behavior is, being concerned about him being able to launch nuclear strikes is prudent. I'm pretty concerned about that as well.
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