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Post by libtard on May 27, 2022 17:00:35 GMT
After the Dunblane massacre in Scotland, the UK changed its gun laws. There hasn't been a upsurge in multiple knife-murders on schoolchildren.
After the Port Arthur attack, Australia changed its gun laws. There hasn't been an increase in motor-vehicle multiple homicides.
After the Christchurch attack, New Zealand moved quickly to tighten its gun laws. I haven't noticed any claw-hammer multiple homicides since.
Why do you think that is?
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Post by kirinke on May 27, 2022 23:41:31 GMT
Simple answer. Those tools don't produce the fear and attention that an automatic rifle does. It's also much easier to stop a dude and they're almost always men, with a claw hammer, car or knife than it is when they're spraying bullets everywhere. Even crazy motherfuckers know that.
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Post by evileeyore on May 28, 2022 1:27:25 GMT
I agree wrt crimes committed under the influence. The problem with drugs is that those charges have lead to the problem that 3cat is complaining about. There's a direct link between the beginning of mass incarceration and drug laws. And because we simply don't forgive people who have been in prison, it becomes hard for people to stay out of jail after one conviction. Because it's hard for them to get a job doing anything but shit work (3cat likely doesn't see a problem with this) that doesn't pay enough. And being a convicted felon makes getting any assistance more difficult (another thing I doubt 3cat minds). Which makes committing crimes much more likely. Yes. It is a tragic problem which needs attention. I'd rather see more programs aimed at training and education, job works projects to aimed at those who need a second chance... And you know what, something that's been circling my brain for a while, I can even see adjusting the criminal codes to create harsher fines and penalties the more wealth you have. It's not a punishment if the rich asshole who get's a DUI can just pay the fine and skate while the under class schlob has to chose between paying rent or paying the courts. My point is in taking measures to prevent the disintegration of families in particular - in which I, perhaps surprisingly - agree with 3catcircus to some degree. And I'm thinking particularly of drugs which are addictive to the point of disrupting lives, not the recreational use of pot; a different set of arguments pertain to mariijuana. Agreed. Agreed. Like I said, I'm even of (just under) half the mind to go "fuck it, decriminalize production, let Big Pharma go fuck itself attempting to DRM drug kingpins". Almost. Big Pharma has pissed me off so much I'm almost ready to drop that onto my platform and call it a day... Can you fucking imagine hitting your street corner dealer for your weed and insulin? Back pain? Your local "clinician" will sort your shit without the high cost of prescriptions... Yeah, I'm almost that pissed off.
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Post by libtard on May 28, 2022 5:33:48 GMT
Cue Finland and Day FinesI personally look forward to the day when Jeff Bezos has to pay $1bn for a traffic violation. The Finns really are very sensible.Their system has been in place for 100 years; a few years ago a business exec was fined something like $100,000 for speeding.
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Post by kirinke on May 28, 2022 12:17:05 GMT
And the added fun of dodging the cops while doing it.
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Post by cyphersmith on May 31, 2022 16:09:02 GMT
And the added fun of dodging the cops while doing it. His hypothetical here is having those things legalized, so no, you wouldn't be dodging the cops.
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Post by kirinke on May 31, 2022 16:34:10 GMT
Pipe-dreams...
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Post by cyphersmith on May 31, 2022 18:27:14 GMT
Not really. Small quantities of pretty much everything are now decriminalized in Oregon. That movement could well spread.
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Post by kirinke on May 31, 2022 22:24:05 GMT
Oregon is a bit on the liberal side though. I don't see it happening in the bible belt anytime soon.
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Post by cyphersmith on May 31, 2022 23:34:03 GMT
Oregon is a bit on the liberal side though. I don't see it happening in the bible belt anytime soon. You've never been in the rural areas of Oregon. Oregon is one of the whitest states in the country. We had racism written into our state constitution until 2002. Many cities were sundown cities until the last 30 or so years. In many ways, Oregon was a sundown state a century ago. About 3% of the population is Black. They are outnumbered by our native American population, Asian population, and Hispanic population. And that's a serious increase in the Black population, since as late as 1960 it was less than 1%. And Portland is still the whitest large city in the country. Of course, this is NOT a good thing, just letting you know that Oregon is really only liberal along I-5 from Eugene to Portland. And even there it's not that liberal except in Eugene and Portland. It's just that there's a whole LOT of people in those two cities and their surrounding areas. Shoot, 4 of our 6 congressional districts basically cover that area (and all of them contain parts of the Portland metro area).
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Post by kirinke on Jun 2, 2022 0:00:08 GMT
I stand educated. However, it's still a bit liberal compared to say Georgia.
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Post by evileeyore on Jun 2, 2022 13:40:17 GMT
Oregon is one of the whitest states in the country. What does that have to do with whether or not Oregon (the two largest cities anyway) is liberal? Why is this not a "good thing". Or rather, why do you think it's bad that it's predominately white?
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Post by libtard on Jun 8, 2022 5:42:50 GMT
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Post by kirinke on Jun 9, 2022 12:47:46 GMT
Are you that uncomfortable in your own skin to ask that question honestly? Portland has some very, very dark history with racism in general.
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Post by cyphersmith on Jun 9, 2022 15:20:30 GMT
Oregon is one of the whitest states in the country. What does that have to do with whether or not Oregon (the two largest cities anyway) is liberal? Because Oregon is historically racist as fuck, and honestly is still very much so in the more rural areas. There are still places that may as well be sundown towns. This doesn't lead necessarily to conservatism, but the rural areas ARE conservative, just like most rural areas. You can tell that at least in part by taking a look at the Federal district map that was just created. It was gerrymandered to hell and back. We now have 6 congressional districts, and 4 of them reach into the Portland Metro area. One covers most of the Eugene area, leaving the rest of the state in the remaining district. Making 4 pretty solid blue districts, one darker blue/purple district, and one red district. Because a lack of exposure to difference leads to mistrust. Making Portland still pretty racist despite its history and, to be honest, despite its liberalism. Mostly because it's not really conscious racism.
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