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Post by kirinke on Jun 9, 2022 22:30:59 GMT
The worst evil is the evil that goes unchallenged and it self perpetuates.
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Post by evileeyore on Jun 10, 2022 14:32:51 GMT
Are you that uncomfortable in your own skin to ask that question honestly? Your question makes no sense, I suspect you left a subject/predicate out somewhere (or just phrased it badly, to ask the question honestly, that is without a dishonest intent, one would have to be comfortable in their understanding and knowledge of their lack of understanding and knowledge, as unless you are ascribing maliscious intent, that was a resquest for information.). For this question, I'm perfectly comfortable, as I'm not a racist. I had no prior understanding of the history of Portland (in specifics) and no desire to look up why a predominately liberal city would have problems with racism in this day and age which is what cyph was hinting at, further I couldn't tell if cyph was just engaging in the very Progressive way of 'hating on whitey' for the original sin of being white or if they had an actual good reason. And? Everywhere USA has some very, very dark history with racism. So? This country was founded largely on genocide of the other, as all countries have been. Where we come from matters far, far, far less that what we are doing now and where we are trying to go. It's the racists† who are running around stirring a pot that had gone cold and still in an attempt to keep the lower and middle class fighting amongst itself. But just because Central Florida was founded on it, steeped in, and marinated in it, doesn't mean Central Florida is still racist as fuck. It isn't, it's a fairly decent melting pot and would be even better now than it was 20 years ago if the Progressives weren't trying to ignite the Race Wars over Classist reasons. † To be honest, I don't know that they're racist, it's not racist to pit different ethnicities against one another for classist reasons, unless the end goal is elimination of a particular ethnicity (and no, I don;t think the Global Corpos are trying to 'replace whitey', it's not a goal of theirs as many of them are actually white. Just reduce the percentages a bit). So to call the rich and powerful elites 'racist' is engaging in ad hominem, but I suspect everyone but you kirinke understand the direction I'm aiming that barb. Making 4 pretty solid blue districts, one darker blue/purple district, and one red district. Ah yes, one Red district out of 5, that does sound predominately conservative... you nutter (I get it, that one district covers three quarters of the state, but that isn't three quarters of the population, nor is it three quarters of the congressional districts, what it does do is keep two large cities from turning the entire state blue) . Ah, you did have a good reason. I stand corrected. Ah, ye olde 'unconscious racism' and of course the more someone claims to not be racist the more proof they are, right? Don't get me wrong Liberalism (the political movement, not actual liberalism) is pretty damn racist (has been for a long time, Progressivism is even more so) but I don't think it's really unconscious, pretty sure it's deliberate, even it's just the chauvinism of the elite. I'd say it's a full bowl of "The White Man's Burden" if you understand that I'm replacing 'white' with 'powerful' and 'man's' with 'person's' as that's really how it works these days.
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Post by cyphersmith on Jun 10, 2022 18:01:11 GMT
Making 4 pretty solid blue districts, one darker blue/purple district, and one red district. Ah yes, one Red district out of 5, that does sound predominately conservative... you nutter (I get it, that one district covers three quarters of the state, but that isn't three quarters of the population, nor is it three quarters of the congressional districts, what it does do is keep two large cities from turning the entire state blue) . Out of 6, not 5, one is purple and one is red, the rest ALL come into the Portland metro area so that the Democrats there will outnumber the Republicans. The state map is gerrymandered the same way, to be honest. By land area, yes. What I'm talking about is actually true for most blue states. They vote blue nationally, but significant portions of the state are extremely conservative. Yeah, I get that. But lack of exposure to difference does lead to racism. Not sure what you mean by Progressivism being more racist than Liberalism. Most of what I see called Progressivism is intended to give everyone as close to the same starting point as possible and to give everyone a social safety net. The first through college/trade schools for free, low-cost housing for those in need of it, accessible food and taxes paying for healthcare. The second through welfare. I admit that the neoliberals broke welfare and are seriously fighting the rest. Welfare is broke because there's a cliff between where it gets cut and where a person makes an equivalent amount to what they were receiving on welfare. Giving people no incentive to get off of welfare without getting paid an amount that high. But many people who are on welfare can't go from unemployed to having such a job, for whatever reason. Most Progressives are against things that disproportionately damage poor people, such as cash bail, and the lack of forgiveness we as a society seem to have to people who have committed crimes. That latter leads to recidivism, because they simply don't have much choice. The people who make it out of that circumstance are the exception, not the norm.
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Post by kirinke on Jun 10, 2022 18:44:04 GMT
The problem is that pot has never, ever gone cold, not really. At best, it simmers. I mean, hell, we had what amounts to race riots back in 2020 spurred on by police brutality. So yeah, don't try to white-wash it and pretend it's not there.
You're not being honest with yourself.
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Post by evileeyore on Jun 11, 2022 5:01:18 GMT
Yeah, I get that. But lack of exposure to difference does lead to racism. Not sure what you mean by Progressivism being more racist than Liberalism. Capital 'P' Progressivism, the political slacktivism that claims "all whites have the Original Sin of being born white" and that "blacks can't be racist". It no longer makes the bold claims that "all men are rapist misogynists" anymore, what with the hammering that #metoo has taken for having embraced those views, but that's because the Progressive activists are fast to shift with the currents of activism money.
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Post by kirinke on Jun 11, 2022 17:29:35 GMT
No, that's not what progressism is dear. That's fear mongering from the right.
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Post by cyphersmith on Jun 13, 2022 16:28:12 GMT
Yeah, I get that. But lack of exposure to difference does lead to racism. Not sure what you mean by Progressivism being more racist than Liberalism. Capital 'P' Progressivism, the political slacktivism that claims "all whites have the Original Sin of being born white" and that "blacks can't be racist". It no longer makes the bold claims that "all men are rapist misogynists" anymore, what with the hammering that #metoo has taken for having embraced those views, but that's because the Progressive activists are fast to shift with the currents of activism money. I don't see that as something progressives did. And I really think that you're exaggerating regarding all three of those things. I do know that many believe (myself included) that this country was built on racism, which in many ways is true. That many of our laws in the past and currently exist to keep minorities down in general. And it's certainly NOT gone. I also know that many believe that the definition of racism includes power, so if you don't have power over someone you can't be racist. Bigoted, yes. Racist, no. And to be honest, many men are misogynist assholes. But it's not all men, just like not all white people are racist.
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Post by evileeyore on Jun 15, 2022 4:51:29 GMT
I don't see that as something progressives did. Capital "P" Progressivism. Just like Liberals are a political agenda/platform and arent' at all about liberalism, and Conservatives aren't about conservatism. Capital "P" Progressives are the ones who created/co-opted BLM into being about making them money, not about fighting for the betterment of blacks in regards to police brutality. They're the ones who co-opted #metoo into being an anti-male hate mob, rather than being about supporting anyone calling out rapists in power (in reference see how #metoo treated Biden's accuser and Johnny Depp). Progressives labeled Kyle Rittenhouse "racist" because... he's white. No other good reason, many actually tried to claim he went there to shoot black people, and completely ignore that he shot three white guys who were attacking him (I've even seen Progressives and the Progressive Press claim he shot PoCs... which is... yeah, "Progressives"). I'm not. It's a huge movement online, not so much offline, but The Squad is big about trying to weaponize Progressives (which works online, not so much in real life). Which is a false definition. It's been changed specifically so "blacks can't be racist" can be a thing. Which is bullshit even under that definition. Ah yes, #notallmen. How very Progressive of you.
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Post by Maxperson on Jun 23, 2022 14:20:12 GMT
Is *anyone* surprised that the recent shooter is cut from the same cloth as Parkland and Sandy Hook, or that the school resource officer apparently did nothing to stop him? Drug addict mother. Absentee father. Known to the police from prior domestic incidents. Wrote about his plan online hours beforehand. At the very least, that school resource officer needs to be fired and whoever saw his online post and did not alert the law needs to be charged. How fucking hard is it to look up the local Uvalde PD and call them right away? It's almost as fucked up as 19 good guys with guns just standing around for half an hour while one bad guy with a gun murders children.
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Post by cyphersmith on Jun 23, 2022 18:06:28 GMT
Is *anyone* surprised that the recent shooter is cut from the same cloth as Parkland and Sandy Hook, or that the school resource officer apparently did nothing to stop him? Drug addict mother. Absentee father. Known to the police from prior domestic incidents. Wrote about his plan online hours beforehand. At the very least, that school resource officer needs to be fired and whoever saw his online post and did not alert the law needs to be charged. How fucking hard is it to look up the local Uvalde PD and call them right away? It's almost as fucked up as 19 good guys with guns just standing around for half an hour while one bad guy with a gun murders children. Seems more like most of an hour now. They had the equipment they needed to enter within 15 minutes. I'm even seeing articles saying that say they could have entered the building by 3 minutes after the gunman did.
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Post by Maxperson on Jun 24, 2022 6:32:30 GMT
It's almost as fucked up as 19 good guys with guns just standing around for half an hour while one bad guy with a gun murders children. Seems more like most of an hour now. They had the equipment they needed to enter within 15 minutes. I'm even seeing articles saying that say they could have entered the building by 3 minutes after the gunman did. Yeah. They had a tool to open a locked door(not that it was locked) and a bullet shield on site very quickly.
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Post by 3catcircus on Jun 24, 2022 18:55:38 GMT
Seems more like most of an hour now. They had the equipment they needed to enter within 15 minutes. I'm even seeing articles saying that say they could have entered the building by 3 minutes after the gunman did. Yeah. They had a tool to open a locked door(not that it was locked) and a bullet shield on site very quickly. The SRO didn't ensure the shooter, and 19 cops chose to obey an unlawful order to stand there with their thumbs up their asses. All need to be fired and whoever told them to not go in needs to be put on trial.
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Post by kirinke on Jun 26, 2022 13:40:27 GMT
The world is coming to an end. I actually agree with 3cat on something.
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