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Post by Maxperson on May 12, 2021 1:17:24 GMT
Here is some scientific proof www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7086482/Frankly, the Lab theory has no legs. You guys believe it simply because Trump does. Honestly, it is another Pizzagate or Jade Helm bullshit conspiracy theory.
Until you give me solid proof otherwise, it's bullshit.
I'll just copy this from the article you oh-so-helpfully posted: The outbreak clearly began epidemiologically at the Wuhan market, and a number of environmental samples from around the live animal section of the market were subsequently found to be positive for SARS-CoV-212, but based on current evidence, it may not have actually emerged in the market. The earliest recognised case of infection with SARS-CoV-2 was an elderly and infirm man who developed symptoms on 1 December 2019. None of his family members became infected, and the source of his virus remains unknown13. Furthermore, 14 of the first 41 cases had no contact with the seafood market13. In another report, five of the first seven cases of COVID-19 had no link to the seafood market14. Thus, it seems very likely that the virus was amplified in the market, but the market might not have been the site of origin nor the only source of the outbreak. A recent phylo-epidemiological study has suggested that the virus was circulating but unrecognised in November, and was imported to the seafood market from elsewhere, where it subsequently was amplified15. The article makes it clear they don't know the source. Your dogmatic adherence to "it has to be natural" is betrayed by your failure to understand the article you linked to. You're not capable of abstract thought. You just aren't. That's ok - the world needs trainables like you. The article also offers no proof whatsoever that it was natural and didn't come from the lab. It simply offers up the opinion. |
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Post by evileeyore on May 12, 2021 6:11:14 GMT
It's fine for me: A Timeline Of The COVID-19 Wuhan Lab Origin Theory Nothing you've posted substantiates your bullshit "the Wuhan Lab Theory was cooked up to make Biden look weak on China", in fact, that clearly shows the theory originated as I said, all the way back in January of 2020. So, next time you read some pure propaganda like that, keep in mind where you're getting from and question that source's motives. Not only was there no evidence put forward by them, the originaotrs of this statement have been shown to have direct financial ties to the Wuhan lab. Opinion. No, what it has consistently shown was a lack of markers showing it was cooked up in a lab using methods of viral gene manipulation that are 20+ years old. Newer methods do not leave markers. Yes, because he has no reason to lie... And that says paragon of non-biased reporting to me... Because you aren't presenting any articles with links to evidence. They are all saying the same things, which are opinions. Opinions that have been back-peddled when pushed on 'what evidence do you have" and it's always "well, the lack of markers", which as pointed out just means if it was made in a lab, they used newer techniques which lack those telltale markers. And you'll note, I haven't once said the "Wuhan Lab Theory" is fact. it's a theory. You're the one dogmatically holding to your faith in Chinese government talking points and decrying a counter-theory is "a conspiracy theory". A conspiracy by whom, to what end? There is no "proof" in there. It's facts, but they prove nothing other than it didn't originate in the wetmarket, cannot be found in the wild, and the virus doesn't have the telltale markers of 20+ year old methods. LOL. This has so much irony in it I'm surprised you aren't constipated. |
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Post by kirinke on May 12, 2021 11:13:27 GMT
And you haven't offered any proof it came from a lab. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. At least I've got cites. What do you have? Conspiracy theories without cites. You're just proclaiming from the roofs that it came from a lab. When it hasn't been proven and you can't provide any real cites, because it's a conspiracy theory.
So, where is the proof boys? Put up or shut up.
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Post by 3catcircus on May 12, 2021 13:53:04 GMT
And you haven't offered any proof it came from a lab. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. At least I've got cites. What do you have? Conspiracy theories without cites. You're just proclaiming from the roofs that it came from a lab. When it hasn't been proven and you can't provide any real cites, because it's a conspiracy theory.
So, where is the proof boys? Put up or shut up.
Firstly, your "cites" are horseshit propaganda or opinion. No proof that you claim you want to see. Claims based upon solid scientific principles require no extraordinary proof. Occam's razor. A virus in bats found 1000 miles away from Wuhan somehow mutates to use spike proteins that are ideally suited to binding in human ACE2 cells in a wet market even though the first known cases occurred outside of said wet market with no trace to having visited the market... A furin cleavage site happens to be there when no other SARS beta coronavirus has a furin cleavage site. That FCS also just happens to use an arginine codon that is least preferred by betacorona viruses when it does appear naturally. Ecohealth Alliance receives funding from NIAID and subcontracts work to Wuhan to do experiments on coronaviruses. Workers work in BSL2 conditions doing work that warrants BSL3 or 4 conditions. Workers or they're families shop at wet market. Wuhan lead scientist on virus studies just decides to scrub her virus database after people start looking into the origins. All of these reasonable questions and yet somehow you decry it as conspiracy. The only reasonable thing that could be conspiracy is covering up the possibility that the US indirectly funded a poorly-managed lab doing gain of function experiments and it got out because someone working in BSL2 conditions infected themselves. That someone working in an unsafe manner infected themselves resulting in a pandemic is a reasonable possibility that requires no conspiracy. That the CHICOMs would try to cover it up requires no conspiracy - it's typical asian behavior to do nothing to rock the boat. |
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Post by Maxperson on May 12, 2021 14:52:01 GMT
And you haven't offered any proof it came from a lab. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. At least I've got cites. What do you have? Conspiracy theories without cites. You're just proclaiming from the roofs that it came from a lab. When it hasn't been proven and you can't provide any real cites, because it's a conspiracy theory.
So, where is the proof boys? Put up or shut up.
First, I've said from the outset that there isn't evidence one way or the other and both theories are very plausible. You're the one who can't accept that an eminently plausible theory isn't some crackpot conspiracy theory. Second, citing stories with no evidence is just as useful as not citing anything. Zero is zero. |
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Post by evileeyore on May 12, 2021 15:20:18 GMT
Oh, yeah... wikipedia... that's... that's not even allowed as a source for high school papers. You do realize wikipedia isn't a credible "source" right? For like, anything? It's a starting point if you have no idea what you're talking about, but it's not a "source" anyone with integrity sites. Like, I can edit wiki articles, I'm a wiki editor. You didn't even check the Talk tab for informational warning flags did you? |
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Post by kirinke on May 13, 2021 0:08:15 GMT
Like the Babylon Bee and Breibart are legit sources?
What else do you want NB? No proof will satisfy you because you've swallowed the kool-aid.
Fine. Believe what you want. Bigfoot and the Lizardmen are real and in control of everything.
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Post by Maxperson on May 13, 2021 0:56:26 GMT
Like the Babylon Bee and Breibart are legit sources?
What else do you want NB? No proof will satisfy you because you've swallowed the kool-aid.
Fine. Believe what you want. Bigfoot and the Lizardmen are real and in control of everything.
You do know that he has never once put the Babylon Bee up as a source, right? I'm not sure about Breitbart, but I do know the former. |
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Post by evileeyore on May 13, 2021 0:59:35 GMT
Like the Babylon Bee and Breibart are legit sources? LOL. You really are pissed aren't you? You know damn well I use the Bee as comedy, as it is intended, and I haven't used Breitbart as a source since 2016, and even then it was sparingly, as they were the only news agency accurately reporting on #Gamergate. But you seriously, and without a hint of irony or self awareness, use wikipedia as a primary source, and that will always be hilarious. |
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Post by kirinke on May 13, 2021 2:20:18 GMT
At least the articles I link to from them have researchable cites. You just put up statements and expect the rest of us to believe it.
Have you been probed by aliens and sung to by lizardmen? You haven't offered up any proof. None.
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Post by evileeyore on May 13, 2021 3:18:46 GMT
You just put up statements and expect the rest of us to believe it. So you didn't read the article at all. Thanks for the confirmation, your arguments are ignorable henceforth. The article has over 20 links to papers, documents, videos, and other articles backing up every claim made, bringing evidence to tear down the "in the wild" theory and what scant evidence there exists for the "Wuhan lab" theory (mostly just that the "prevailing" counter theory is in fact a conspiracy to obfuscate facts and impede any investigation for actual evidence). Not once does the article I posted claim the Wuhan is "irrefutably" where the virus came from, it just lays out actual facts and waits for more evidence. I don't need to keep reaching far and wide to try to prop up my "pet theory", I just keep pointing back to the evidence on display in the article I posted days ago. And still, you keep reaching for wikipedia. You are incapable of learning. |
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Post by kirinke on May 13, 2021 23:25:10 GMT
And you still believe in nonsense fueled by the likes of Steve Bannon and the Former Guy. You are incapable of learning.
At least the wikipedia articles have cites in them as well. So, how are the lizard people? Still controlling things through a mythical pizza-parlor basement?
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Post by 3catcircus on May 13, 2021 23:30:22 GMT
And you still believe in nonsense fueled by the likes of Steve Bannon and the Former Guy. You are incapable of learning. At least the wikipedia articles have cites in them as well. So, how are the lizard people? Still controlling things through a mythical pizza-parlor basement? Your cites are like a K-mart blue light special. Two of shit for the price of one is still shit, just more of it. |
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Post by kirinke on May 14, 2021 1:39:16 GMT
3cat, you believe that masks don't work on a virus that's spread through the air. So, in regards to this, your opinions matter little if anything to me.
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Post by evileeyore on May 14, 2021 2:31:49 GMT
And you still believe in nonsense fueled by the likes of Steve Bannon and the Former Guy. Name one thing 'fueled' by either of them that "I believe". |
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