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Post by evileeyore on Apr 29, 2020 20:50:01 GMT
Wow, a throwaway comment... 'Throwaway comment"? Son, you slipped that in there like Uncle Joe's fingers into a campaign staffer...
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Post by Devoid on Apr 29, 2020 21:11:52 GMT
Less seriousness, more silliness... Isn't this the reason why we have a political comedy thread that you fill with Babylon Bee comedy/satire?
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Post by evileeyore on Apr 29, 2020 22:06:55 GMT
Less seriousness, more silliness... Isn't this the reason why we have a political comedy thread that you fill with Babylon Bee comedy/satire? No. Quite the opposite. The Political Comedy thread is for anything silly/parodocal I/anyone want(s) to post that doesn't fit into the paradigm of a previously established thread and for which I/anyone don't/doesn't want to expend the effort to create a new thread explicitly to cover.
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Post by Ovinomancer on Apr 29, 2020 22:28:38 GMT
Wow, a throwaway comment got you riled. "Riled" is doing a lot of work, here. I wasn't upset when I typed that -- Circus is where I let my inner blunt out after playing politic all day at work. Don't confuse my blunt with angry. You have an odd recollection of this. One recanted after it came out she made it up. Another kept to her story after it's facts were strongly challenged by others with contemporary knowledge -- they were outlandish as well, I mean, boys lining up outside a bedroom at a party to be part of a chain rape and no one, no other girl at the party, having a problem with it or noticing? Yikes. The last recounted a memory from college that was immediately disputed by one of the people who she said was there at the time, and indeed claimed to have been there. That person had no ideological commonalities with Kavanaugh and yet said that nothing of the sort happened. That story was also odd and distorted and shy on details and mixed events from two separate events, as recounted by other witnesses, none of whom saw the claimed behavior. So, the "number of women other than Ford" who came out were a recant, an outlandish story roundly disputed, and a mixed-up memory who's only named witness denied it happened. Nothing else made the news, and the news was combing hard for anything at all. On the contrary, it was checked out. The media had that info and asked lots of questions and didn't find anything. None of the people at that same party recalled the events. There was more evidence that Ford wasn't at that party than that she was. Ford has no friends at the time that could place her at that party, for instance. This was, also, the strongest evidence and it's barely circumstantial. There's a HUGE difference between drunken antics and attempted rape. None of the other incidents recounted about Kavanaugh get anywhere close to attempted rape. This is like saying that since you might occasionally speed you're a good candidate for drunken driving. Right. A friend of Kavanaugh happened to work in a grocery store around a time that the party could have happened and Ford said she saw the friend working at the store. This is good evidence that Ford's claim that she was almost raped at a party is also true? Really. Note the really isn't a question, it's just a flat bit of disappointment.
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Post by Libtard on Apr 30, 2020 1:34:42 GMT
Have you never had someone try to grope you or force themselves upon you, and, after you extricate yourself from the situation, have them later dismiss it as "drunken antics?"
You are literally describing the most common form of sexual assault. The legal requirements for "Attempted Rape" vary, but tend to involve having your dick out - as Kavanaugh was wont to flourish.
So, no. There's not a HUGE difference. There's a hair's breadth.
And that is before you consider the subjective experience of those involved.
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Post by Libtard on Apr 30, 2020 1:48:47 GMT
I mean, is the picture of boozy Brett at a party, swaying drunkenly, and trying to shove his limp dick in your face so implausible?
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Post by Ovinomancer on Apr 30, 2020 11:01:44 GMT
Have you never had someone try to grope you or force themselves upon you, and, after you extricate yourself from the situation, have them later dismiss it as "drunken antics?" You are literally describing the most common form of sexual assault. The legal requirements for "Attempted Rape" vary, but tend to involve having your dick out - as Kavanaugh was wont to flourish. So, no. There's not a HUGE difference. There's a hair's breadth. And that is before you consider the subjective experience of those involved. There's a hair's breadth between sexual assault and drunken antics? Goddamn, why do we allow bars at all?!?! No, there's a wide gamut of drunken behavior that's boorish, lound, and obnoxious (the things that Kavanaugh was actually confirmed to do) and sexual assault or attempted rape. And being thrown on a bed, held down, and molested is pretty damn close to your line. There's no requirement for genitalia to be out for attempted rape, either. You've made this up, and Google is right there. And, the claim that Kavanaugh exposed himself in college was largely debunked by the witness the accuser named. Your entire argument hinges on trying to equate the stupid antics Kavanaugh did admit and were confirmed with sexual assault by blurring the line between. None of Kavanaugh's friends or people he knew at the time ever said Kavanaugh engaged in sexually aggressive behaviors while drunk, instead they talked about the minor vandalism and other things that are commonly associated with drunk behavior. There's still a big difference between what's usually described as drunken antics (and which fit Kavanaugh's confirmed behaviors as a teen) and sexual assault and you do yourself nor anyone else a favor by trying to equate the two.
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Post by Ovinomancer on Apr 30, 2020 11:03:48 GMT
I would like to point out, at this point, that the very thin accusations against Kavanaugh have received two strong arguments of support in this thread, but Biden's accusation, which is much stronger, has been largely avoided.
Would you like to comment as strongly on Biden's accused behavior, Libtard, or is continuing to prosecute Kavanaugh all you're interested in? This is a thread about Biden, after all.
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Post by kirinke on Apr 30, 2020 11:30:22 GMT
Not really: First post
And how it's completely different from Kavanaugh?
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Post by Libtard on Apr 30, 2020 18:24:25 GMT
Would you like to comment as strongly on Biden's accused behavior, Libtard, or is continuing to prosecute Kavanaugh all you're interested in? This is a thread about Biden, after all. Sure.
I find Reade's accusations convincing and it seems entirely likely that Biden sexually assaulted her.
I've got no horse in this race.
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Post by Libtard on Apr 30, 2020 23:22:26 GMT
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Post by evileeyore on May 1, 2020 1:46:01 GMT
Good idea, Alzheimer's is usually less troublesome for it's suffers first thing in the morning.
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Post by Libtard on May 1, 2020 3:25:06 GMT
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Post by kirinke on May 1, 2020 20:19:47 GMT
I am of a mind that people in politics generally are scum, regardless of political leanings.
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Post by evileeyore on May 3, 2020 4:57:21 GMT
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