The War On Free Speech

They had pipe bombs, molotov cocktails, zip ties and guns. Five people died, including a cop who was beaten to death. They had built a gallows for god's sakes. They were chanting hang Pence and kill Pelosi. They were incited by the sitting President of the United States. Five people including a cop died in the riot. They fully intended to hurt and kill duly elected senators and a Vice President who were doing their fucking jobs for once. By their own admission and words. You don't chant hang Pence and kill Pelosi when you go riot with zip ties and guns, IEDs, gallows, festooned with racist imagery and the rest and not expect a hard reaction and consequences from it. Both legal and civil.

Most religions also have prohibitions against bearing false witness as well.So businesses can pull out that card too.

You keep saying that, as if a few hundred bad apples - who planned violence in advance - equates to the 100,000+ who were in attendance but didn't attack cops or shit in the capitol.

When will you admit that there absolutely were also people on the left engaged in violence all throughout this year that have not been prosecuted? And that the percentage of bad apples to peaceful protestors was far greater amongst the left m

In fact, there is video evidence of leftists engaged in violence going will the way back to Trump's inauguration. Don't you remember the #resist and #notmypresident hashtags prominently featuring on twitter over the past 4 years?

So you are saying that you have no problem with companies that support those who encourage and engage in violence as long as they match their own ideology.

Vague "threats" by those on the right, usually consisting of pointing out fallacies on the left or using words that hurt someone's feelings, result in account suspensions or removals by Twitter and Facebook. Has Facebook shut down the pages of those on the left who planned violence at the Capitol or are those pages still up? Or of those who've engaged in violence over the past 4 years?

We now have proof that the violence was planned in advance and not as a result of Trump's speech. The FBI arrested a guy (Sullivan) who has admitted that he was not a Trump supporter who infiltrated the protest and entered the capitol and once he was there, engaged in violence and exhorted those around him to do so. We also have proof that a CNN reporter was with him at the time and also engaged in violence and exhorted the crowd to do so. They are also finding out that Sullivan didn't act alone.

Were there 1%er qanon there? I'm sure there were - they are being looked at as one of the various groups who pre-planned violence. But we also see that the left is involved and did so in an organized fashion - something that has occurred at all points going back to the Trump inauguration.

The proof is incontrovertible that Trump could not have incited violence since it was planned in advance. Had he not given a speech, violence would most likely still have occurred - because that is what the nutters wanted.

I hate to have to tell you this, but chanting vague death threats while peaceably assembled is fully protected by the first amendment. Over a hundred thousand people were there and the vast majority did not enter the capitol or engage in violence. Of those who entered the capitol, the FBI has proof of four different organized groups. Most of the people at the rally went back to their hotels after peaceably assembling, getting fired up by speeches, and venting their anger - and they didn't even know about the incursion immediately while in the way back to their hotels because cell service was jammed.

Of those who went to the capitol, the vast majority of *them* fully intended to demonstrate outside.

We have video of that day - and 95+% of them were completely peaceful and completely within their first amendment rights.

Evileeyore is 100% spot on in his assessment. A right wing guy just got suspended from Twitter for posting that they are inaugurating Biden with a completely closed off National Mall, surrounded by 20,009 troops, for a victory claimed in the dead of night and a certifying of electors in dead of night.

The West Virginia AG posted a tweet that they are ready to go from day 1 of a Biden administration and are prepared to litigate any attempt to suppress the rights of WV residents. Someone responded that they flagged his tweet and reported him to the authorities and the media.

Do you *not* see the danger of a left wing media oligarchy in collusion with a left wing administration?

What none of the fools who are all about cancel culture get is that when you do it to a prominent conservative, they have the resources to deal with it.

When you do it to average citizens, you've put them in a position where some of them may not have anything left. And many many conservatives have arsenals. And if someone feels like they have nothing left to lose; when they've played by the rules of the system and decides that the system itself is the problem, they can decide to do an apeshitter. And cancel culture will never understand why the apeshittery happens. That's what they don't understand - the danger isn't from organized conservative groups that play weekend soldier - they're mostly harmless and the FBI will infiltrate the ones they think are a risk. It's from the Ted Kaczinskys. They're gonna piss off the wrong people and won't ever see it coming and then spend months wringing their hands and asking themselves what could have made that person do what they did. And they'll be the same cancel culture that continues to be apologists for, say, muslim knife attacks in France, or antifa burning and looting.

I hope it doesn't happen, but I'm not gonna be surprised when it does.

You're confusing those who went to the capitol and entered it from the 100,000+ who were arrayed around the ellipse to hear him and others speak and who didn't breach the building. Eyewitness accounts I've read stated it would have taken them 45 minutes to get from where they were at the ellipse to the capitol - way longer than the timeframe from the end of his speech until violence occurred. There are also eyewitness accounts that leftists staged themselves at the entrances and exhorted crowds to follow them.

I'll wait to see the legal filings considering the news is reporting they only have 275 cases open.