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Post by evileeyore on Jan 16, 2021 0:13:05 GMT
What he's saying is, speaking is fine. Protesting is fine. No he isn't you retard. cyph is saying it's okay all these people are losing their jobs, one person is losing their insurance, over their speech and peaceable assembly. Not everyone losing things broke into the Capitol, many were just there at the protest. They aren't being charged with crimes, just identified and losing everything. That's what you're supporting because you refuse to understand how evil cancel culture is. You're also foolishly supporting people losing everything because they are charged with a crime, which is so fucking backwards I can't even fathom how your mind works. No, platforms run by private businesses aren't the Public Square. So we should remove the public square protections from them and watch them dry up and blow away. I agree.It'll mean a return to monkey message boards. |
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Post by kirinke on Jan 16, 2021 0:15:04 GMT
No I'm not. They were trying to get in. That's the problem. Now whether or not the fed arrests the ones who didn't manage to get in is another story. They were all apart of it. Accessories to the crime rather than the main perpetrators.
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Post by 3catcircus on Jan 16, 2021 0:46:43 GMT
No I'm not. They were trying to get in. That's the problem. Now whether or not the fed arrests the ones who didn't manage to get in is another story. They were all apart of it. Accessories to the crime rather than the main perpetrators. Jesus - will you listen to yourself? "They're all involved. It's a conspiracy. They were all in on it.". The FBI has confirmed that this was pre-planned by small groups of bad actors. Normally I enjoy taking positions to the absurdist just to watch you have a conniption, but this is different. You need to see a doctor. This obsession with blaming 100,000+ peaceful protestors for the actions of a few bad actors and a few opposition instigators isn't healthy. |
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Post by Libtard on Jan 16, 2021 9:14:02 GMT
There are a number of people who hang on Trump's every word; they look for hidden meanings, divine them, and amplify their interpretations across social media. It's not as though Trump has any kind of moral responsibility to keep these people from their delusions, or to disabuse them of their mystical insights into his words. It's not as if he promotes conspiracy theories, or encourages extremist behaviour.
Trump is no more culpable than Keith Raniere, Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh or David Miscavige, and shouldn't in any way be held accountable for the actions of his followers, who are independent actors, fully capable of rational analysis and discourse.
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Post by kirinke on Jan 16, 2021 12:39:48 GMT
Bullshit. He incited the crowd. Directly
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Post by 3catcircus on Jan 16, 2021 12:52:01 GMT
Bullshit. He incited the crowd. Directly You really have never seen actual incitement. Had he done what you are claiming, the entire Capitol would have been overrun and there wouldn't be anyone inside not hanging from a rope. That didn't happen. |
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Post by kirinke on Jan 16, 2021 13:59:22 GMT
Nice try, doesn't work. They wanted to. It was a combination of luck and training on the lawmakers and their guards that the mob didn't get their hands on their targets. Fuck your shit 3cat, your explanations don't and have never held water.
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Post by Libtard on Jan 16, 2021 15:10:27 GMT
Bullshit. He incited the crowd. Directly Is irony a word in your vocabulary? |
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Post by 3catcircus on Jan 16, 2021 15:14:19 GMT
Nice try, doesn't work. They wanted to. It was a combination of luck and training on the lawmakers and their guards that the mob didn't get their hands on their targets. Fuck your shit 3cat, your explanations don't and have never held water. You're still hard over on this unsupportable position that Trump incited a riot despite the following facts: 1. The DoJ walked back their assertion that rioters wanted to capture and assassinate elected officials. 2. The FBI confirmed that the entry was pre-planned, negating the claim that Trump caused people to do it - and they knew in advance that it was. That they didn't inform the USCP or the USSS of this is unconscionable. 3. The FBI arrested a left-wing activist (John Sullivan) who recorded himself as he instigated the riot. CNN had this guy on to interview and now they're in a panic because their reporter Jade Sacker was also recorded being involved accompanying him. They have Discord chat logs of the Insurrection USA group that he founded of him planning and subsequent bragging. Additionally the logs show other leftists claiming their own involvement. 4. The fact that the riot commenced *before* Trump was finished speaking - the end of his speech being where he urged people to go to the capitol to have their voices heard. Your beliefs are based upon emotion rather than fact. The response of the Dems (and many Republicans) is the same. These are the same people who've fucked up the Covid lockdowns all year long and who've been allowed to operate as if government is a LARP. We can't have people who make decisions based upon emotion rather than the facts running things. We can't have people who view government service as a power play - hoarding information to only dole out to loyalists, making decisions based upon what benefits them and their political party instead of doing what's right. |
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Post by evileeyore on Jan 16, 2021 16:13:28 GMT
Is irony a word in your vocabulary? Probably, but "self-education" and "research" clearly aren't. For instance I didn't recognize those names, so I researched them. There is a difference between those three and Trump. Do you understand what what that difference is? We can't have people who view government service as a power play - hoarding information to only dole out to loyalists, making decisions based upon what benefits them and their political party instead of doing what's right. This is the big one. The Deep State/Swamp/Factionalism. It needs to come to a halt before someone else (mmmm China?) halts it for us. |
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Post by Libtard on Jan 17, 2021 14:26:03 GMT
There is a difference between those three and Trump. Do you understand what what that difference is?
Don't you understand the similarities?
Snake oil is snake oil, whether you sell it at Whole Foods at a mark-up or at Costco at a discount, and Trump's brand is definitely bottom shelf. It's about preying on people's insecurities and amplifying their fears. Understanding that Trumpism is a quasi-religious phenomenon is the first step towards mollifying the damage it has caused.
Trump's grand strategy - of throwing a flurry of shit as fast as he can in every direction - only has a few days left to run; hopefully he doesn't blow up the world in his remaining hours. Within five years, everything he owns will be dismantled or in receivership as his life of grift and bullshit is scrutinized.
The best part is the fact that he has generationally fucked the GOP in the process.
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Post by evileeyore on Jan 17, 2021 16:06:25 GMT
Don't you understand the similarities? Yes. They're con artists who built their 'empires' using their charisma to create cults of personality. Now, for the rest of the class, do you understand the differences? I don't believe you actually do. Do you understand that Leftism and Rightism is the same thing? Note how religious kirinke is with the proper purity responses. Sure. So? I don't care about Trump, he's done, why are y'all still talking about him? Has he done something since he grovelled for mercy? He'll be impeached (poor Mario), or not, he'll be censored, pilloried, etc. Now can we talk about something actually important like removing the rest of the dead wood and infusing new tech-savvy life blood into our political "ruling class"? Or are you okay with their "the internet is a series of tubes" style leadership? Unfortunately false. The GOP is in a stronger position with regards to it's constituency than the DNC is. All they have to do is hold their to individual standards and their constituents will vote for them again. Proof? Mitch has won every county in Kentucky, and he just did that while berating Trump. Mitch Mcfuckingconnell won his seat in Kentucky while calling Trump out for not wearing masks. Fucking think on that. Red states didn't vote trump because they like him, they voted Trump because they don't believe Joe Biden can do the job and don't trust President Harris and the DNC's fuckery. AND THEY AREN'T SMART ENOUGH TO VOTE THIRD PARTY!!!! Granted, if everyone were as "smart as me", Jo Jorgensen would be getting sworn in in 3 days and I don't know how I'd feel about that. Pretty fucking stupid actually (I don't like JoJo). I'd probably still be laughing though. |
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Post by Eldorian on Jan 17, 2021 17:50:11 GMT
Trump 100% incited sedition. He started in 2015 when he said that any State primary he lost was rigged. He's been attacking the core concept of democracy for years. Even in the 2016 election, he said he'd only accept a result that he won. This is the direct cause of the seditious riot. And then, on the day of, he used charged language the rile up his followers, with a few weasel words to get himself out of legal trouble, to get his followers to march to the Capitol and "take back our country".
If Trump was actually competent, American democracy would be over. Luckily he doesn't realize that the first step for being President for Life is personal loyalty of the military.
And Republicans vote for Republicans not because they don't think Joe Biden can do the job (he's obviously more competent than Trump), but because they think that any Democratic government is illegitimate. It's 100% tribal for them, completely devoid of appeals to facts or policy. Sports fandom and racism and funding from amoral self interested fossil fuel companies.
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Post by kirinke on Jan 17, 2021 17:58:14 GMT
Dear, a sponge is more competent than Trump. At least you can throw a sponge in the dishwasher to clean the dirt and grime off...
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Post by 3catcircus on Jan 17, 2021 19:00:30 GMT
Trump 100% incited sedition. He started in 2015 when he said that any State primary he lost was rigged. He's been attacking the core concept of democracy for years. Even in the 2016 election, he said he'd only accept a result that he won. This is the direct cause of the seditious riot. And then, on the day of, he used charged language the rile up his followers, with a few weasel words to get himself out of legal trouble, to get his followers to march to the Capitol and "take back our country". If Trump was actually competent, American democracy would be over. Luckily he doesn't realize that the first step for being President for Life is personal loyalty of the military. And Republicans vote for Republicans not because they don't think Joe Biden can do the job (he's obviously more competent than Trump), but because they think that any Democratic government is illegitimate. It's 100% tribal for them, completely devoid of appeals to facts or policy. Sports fandom and racism and funding from amoral self interested fossil fuel companies. Stating the obvious about the current election process isn't sedition. It's stating the obvious. Republicans vote based upon political shenanigans, just like Democrats. Biden isn't competent whatsoever - anyone can tell that whatever he was capable of, the best he can manage now is to not shit his pants before noon. I mean that literally. He obviously is suffering from some kind of mental degeneracy. Why do you think they called a lid by noon everyday during the campaign? They didn't want people to see his faculties deteriorate as the day went on - common amongst those suffering from Alzheimer's. We have a whistleblower who stated that he had been prescribed Namenda under false names and picked up by interns - and one of its side effects is incontinence. He stated that staffers actually sat around a table and debated which brand of depends would be least-visible, not likely to leak, and didn't make crinkle noises while being worn. They're "inaugurating" him with no crowds, surrounded by 25,000 troops (who btw aren't actually armed), based upon declaration of the results in the dead of night, based upon votes counted in the dead of night. That they demanded (and refused by the pentagon) that they look at the guardsmen's voting record and political party affiliation and that they aren't inviting any witnesses tells you they know he's illegitimate. I'd like to say that the next 4 years will be filled with #resist and #notmypresident activity by the Republicans (like was done by the left the last 4 years, starting with rioting in DC on inauguration day - and with no prosecutions from that day), but most of them are gorging at the same trough as the Dems. |
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