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Post by 3catcircus on Jan 20, 2021 15:41:43 GMT
Yeah, but when the website is used to plan an insurrection, kill congress people and the vice president and encourage mob violence, that goes beyond speachifying and yapping. Facebook Parler is toxic because of that. Fixed it for you. All of the violence on the 6th has been proven by the FBI to have been planned on Facebook who hasn't done anything to address the fact that they are an extremist, racist, pedophile-tolerant platform. |
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Post by kirinke on Jan 20, 2021 16:15:02 GMT
You didn't fix it. Besides, I don't use Facecrack.
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Post by cyphersmith on Jan 20, 2021 16:47:29 GMT
It's that toxic. That's what I'm getting. Hell, no bank in the US would back Trump on loans. He had to go to a foreign bank to do that. It should have told you something about the man. Parler having to go to a foreign country, a hostile foreign country at that, to get back online should tell you a similar story. Stay away from it. Toxic it may be, but that's not a valid reason to limit free speech. Toxic speech is a subjective opinion, which means that it could be your preferred speech that is declared toxic eventually and banned. How about that it had so many security holes that it was ridiculous? Unlike EVERY other such platform, they didn't strip the metadata from photos. They got people to send in copies of their frigging drivers licenses. Instead of using some kind of random number for getting page numbers, they were just doing consecutive numbers. That's why so much of their data was able to be scraped. They were using a free trial version of some of the software on their site. Which they can no longer use. |
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Post by 3catcircus on Jan 20, 2021 16:55:10 GMT
Toxic it may be, but that's not a valid reason to limit free speech. Toxic speech is a subjective opinion, which means that it could be your preferred speech that is declared toxic eventually and banned. How about that it had so many security holes that it was ridiculous? Unlike EVERY other such platform, they didn't strip the metadata from photos. They got people to send in copies of their frigging drivers licenses. Instead of using some kind of random number for getting page numbers, they were just doing consecutive numbers. That's why so much of their data was able to be scraped. They were using a free trial version of some of the software on their site. Which they can no longer use. This I agree with. There is no reason to not be as secure as possible with your users' data. That having been said, has there ever been a real punishment for any company that has allowed user data to be stolen? Or does it not count if the company is already selling user data to the highest bidder? |
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Post by kirinke on Jan 20, 2021 16:56:08 GMT
Depends on the TOS.
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Post by evileeyore on Jan 20, 2021 20:42:45 GMT
It’s illuminating that Parler couldn’t find a domestic backer for its platform, and had to look to a service based in a hostile foreign polity in order to stage and finance it. Am I missing something? They don't require financing in russia, just hosting. It's illuminating that you think it's okay an American communication company has to go to an authoritarian country, that censors it's own people, to find Free Speech protections... That American companies are limiting speech to only speech they approve of? They can do it, but it's a pretty anti-American stance to take. Exactly. And it will only get worse with the Dems leaning on them with both congress and the president. Toxic it may be, but that's not a valid reason to limit free speech. Toxic speech is a subjective opinion, which means that it could be your preferred speech that is declared toxic eventually and banned. In fact, kirinke is lucky I'm not a mod (in general) on these boards, I'd have censored her out of one thread already. |
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Post by kirinke on Jan 20, 2021 20:49:11 GMT
For what? My speech is no worse than any other on the boards. I'm obeying the rules of the forum, insomuch as there are rules here. In any other forum, I'd probably have been banned, along with everyone else, for foul language at the very least. Lol.
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Post by evileeyore on Jan 21, 2021 0:22:18 GMT
The Political Comedy thread is for humour. Not every insipid anti-Trump news article that somehow makes you laugh. News in the news! Funney in teh funney! |
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Post by kirinke on Jan 21, 2021 0:24:18 GMT
Everyone's sense of humor is different NB.
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Post by Maxperson on Jan 21, 2021 2:11:05 GMT
Yeah, but when the website is used to plan an insurrection, kill congress people and the vice president and encourage mob violence, that goes beyond speachifying and yapping. Parler is toxic because of that. Then the solution is to arrest those plotting for conspiracy and fine the company if it did anything criminal. Rushing to judgment and banning the company, combined with the law of unintended consequences = Parler on a Russian server. |
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Post by Maxperson on Jan 21, 2021 2:12:30 GMT
Toxic it may be, but that's not a valid reason to limit free speech. Toxic speech is a subjective opinion, which means that it could be your preferred speech that is declared toxic eventually and banned. How about that it had so many security holes that it was ridiculous? Unlike EVERY other such platform, they didn't strip the metadata from photos. They got people to send in copies of their frigging drivers licenses. Instead of using some kind of random number for getting page numbers, they were just doing consecutive numbers. That's why so much of their data was able to be scraped. They were using a free trial version of some of the software on their site. Which they can no longer use. If it was illegal, subject them to fines. |
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Post by Libtard on Jan 21, 2021 3:19:39 GMT
It's illuminating that you think it's okay an American communication company has to go to an authoritarian country, that censors it's own people, to find Free Speech protections...
Don't make me laugh; Amazon has no anti-free speech agenda beyond its bottom line. It's happy to trample worker's rights, trash competitors, snoop on everyone and dodge taxes. It used fucking neo-nazis to repress immigrant workers in Germany:
Amazon made a choice based on profit. What it deems profitable aligns with a majority ethos in this particular case.
The questions are why does it align with a majority ethos? and how can it be anti-American, if it represents the American majority ethos?
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Post by evileeyore on Jan 21, 2021 7:32:15 GMT
Amazon made a choice based on profit. I don't believe it did. i believe Amazon chose to lose a small amount now in the hopes the WOKEratti would turn a blind eye to them (which they mostly do anyway) and so certianly other Big Tech companies would owe them a favor. The whole group is very anti-competition, pro-trust, pro-monopoly. I disagree here as well. I don't think being anti-Free Speech is the majority ethos. It's certainly the ethos of the globalist establishment class in the DNC and loud far left authoritarians (and probably some far right authoritarians as well, but I don't listen to them so, while I can't point them out, it wouldn't surprise me if they too were still calling for censorship of the stuff they hate). It doesn't and it doesn't. The problem is, the anti-Free Speech ethos of Big SocMed wasn't as important to "most" people as "defeating the fascist dictatorship* of Trump" was. Otherwise Biden would have suffered far worse in the primaries and the pro-Free Speech candidates would have fared better. but that old spectator of Hitler Trump just needed to be defeated so the Left could go back to sleep under Biden's gentle rocking of their mind-cradles... * A 'fascist dictator' that allowed people to talk shit about him constantly for four years and vote him out. Can you point to any other "fascists" or "dictators" that operated that way? No? I wonder why... |
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Post by Libtard on Jan 21, 2021 10:50:03 GMT
Amazon made a choice based on profit. I don't believe it did. i believe Amazon chose to lose a small amount now in the hopes the WOKEratti would turn a blind eye to them (which they mostly do anyway) and so certianly other Big Tech companies would owe them a favor. All you are saying is that Amazon made a strategic choice based on profit, rather than a tactical one.
Regardless, my earnest hope now is that:
1) Trump forms his "Patriot Party" and fractures the GOP 2) The Progressive Left and the Corporate Left have an acrimonious divorce 3) The US lurches toward a multi-party democracy before this dystopia becomes any more dystopian
Fingers crossed. Not optimistic.
God, I wish Andrew Yang were president. |
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Post by 3catcircus on Jan 21, 2021 13:25:20 GMT
I don't believe it did. i believe Amazon chose to lose a small amount now in the hopes the WOKEratti would turn a blind eye to them (which they mostly do anyway) and so certianly other Big Tech companies would owe them a favor. All you are saying is that Amazon made a strategic choice based on profit, rather than a tactical one.
Regardless, my earnest hope now is that:
1) Trump forms his "Patriot Party" and fractures the GOP 2) The Progressive Left and the Corporate Left have an acrimonious divorce 3) The US lurches toward a multi-party democracy before this dystopia becomes any more dystopian
Fingers crossed. Not optimistic.
God, I wish Andrew Yang were president. None of those are all that likely except the first one. Why would you want Yang as president? The guy is a multimillionaire who recently made a "Inorite" posting about having to suffer through working from his 2 bedroom apartment in Manhattan while his kids were home schooling so they shifted their base of operations to their upstate NY home in New Paltz. *That's* the guy you want representing the interests of someone whose business was ruined by covid shutdowns or someone who doesn't have two nickels to rub together because of sky-high taxes resulting in them living in a 1-bedroom shitbox in Newark with 3 kids sharing a sofabed. |
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