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Post by evileeyore on Jul 7, 2022 15:30:27 GMT
Go back and reread the exchange. Go back and reread the exchange. And this time pay attention to whom I was responding to. You moron. I was speaking directly to Maxperson, who was asserting "those aren't rights because they can be taken away", so yes, stating (paraphrased), "while true, there are no rights there are only privileges, however you do know what what the conversation is about, stop arguing semantics" is perfectly in conversation at that time. You think there are no fundies in government in Czechia, Serbia, Greece, Italy? Do you just make shit up on a whim? And of course the US has "more rights" than countries like Germany where gun ownership and freedom of speech is curtailed (or rather as far as I'm concerned more important rights are protected here). It's not a moral vacuum. My ethics have been carefully weighed, chosen, and are adhered to despite difficulty, because I have morals and ethics. My decisions aren't borne by the whims of propaganda and artifice, unlike the majority of voters in both parties. It is, abortion ends a human life. It is legal, we legalize murder all the time. Or did the families Biden has droned out of existence cease to be humans with rights when I wasn't looking? Well, yes. The State, and the people who support the State's power in doing so, have decided it's okay to murder unborn humans, for a variety of reasons and at a variety of times. And yes, I consider it murder, I'm rather glad I wasn't aborted (it was an option due to complications during my Mom's pregnancy, she risked death rather than take the safer, easier route), but my personal considerations don't over-weigh the needs of the State or others in this one. Politically, I think that abortions in a number of cases are perfectly justified and if keeping that option means allowing abortion in some cases I don't think are justified for reasons I don't agree are justification, well, that's how the sausage is made. I agree I fail as a fundie, since I'm not religious at all, nor do I place any creed above my free will. But how does my desire to keep Church and State separate fail though? Because I'm a State's Rightist? Because I don't wish to impose my views upon the entirety of the US? When did you realize you were a fascist, libtard? Because I believe the Constitution is interpretable and amendable? You really don't like paying attention to the arguments of others. |
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Post by kirinke on Jul 8, 2022 11:40:42 GMT
That's about the same for me. If I ever got pregnant (under most circumstances I wouldn't as I'm virtually asexual), I'd probably have the kid, but that's just me and my personal situation. Another woman's situation is entirely different, so I personally can't judge it.
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Post by Devoid on Jul 9, 2022 0:18:02 GMT
You can't expect a woman to suicide for the baby. If the mother is at risk of death, then it's basically self-defense at that point. I can't fault her for choosing her life over her child's. Fair enough. So you do support abortion in cases where the mother's life is in danger. What about cases of rape/incest?
This post is intentionally open to everyone here (not just for Maxperson):
What about a 10-year-old girl in Ohio who became pregnant after being raped? This would likely place the subject as an elementary school student finishing the fourth grade.
During the April 27, 2022 session of the Ohio House Government Committee[1], Ohio state representative Richard Brown questioned HB 598 primary bill sponsor and state representative Jean Schmidt why [Ohio] HB 598[2] includes no exceptions for people who become pregnant after being raped and hypothesized a case of a 13-year-old rape victim being impregnated by a serial rapist or family member being forced to carry to term regardless of and emotional or psychological damage/trauma that may be inflicted upon the victim[3]. Rep. Jean Schmidt responded:
What are your thoughts regarding Rep. Jean Schmidt's response to the question both in part and in whole? |
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Post by kirinke on Jul 9, 2022 13:12:20 GMT
Honestly? That bitch should be fucking spayed with a dull knife and investigated for potential child abuse. Because any fucking monster that forces a 10 or 12 year old freaking child to carry a fetus to term is a child abusing monster. Because not only are they condoning child rape and rape in general, they are further traumatizing her by making her go through with the pregnancy and birth.
Maybe after experiencing a fraction of the pain and trauma a woman goes through when she is raped, then she'll develop some basic humanity and empathy for child rape victims and rape victims in general.
Doubt it though. She's pure evil.
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Post by 3catcircus on Jul 11, 2022 18:27:17 GMT
Honestly? That bitch should be fucking spayed with a dull knife and investigated for potential child abuse. Because any fucking monster that forces a 10 or 12 year old freaking child to carry a fetus to term is a child abusing monster. Because not only are they condoning child rape and rape in general, they are further traumatizing her by making her go through with the pregnancy and birth.
Maybe after experiencing a fraction of the pain and trauma a woman goes through when she is raped, then she'll develop some basic humanity and empathy for child rape victims and rape victims in general.
Doubt it though. She's pure evil.
Explain to me how not wanting to kill a baby is somehow an endorsement of child rape. Go ahead I'll wait... |
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Post by kirinke on Jul 12, 2022 1:23:08 GMT
Because you're forcing a child to bear that fetus to baby-hood. A freaking 10 year old child or any age child is in no way ready or developed for pregnancy and the complications that arise from that are both real and can be lethal. Not to mention, you are forcing her to go through more trauma from the knowledge of carrying her rapist's spawn and the knowledge that it gives even more power to her attacker.
So yeah. It is advocating child rape and child abuse to force a child to go through a pregnancy. Because children who get pregnant, have been raped and you are bloody well torturing a child further with forcing her to go through a pregnancy.
Not to mention, forcing any woman or girl to go through a pregnancy that is the result of rape is evil. (and incest is rape as well, so don't even go there).
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Post by Devoid on Jul 13, 2022 22:45:22 GMT
Awaiting the results of the paternity test of the rape of the 10-year-old girl from Ohio[1]. If there is a positive match, then the story of the girl would be proven not to have been fabricated, despite dubious claims[2][3][4][5]. |
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Post by kirinke on Jul 14, 2022 0:27:01 GMT
Also, a fetus isn't a person. It's a potential person, but it's not a person. I prefer to focus on the people who are actually here than something that might or might not even get here. Especially when the victim is a freaking 10 year old rape victim.
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Post by Maxperson on Jul 15, 2022 19:37:38 GMT
Basically, what concerns me, is the fact that the Republicans want to criminalize abortion for women, sending them to prison for it. That is also true for women who are raped and have medical problems of whatever sort with the fetus and even miscarriages are on the block. Actually listen to the rhetoric of these loons. Whatever your personal feelings on the issue, in the end, it should be between the woman and her doctor. We as a whole should have absolutely nothing to do with it.
Before you tell me I'm out of my mind and it's nonsense, it's already happened for a fucking miscarriage!
Do you even look at what you post? That article is from 2021, well before Roe was overturned, so the "It's already happening!" isn't related to Roe. Further, your crying about Republicans overlooks that more cases in that article about people being jailed for killing babies through their meth habits were in California, the most liberal state in the nation, than in conservative states. |
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Post by Maxperson on Jul 15, 2022 19:39:26 GMT
Take a deep breath and stop panicking. If Republicans have their way, she's not going to jail at all. By law you have to be 14 or older to be charged as an adult in Ohio. |
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Post by Maxperson on Jul 15, 2022 19:47:01 GMT
Fair enough. So you do support abortion in cases where the mother's life is in danger. What about cases of rape/incest?
This post is intentionally open to everyone here (not just for Maxperson):
What about a 10-year-old girl in Ohio who became pregnant after being raped? This would likely place the subject as an elementary school student finishing the fourth grade.
During the April 27, 2022 session of the Ohio House Government Committee[1], Ohio state representative Richard Brown questioned HB 598 primary bill sponsor and state representative Jean Schmidt why [Ohio] HB 598[2] includes no exceptions for people who become pregnant after being raped and hypothesized a case of a 13-year-old rape victim being impregnated by a serial rapist or family member being forced to carry to term regardless of and emotional or psychological damage/trauma that may be inflicted upon the victim[3]. Rep. Jean Schmidt responded:
What are your thoughts regarding Rep. Jean Schmidt's response to the question both in part and in whole? The problem lies with whether you believe that life begins at conception or not. If you do, then an abortion, even for a 10 year old under those circumstances, is murder. The question then becomes, is the murder of a baby a greater crime than a 10 year old having that baby. For someone on the pro-life side, there's no good answer to that question. It's going to be horrible either way. I think many, if not most on the pro-life side would view the murder as the worst crime, and so would argue against the 10 year old having the abortion. And that's what I think the Representative quoted above was clumsily getting at. The question you ask is only easy for the pro-choice side that believes that the baby is just some clump of parasitic cells. |
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Post by Devoid on Jul 15, 2022 21:37:00 GMT
This post is intentionally open to everyone here (not just for Maxperson):
What about a 10-year-old girl in Ohio who became pregnant after being raped? This would likely place the subject as an elementary school student finishing the fourth grade.
During the April 27, 2022 session of the Ohio House Government Committee[1], Ohio state representative Richard Brown questioned HB 598 primary bill sponsor and state representative Jean Schmidt why [Ohio] HB 598[2] includes no exceptions for people who become pregnant after being raped and hypothesized a case of a 13-year-old rape victim being impregnated by a serial rapist or family member being forced to carry to term regardless of and emotional or psychological damage/trauma that may be inflicted upon the victim[3]. Rep. Jean Schmidt responded:
What are your thoughts regarding Rep. Jean Schmidt's response to the question both in part and in whole? The problem lies with whether you believe that life begins at conception or not. If you do, then an abortion, even for a 10 year old under those circumstances, is murder. The question then becomes, is the murder of a baby a greater crime than a 10 year old having that baby. For someone on the pro-life side, there's no good answer to that question. It's going to be horrible either way. I think many, if not most on the pro-life side would view the murder as the worst crime, and so would argue against the 10 year old having the abortion. And that's what I think the Representative quoted above was clumsily getting at. The question you ask is only easy for the pro-choice side that believes that the baby is just some clump of parasitic cells. I respect those who choose to carry to term, regardless of circumstance. I also respect those who choose not to, especially in this case.
I find it difficult to respect those who enforce their will upon others (especially in this case) without ever having to make such an ugly choice for themselves. A victim of rape, incest, or sex trafficking is a violent, intimate act against their will (sex trafficking is not the same as prostitution in this regard). To force the victim to carry to term is also an act against their will.
Truly, there are some that believe that abortion (as a form of murder) is worse that the rape and impregnation of a child, but what percentage of those that do will be there to support the victim and her baby (after its birth) for the rest of their lives? How have those same individuals helped these unfortunate victims (mother and child) after birth? For those who do nothing, do they really have the right to enforce their will/beliefs upon others in this regard?
This is about demonstrating dignity, understanding, and compassion for others. It is about being humane.
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Post by cyphersmith on Jul 15, 2022 22:03:23 GMT
This post is intentionally open to everyone here (not just for Maxperson):
What about a 10-year-old girl in Ohio who became pregnant after being raped? This would likely place the subject as an elementary school student finishing the fourth grade.
During the April 27, 2022 session of the Ohio House Government Committee[1], Ohio state representative Richard Brown questioned HB 598 primary bill sponsor and state representative Jean Schmidt why [Ohio] HB 598[2] includes no exceptions for people who become pregnant after being raped and hypothesized a case of a 13-year-old rape victim being impregnated by a serial rapist or family member being forced to carry to term regardless of and emotional or psychological damage/trauma that may be inflicted upon the victim[3]. Rep. Jean Schmidt responded:
What are your thoughts regarding Rep. Jean Schmidt's response to the question both in part and in whole? The problem lies with whether you believe that life begins at conception or not. If you do, then an abortion, even for a 10 year old under those circumstances, is murder. The question then becomes, is the murder of a baby a greater crime than a 10 year old having that baby. For someone on the pro-life side, there's no good answer to that question. It's going to be horrible either way. I think many, if not most on the pro-life side would view the murder as the worst crime, and so would argue against the 10 year old having the abortion. And that's what I think the Representative quoted above was clumsily getting at. The question you ask is only easy for the pro-choice side that believes that the baby is just some clump of parasitic cells. There is a problem with the idea that the 10-year-old should not have that abortion. It's the fact that that's a child whose body usually hasn't been changed enough by puberty to actually be able to carry a child to term. It's not just a danger to her health, it's a danger to her life. |
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Post by kirinke on Jul 16, 2022 15:28:43 GMT
There is also the fact that most if not all of the lawmakers who are making these anti women health laws have absolutely zero knowledge of basic biology and they display this every single time they open their mouth on the subject.
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Post by 3catcircus on Jul 17, 2022 15:47:14 GMT
Because you're forcing a child to bear that fetus to baby-hood. A freaking 10 year old child or any age child is in no way ready or developed for pregnancy and the complications that arise from that are both real and can be lethal. Not to mention, you are forcing her to go through more trauma from the knowledge of carrying her rapist's spawn and the knowledge that it gives even more power to her attacker.
So yeah. It is advocating child rape and child abuse to force a child to go through a pregnancy. Because children who get pregnant, have been raped and you are bloody well torturing a child further with forcing her to go through a pregnancy.
Not to mention, forcing any woman or girl to go through a pregnancy that is the result of rape is evil. (and incest is rape as well, so don't even go there).
No, no it's not. It's just not. Advocating child rape would be if entities encouraged children to engage in sexual activity - i.e. - what Planned Parenthood and trans activist child drag show supporters are currently engaged in. |
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