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Post by Maxperson on Sept 7, 2019 6:17:37 GMT
I was looking at the US Congressional map, not the state map. The odd things I see on the state map probably has a lot to do with the rules that were given to the commission, and not the commission itself. And probably geographic features as well. Well, I was talking specifically about the state Democratic dictatorship we have going on here. While geographic features undoubtedly are responsible for some of what we see, the Democrats gerrymander the fuck out of the districts as well. Whether it's through instructions to the commission, or the commission is just biased, it doesn't really matter. It's happening and it's designed to fuck Republicans out of as many voices as possible.
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Post by evileeyore on Sept 7, 2019 12:23:18 GMT
Well, I was talking specifically about the state Democratic dictatorship we have going on here. I get that you're kvetching about the Ivory Tower Coastal Elites here... but the Repubs do this as well (and did it better thanks to the late Thomas Hofeller) everywhere they can get away with it.
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Post by Maxperson on Sept 7, 2019 16:08:23 GMT
Well, I was talking specifically about the state Democratic dictatorship we have going on here. I get that you're kvetching about the Ivory Tower Coastal Elites here... but the Repubs do this as well (and did it better thanks to the late Thomas Hofeller) everywhere they can get away with it. Oh, I know they do. My point is that it is happening everywhere, but more Republicans are being disenfranchised than Democrats, because the blue areas are far more populous. If the electoral college goes away, there will be a wave of red presidents. The no party affiliated me gets a lot of enjoyment in watching the Democrats cry to get rid of a college that is saving them, while the Republicans cry to keep the college that is holding them down. It's delicious. My other point is that the left is very fascist and dictatorial when they get power. California and New York show this in bright neon lights.
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Post by evileeyore on Sept 8, 2019 1:13:55 GMT
My other point is that the left is very fascist and dictatorial when they get power. That's because their faith in their religion is more pure and self righteous than that of the right.
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Post by kirinke on Sept 14, 2019 21:39:01 GMT
Is the right any better? Look at Kansas for example or Alabama/Mississippi.
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Post by Nic Verbo on Sept 16, 2019 3:34:58 GMT
The USA is a Republic not a democracy, it was never designed for the vote of the unwashed masses to overturn the rule of the educated (and rich elite). In the event that a rabble-rousing demagogue or would be dictator arose, the wiser guardians would simply choose to override the popular result. That was the original design. Remember this was established before party politics existed.
In the 21st Century it does seem to need a little recalibration.
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Post by Kzach on Sept 16, 2019 10:20:24 GMT
The USA is a Republic not a democracy. This always make me laugh when someone tries to look smart by saying this. They are not mutuelle exclusive. The US is a republic and a representative democracy.
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Post by Ovinomancer on Sept 16, 2019 15:59:44 GMT
The USA is a Republic not a democracy, it was never designed for the vote of the unwashed masses to overturn the rule of the educated (and rich elite). In the event that a rabble-rousing demagogue or would be dictator arose, the wiser guardians would simply choose to override the popular result. That was the original design. Remember this was established before party politics existed. In the 21st Century it does seem to need a little recalibration. Party politics definitely existed.
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Post by Ovinomancer on Sept 16, 2019 16:00:24 GMT
The USA is a Republic not a democracy. This always make me laugh when someone tries to look smart by saying this. They are not mutuelle exclusive. The US is a republic and a representative democracy. It always makes me laugh when you try to look smart and instead just expose your ignorance.
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Post by Kzach on Sept 16, 2019 16:05:40 GMT
This always make me laugh when someone tries to look smart by saying this. They are not mutuelle exclusive. The US is a republic and a representative democracy. It always makes me laugh when you try to look smart and instead just expose your ignorance. Personal attack and no facts to back it. Typical Cuntmancer post.
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Post by Ovinomancer on Sept 16, 2019 16:11:20 GMT
It always makes me laugh when you try to look smart and instead just expose your ignorance. Personal attack and no facts to back it. Typical Cuntmancer post. I sincerely apologize for stealing your shtick. I know you strive to be unique and dislike it when others replicate your style. That this is the best you're capable of is no excuse for my reaching for the low-hanging fruit of mimicking you.
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Post by Kzach on Sept 16, 2019 16:24:05 GMT
Personal attack and no facts to back it. Typical Cuntmancer post. I sincerely apologize for stealing your shtick. I know you strive to be unique and dislike it when others replicate your style. That this is the best you're capable of is no excuse for my reaching for the low-hanging fruit of mimicking you. Cuntmancer deflects cause he doesn't know a republic can also be a democracy. I win again. So boring this lack of challenge. For the ignorant Cuntmancer: "The primary positions of power within a republic are not inherited, but are attained through democracy, oligarchy, or autocracy. It is a form of government under which the head of state is not a hereditary monarch"
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Post by Ovinomancer on Sept 16, 2019 22:57:01 GMT
I sincerely apologize for stealing your shtick. I know you strive to be unique and dislike it when others replicate your style. That this is the best you're capable of is no excuse for my reaching for the low-hanging fruit of mimicking you. Cuntmancer deflects cause he doesn't know a republic can also be a democracy. I win again. So boring this lack of challenge. For the ignorant Cuntmancer: "The primary positions of power within a republic are not inherited, but are attained through democracy, oligarchy, or autocracy. It is a form of government under which the head of state is not a hereditary monarch" Snicker. Really? Can you attain power in a republic through socialism or theocracy, too? No bet that you won't even understand the point I'm making here. I'll be nice and say that your source claims positions in a republic are attained through other kinds of government. I mean, I understand the confusion between holding popular elections and democracy, because at least democracy is rule by the people through voting, but come on, man, do you really think you elect a President through autocracy?
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Post by Kzach on Sept 17, 2019 1:01:18 GMT
Cuntmancer deflects cause he doesn't know a republic can also be a democracy. I win again. So boring this lack of challenge. For the ignorant Cuntmancer: "The primary positions of power within a republic are not inherited, but are attained through democracy, oligarchy, or autocracy. It is a form of government under which the head of state is not a hereditary monarch" Snicker. Really? Can you attain power in a republic through socialism or theocracy, too? No bet that you won't even understand the point I'm making here. I'll be nice and say that your source claims positions in a republic are attained through other kinds of government. I mean, I understand the confusion between holding popular elections and democracy, because at least democracy is rule by the people through voting, but come on, man, do you really think you elect a President through autocracy? Ask Putin. Still no explanations as to why the US isn't a representative democracy and still a republic. It is almost as if you can't. Wait. It is because you can't.
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Post by Ovinomancer on Sept 17, 2019 19:31:12 GMT
Snicker. Really? Can you attain power in a republic through socialism or theocracy, too? No bet that you won't even understand the point I'm making here. I'll be nice and say that your source claims positions in a republic are attained through other kinds of government. I mean, I understand the confusion between holding popular elections and democracy, because at least democracy is rule by the people through voting, but come on, man, do you really think you elect a President through autocracy? Ask Putin. Still no explanations as to why the US isn't a representative democracy and still a republic. It is almost as if you can't. Wait. It is because you can't. Already at the moving goal posts? Man, must have read something and realized you were in the dumb zone and so have shifted goals to try to salvage something. I know you're used to lording it over your mom, so I suppose I understand how you made that mistake. There is no difference between a republic and a representative democracy. There is a difference between a republic or representative democracy and democracy. And, in no system do you choose leaders by way of oligarcy, autocracy, or democracy. These are systems of government, not selection methods. I hope this concludes out little walk done Kzach-shows-he's-a-moron Lane, but I feel that you're in the mood to keep strolling.
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