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Post by kirinke on Mar 21, 2022 11:26:46 GMT
You're reaching Libtard. The supposed "proof" you have is no such thing. The deaths and side effects can't be linked to the vaccine. It says so right in the document. Blood clots and all the rest can happen without the vaccine. Alot of these side effects aren't even associated with the vaccine. That's the problem with a database that anyone can post to. You get lots of crap.
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Post by Maxperson on Mar 21, 2022 14:52:18 GMT
When you write you'd expect 1200-ish, what you really mean is "it doesn't seem implausible to me, based on a bunch of assumptions I'm making, and which I can continually shift in order for it to remain plausible." Right? Or did I miss something? Anecdotally, when the vaccine was first rolled out, I was working in a Skilled Nursing Facility with an attached Assisted Living and Dementia Ward. The staff outnumbered the patients and residents; average staff age was probably in the early 40s. We'd all had our first shot by the end of February. It seems plausible to me that the majority of shots which were administered in the first 10-12 weeks were in the context of residential care (CCRCs) of one kind or another, where a static, vulnerable population, carers and support staff can be vaccinated using existing medical staff and facilities. I just did the math and those deaths are low. I took the annual US death rate and divided it by 365 to get the daily rate per 360 million. Then divided it by 360 to get the daily rate per million. Then multiplied by 5 for 5 million, then by 70 for 10 weeks. I got 8,750 as the average number of deaths per 5 million. Looks like the vaccine kept a bunch of folks who got it alive  |
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Post by cyphersmith on Mar 21, 2022 15:25:33 GMT
Yeah, that sounds like data that came from VAERS. Which is a worthless source. The problem with a lot of the data that is cited is basically that they're reports of adverse effects without any kind of proper follow up. For the VAERS data, for example, some of the deaths listed are car crashes sometime after being vaccinated. That's far less related than many of the complaints that people have of some of the deaths listed as having COVID as a contributing condition. Things like cause of death being a heart attack, but the person had COVID so it's listed as COVID related. For most of those, the reason they are listed as COVID related is because they are COVID related. COVID causes in some victims blood clots. Blood clots when they reach the heart can cause a heart attack. Did COVID kill those people? Not directly. The COVID related heart attack killed them. It can be hard to tell the difference between someone who died of something he would have died from anyway, while he has COVID, and someone whose death is COVID related. Rereading my comment, I should have stated this. You're right, of course, that COVID contributed to those most of those deaths even when it's not obvious or direct. |
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Post by kirinke on Mar 21, 2022 20:04:36 GMT
Also, the vaccine was never touted to be 100% effective. What it did and does is help make the virus far less deadly, so if you get it, you generally have a better chance of not being hospitalized and dying from it.
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Post by Devoid on Mar 21, 2022 23:50:53 GMT
At least per the FOIA ruling[1] by US District Judge Mark Pittman, the FDA is required to publish the remaining documents at a rate of 55,000 pages every 30 days with the first production being due on or before March 1, 2022, until production is complete. In addition both parties of the ruling shall submit a Joint Status Report detailing the progress of the rolling production by April 1, 2022 (and every 90 days thereafter). Hopefully we will have a better understanding with the additional data forthcoming. |
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Post by evileeyore on Mar 22, 2022 3:03:03 GMT
They like fucking with crazy conspiracy theorists? No, it's because correlations could be made if actual numbers were revealed. |
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Post by Maxperson on Mar 22, 2022 3:31:28 GMT
They like fucking with crazy conspiracy theorists? No, it's because correlations could be made if actual numbers were revealed. Why hasn't anyone FOI'd the numbers? |
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Post by libtard on Mar 22, 2022 14:29:59 GMT
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Post by evileeyore on Mar 22, 2022 14:35:13 GMT
No, it's because correlations could be made if actual numbers were revealed. Why hasn't anyone FOI'd the numbers? They probably have. But until that FOI case is won, Pfizer (and the others) have no reason to just put them out there. |
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Post by libtard on Mar 22, 2022 14:41:25 GMT
When you write you'd expect 1200-ish, what you really mean is "it doesn't seem implausible to me, based on a bunch of assumptions I'm making, and which I can continually shift in order for it to remain plausible." Right? Or did I miss something? Anecdotally, when the vaccine was first rolled out, I was working in a Skilled Nursing Facility with an attached Assisted Living and Dementia Ward. The staff outnumbered the patients and residents; average staff age was probably in the early 40s. We'd all had our first shot by the end of February. It seems plausible to me that the majority of shots which were administered in the first 10-12 weeks were in the context of residential care (CCRCs) of one kind or another, where a static, vulnerable population, carers and support staff can be vaccinated using existing medical staff and facilities. I just did the math and those deaths are low. I took the annual US death rate and divided it by 365 to get the daily rate per 360 million. Then divided it by 360 to get the daily rate per million. Then multiplied by 5 for 5 million, then by 70 for 10 weeks. I got 8,750 as the average number of deaths per 5 million. Looks like the vaccine kept a bunch of folks who got it alive  Yes. The vaccine saved them from heart disease, cancer, gangland hits, SIDS, and car crashes. Because these causes of death are all associated. |
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Post by Maxperson on Mar 22, 2022 15:12:42 GMT
I just did the math and those deaths are low. I took the annual US death rate and divided it by 365 to get the daily rate per 360 million. Then divided it by 360 to get the daily rate per million. Then multiplied by 5 for 5 million, then by 70 for 10 weeks. I got 8,750 as the average number of deaths per 5 million. Looks like the vaccine kept a bunch of folks who got it alive Yes. The vaccine saved them from heart disease, cancer, gangland hits, SIDS, and car crashes. Because these causes of death are all associated.   |
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Post by kirinke on Mar 22, 2022 15:39:18 GMT
Um... SIDS is Sudden Infant Death Syndrome. Babies can't get the vaccine dude.You really need to at least hit within the ballpark for that analogy to work well.
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Post by Maxperson on Mar 22, 2022 17:28:42 GMT
Um... SIDS is Sudden Infant Death Syndrome. Babies can't get the vaccine dude.You really need to at least hit within the ballpark for that analogy to work well. He was trying to poke at me because he didn't get that when I said the vaccine was dropping death rates in general, that is was a joke. It's amusing when people can't get obvious jokes that even include winky faces. |
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Post by libtard on Mar 22, 2022 19:49:49 GMT
Um... SIDS is Sudden Infant Death Syndrome. Babies can't get the vaccine dude.You really need to at least hit within the ballpark for that analogy to work well. Groan. |
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Post by kirinke on Mar 22, 2022 22:22:39 GMT
Lol. Well, it is true though!  |
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