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Post by kirinke on Jun 18, 2020 23:05:09 GMT
1. Putting illegals in cages - check.
2. Giving guns to narco-terrorists - check.
3. Brushing a pandemic under the rug - check.
4. Encouraging leftist terrorists - check.
5. Pandering to regimes that are happy to take US dollars and use it to try and destroy us - check.
6. Engaging in illegal domestic espionage against US citizens - check.
That's everything Trump has done.
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Post by cyphersmith on Jun 19, 2020 0:32:11 GMT
]No, I'm (once again) saying "Stop getting upset over the stupid things that fall out of his mouth". Just like with how you got panty-soaked every time Obama said anything, you can't just hear their words and decide your righteous path, you have to wait for the actions. Ya know, its funny how when leftists state some outrageous shit, their sycophants breathlessly lap it up and and pooh-pooh any detractors, but when Trump does it somehow its the end of all things. Just like with *everyone* in a position of power (especially career do-nothing politicos) who spews forth, perhaps everyone would do well to spend more time scrutinizing what they *do* instead of what they *say* - and we'd find that pretty much everything thing Obama and has minions did was, at the very least, wanton neglect, if not outright unlawful. 1. Putting illegals in cages - check. 2. Giving guns to narco-terrorists - check. 3. Brushing a pandemic under the rug - check. 4. Encouraging leftist terrorists - check. 5. Pandering to regimes that are happy to take US dollars and use it to try and destroy us - check. 6. Engaging in illegal domestic espionage against US citizens - check. Did I miss anything? Whataboutism again. I won't argue that Obama did bad things, he did. Nor that other politicians do bad things. But we're not talking about Obama or other politicians. We're talking about Trump who does that shit at a level that they never even consider. Because, mostly, they're at least somewhat decent people. Unlike Trump. Who was a criminal scumbag narcissist before he ever set foot on a campaign trail or even began thinking about messing about in politics. People say "He's not a racist." Tell that to the Central Park 5. Tell that to his colored tenants. He's been slapped with suits over that kinda shit for his entire life. Same thing with paying contractors. He's been sued over not paying contractors numerous times, and always settles. And he's the king of NDA's. He never wants the shit he does to become public, so he always tries to get NDA's as part of settlements. Fuck, he even does that with his relatives. |
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Post by Ovinomancer on Jun 19, 2020 2:51:10 GMT
Ya know, its funny how when leftists state some outrageous shit, their sycophants breathlessly lap it up and and pooh-pooh any detractors, but when Trump does it somehow its the end of all things. Just like with *everyone* in a position of power (especially career do-nothing politicos) who spews forth, perhaps everyone would do well to spend more time scrutinizing what they *do* instead of what they *say* - and we'd find that pretty much everything thing Obama and has minions did was, at the very least, wanton neglect, if not outright unlawful. 1. Putting illegals in cages - check. 2. Giving guns to narco-terrorists - check. 3. Brushing a pandemic under the rug - check. 4. Encouraging leftist terrorists - check. 5. Pandering to regimes that are happy to take US dollars and use it to try and destroy us - check. 6. Engaging in illegal domestic espionage against US citizens - check. Did I miss anything? Whataboutism again. I won't argue that Obama did bad things, he did. Nor that other politicians do bad things. But we're not talking about Obama or other politicians. We're talking about Trump who does that shit at a level that they never even consider. Because, mostly, they're at least somewhat decent people. Unlike Trump. Who was a criminal scumbag narcissist before he ever set foot on a campaign trail or even began thinking about messing about in politics. People say "He's not a racist." Tell that to the Central Park 5. Tell that to his colored tenants. He's been slapped with suits over that kinda shit for his entire life. Same thing with paying contractors. He's been sued over not paying contractors numerous times, and always settles. And he's the king of NDA's. He never wants the shit he does to become public, so he always tries to get NDA's as part of settlements. Fuck, he even does that with his relatives. Um... 1. Trump put fewer people in cages, and has made changes to the program to make it much more humanitarian. Granted, only after it blew up, but I'm willing to bet he didn't actually know how it worked at that level. 2. Trump didn't give any guns at all to narco-terrorists. 3. Trump hasn't brushed a pandemic under the rug. This very thread is mostly about how he's openly not done a good enough job for some people that he can't ever please anyway. 4. I assume we're flipping this? Trump has at least explicitly condemned right wing extremists. Most of the 'quotes' saying he's encouraging them are taken out of context which flips the meaning. Like his Charlottesville address. 5. Yeah, he does this. I don't think he's worse, he just has different choices in who he panders to. 6. This is a hard sell absent any information and with that apparatus being closely scrutinized by people that don't like Trump. Trump is a victim of this himself. I wouldn't put it past his administration, but it's not at all at the level that it was at the close of the Obama administration where spying was closely linked to Crossfire Hurricane which is increasingly hard to call anything other than a made up investigation to hamstring Trump's presidency. The new list of you present has a few flawed premises. You point out he always settles. Settling isn't an admission of guilt, it's a business decision. Litigation is uncertain and expensive. If you can buy your way out for roughly how much you'd spend in defending yourself, you should always settle a civil suit. This is not evidence of guilt, not even a little bit of evidence. Nor is being sued as a landlord. He does have scummy business practices with contractors and vendors, though. That's not especially egregious, either, sadly, it's more common than you'd expect. There are a lot of lawsuits every year over failure to pay contracted fees. It isn't Presidential, sure, and it's scummy (as I just said), but it's not special. And NDAs are rampant. Trump didn't invent them, nor is he particularly egregious in their use. If any career politician at the national level was subjected to the same level of scrutiny by a hostile media that Trump has, they'd be in deep shit. I'm actually shocked that Trump hasn't been taken down by the investigations, as I expect were the orchestrators of them. If Trump can survive that level of scrutiny, he's either actually very clean (yikes!) or he's far better at hiding his skeletons than anyone else in DC (also, yikes!). I suppose the investigators could be just incompetent. That would be the worst outcome, though. |
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Post by evileeyore on Jun 19, 2020 4:29:23 GMT
That's everything Trump has done. So why is it only bad now that Trump is doing it? [He asks for the fourth year in row....] |
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Post by Maxperson on Jun 19, 2020 6:22:01 GMT
]No, I'm (once again) saying "Stop getting upset over the stupid things that fall out of his mouth". Just like with how you got panty-soaked every time Obama said anything, you can't just hear their words and decide your righteous path, you have to wait for the actions. Ya know, its funny how when leftists state some outrageous shit, their sycophants breathlessly lap it up and and pooh-pooh any detractors, but when Trump does it somehow its the end of all things. Just like with *everyone* in a position of power (especially career do-nothing politicos) who spews forth, perhaps everyone would do well to spend more time scrutinizing what they *do* instead of what they *say* - and we'd find that pretty much everything thing Obama and has minions did was, at the very least, wanton neglect, if not outright unlawful. 1. Putting illegals in cages - check. 2. Giving guns to narco-terrorists - check. 3. Brushing a pandemic under the rug - check. 4. Encouraging leftist terrorists - check. 5. Pandering to regimes that are happy to take US dollars and use it to try and destroy us - check. 6. Engaging in illegal domestic espionage against US citizens - check. Did I miss anything? You missed. 1. Strengthening government power. 2. Encouraging racial discord. 3. Severe lack of transparency. 4. Ordering the murder of an American by drone without due process. 5. Being one of the most violent(wars and drones) Presidents in modern history. |
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Post by kirinke on Jun 19, 2020 12:19:00 GMT
Hey, we're talking about Trump here. I'm just pointing out that 3cat's whataboutism isn't working very well. Not only that but this is about Trump's Covid-19 response. 3cat is trying to change the subject and derailing the thread.
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Post by cyphersmith on Jun 19, 2020 15:42:36 GMT
Whataboutism again. I won't argue that Obama did bad things, he did. Nor that other politicians do bad things. But we're not talking about Obama or other politicians. We're talking about Trump who does that shit at a level that they never even consider. Because, mostly, they're at least somewhat decent people. Unlike Trump. Who was a criminal scumbag narcissist before he ever set foot on a campaign trail or even began thinking about messing about in politics. People say "He's not a racist." Tell that to the Central Park 5. Tell that to his colored tenants. He's been slapped with suits over that kinda shit for his entire life. Same thing with paying contractors. He's been sued over not paying contractors numerous times, and always settles. And he's the king of NDA's. He never wants the shit he does to become public, so he always tries to get NDA's as part of settlements. Fuck, he even does that with his relatives. Um... 1. Trump put fewer people in cages, and has made changes to the program to make it much more humanitarian. Granted, only after it blew up, but I'm willing to bet he didn't actually know how it worked at that level. 2. Trump didn't give any guns at all to narco-terrorists. 3. Trump hasn't brushed a pandemic under the rug. This very thread is mostly about how he's openly not done a good enough job for some people that he can't ever please anyway. 4. I assume we're flipping this? Trump has at least explicitly condemned right wing extremists. Most of the 'quotes' saying he's encouraging them are taken out of context which flips the meaning. Like his Charlottesville address. 5. Yeah, he does this. I don't think he's worse, he just has different choices in who he panders to. 6. This is a hard sell absent any information and with that apparatus being closely scrutinized by people that don't like Trump. Trump is a victim of this himself. I wouldn't put it past his administration, but it's not at all at the level that it was at the close of the Obama administration where spying was closely linked to Crossfire Hurricane which is increasingly hard to call anything other than a made up investigation to hamstring Trump's presidency. The new list of you present has a few flawed premises. You point out he always settles. Settling isn't an admission of guilt, it's a business decision. Litigation is uncertain and expensive. If you can buy your way out for roughly how much you'd spend in defending yourself, you should always settle a civil suit. This is not evidence of guilt, not even a little bit of evidence. Nor is being sued as a landlord. He does have scummy business practices with contractors and vendors, though. That's not especially egregious, either, sadly, it's more common than you'd expect. There are a lot of lawsuits every year over failure to pay contracted fees. It isn't Presidential, sure, and it's scummy (as I just said), but it's not special. And NDAs are rampant. Trump didn't invent them, nor is he particularly egregious in their use. If any career politician at the national level was subjected to the same level of scrutiny by a hostile media that Trump has, they'd be in deep shit. I'm actually shocked that Trump hasn't been taken down by the investigations, as I expect were the orchestrators of them. If Trump can survive that level of scrutiny, he's either actually very clean (yikes!) or he's far better at hiding his skeletons than anyone else in DC (also, yikes!). I suppose the investigators could be just incompetent. That would be the worst outcome, though. Yeah, I kinda knew that all that shit was shit Obama did. After all, 3cat posted it. A lot of those civil suits are filed AFTER he has been slapped with fines by the city, state, or federal government. So of course he's going to settle. And seriously, the shit he does with contractors and vendors is crap. Honestly, with respect to the investigations, he is very good at getting people to not talk, or to lie. Mueller said that a good part of the reason he didn't go further on the conspiracy portion of his investigation was that his witnesses weren't reliable and he couldn't get the evidence he would have needed to go further. That evidence may well exist, but he couldn't get it. Trump stonewalls to a level that no other President has gone to. Which makes it difficult to actually get shit. I wonder what's going to happen if/when he loses in the fall and someone else comes into office. I half expect that he's going to try to stay in power. |
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Post by kirinke on Jun 19, 2020 18:24:29 GMT
Shall we get back to topic? The topic is Trump's Covid-19 Response. My question, is why is the moron holding a fucking rally during a fucking pandemic? Not only that but the tool is doing his best to dodge responsibility by having the rally-goers sign a waiver absolving him of responsibility if they catch Covid-19 from it. (And yes, I also disapprove of protests during a fucking pandemic for the same reasons why I appose holding a rally during a pandemic. Too many fucking people in a tight place.)
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Post by evileeyore on Jun 19, 2020 21:33:57 GMT
Hey, we're talking about Trump here. No you are, and I'm asking you a question that you've repeatedly refused to answer over the last 4 years. Is it because it makes you uncomfortable to contemplate the implications concerning your thought leaders (the leftist news media), or does it make you uncomfortable to realize you rah-rahed for someone who was evil? |
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Post by kirinke on Jun 19, 2020 21:45:24 GMT
And you guys can't defend Trump on his own merits (he has none) without jingling a bunch of keys and saying lookie over here. Sadly, I fell for it a time or two, but no more.
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Post by Ovinomancer on Jun 20, 2020 0:24:22 GMT
Um... 1. Trump put fewer people in cages, and has made changes to the program to make it much more humanitarian. Granted, only after it blew up, but I'm willing to bet he didn't actually know how it worked at that level. 2. Trump didn't give any guns at all to narco-terrorists. 3. Trump hasn't brushed a pandemic under the rug. This very thread is mostly about how he's openly not done a good enough job for some people that he can't ever please anyway. 4. I assume we're flipping this? Trump has at least explicitly condemned right wing extremists. Most of the 'quotes' saying he's encouraging them are taken out of context which flips the meaning. Like his Charlottesville address. 5. Yeah, he does this. I don't think he's worse, he just has different choices in who he panders to. 6. This is a hard sell absent any information and with that apparatus being closely scrutinized by people that don't like Trump. Trump is a victim of this himself. I wouldn't put it past his administration, but it's not at all at the level that it was at the close of the Obama administration where spying was closely linked to Crossfire Hurricane which is increasingly hard to call anything other than a made up investigation to hamstring Trump's presidency. The new list of you present has a few flawed premises. You point out he always settles. Settling isn't an admission of guilt, it's a business decision. Litigation is uncertain and expensive. If you can buy your way out for roughly how much you'd spend in defending yourself, you should always settle a civil suit. This is not evidence of guilt, not even a little bit of evidence. Nor is being sued as a landlord. He does have scummy business practices with contractors and vendors, though. That's not especially egregious, either, sadly, it's more common than you'd expect. There are a lot of lawsuits every year over failure to pay contracted fees. It isn't Presidential, sure, and it's scummy (as I just said), but it's not special. And NDAs are rampant. Trump didn't invent them, nor is he particularly egregious in their use. If any career politician at the national level was subjected to the same level of scrutiny by a hostile media that Trump has, they'd be in deep shit. I'm actually shocked that Trump hasn't been taken down by the investigations, as I expect were the orchestrators of them. If Trump can survive that level of scrutiny, he's either actually very clean (yikes!) or he's far better at hiding his skeletons than anyone else in DC (also, yikes!). I suppose the investigators could be just incompetent. That would be the worst outcome, though. Yeah, I kinda knew that all that shit was shit Obama did. After all, 3cat posted it. A lot of those civil suits are filed AFTER he has been slapped with fines by the city, state, or federal government. So of course he's going to settle. And seriously, the shit he does with contractors and vendors is crap. Absolutely. Trump is no angel or role model. Here we differ, again. Implying Trump is very good at getting people to lie for him runs counter to the evidence that, until more recently, the White House leaked like a sieve, usually with false or misleading stories, about terrible things Trump was doing. Either Trump is a puppetmaster that the full might of a special counsel, led by a former head of the FBI and respected investigator, staffed by many supposedly excellent investigators and lawyers cannot penetrate, or he's an incompetent boob without control of himself or his administration. These are the narratives I'm asked to believe, alternatively, whenever talking about Trump. The former when the best effort to remove him via a phony investigation and the latter most of the rest of the time. Pick a story. And that investigation was premised entirely on nothing. And it was known by the principles that it was nothing. And some of those principles arranged to have the investigation widened, largely by duping Rosenstein. So you have a very wide authority to investigate, a friendly press, half of the US thinking this really has something to do with Russia collusion, and 2 years of digging into everything. They flipped Flynn with lies and dirty tactics, got Trump's business lawyer (I mean, think on this, they got Trump's lawyer), and put a number of people in prison for things not related to the administration to try to get more dirt. They ended up empty. So, yeah, maybe Trump is a fantastic puppetmaster, but then you have to wonder what puppets he's parading before you and if you can trust anything at all, because a massive investigation by people strongly motivated to take Trump down (some of whom needed to take Trump down to avoid being caught in their crimes) found nothing, nada, zip, zilch. And you're making excuses that it wasn't that there was nothing there, but that Trump is a super-genius that managed to hide it from such a massive and wide ranging investigation. Please, pull the other one, it's got bells on. |
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Post by evileeyore on Jun 20, 2020 0:32:09 GMT
And you guys can't defend Trump... Someday you might come to realize we're not defending Trump, we're demanding you start being smarter about your attacks against someone who doesn't give a shit if you cry out "RACIST! SEXIST! FASCIST!", because your accusations mean nothing to him (or to his followers). Don't you get it? Keep crying wolf and see what happens. And while you're at it, answer the question: Is it because it makes you uncomfortable to contemplate the implications concerning your thought leaders (the leftist news media), or does it make you uncomfortable to realize you rah-rahed for someone who was evil? |
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Post by kirinke on Jun 20, 2020 1:22:59 GMT
Wake up and look around you. Look at what Trump is saying and doing. Chasing priests off churches for a photo op where he held the bible upside down, tear gassing peaceful protesters. Lying about how bad Covid-19 is repeatedly. Constantly blaming others for his own failures and refusing to take responsibility for his actions or lack there-of. Acting like a thin skinned fourteen year old girl on twitter. Mocking disabled people. Mocking Gold-star families and war veterans. Destroying our standing with the fucking world with his nonsense. Lying constantly about everything in general. Boasting about how he can grab women's pussies with impunity. Calling women dogs, horse-faces, slobs, pigs, bimbos and probably worse, though that's bad enough.
Central Park 5. Birtherism. The nonsense he's doing in Tulsa as well as claiming he did a good thing in making Juneteenth famous. The Mexico comments. The Haiti comments. How Trump treated Puerto Rico after the hurricanes. A google search will produce much more on Trump and racism.
Trump and Saudi Arabia. Trump and Russia. Trump and North Korea. Trump in Helsinki. Shall I go on, or do you get the picture?
He is a racist and is definitely sexist. He obviously leans towards authoritarianism. Fascism is a stretch, there is a difference between the two. However, alot of his supporters do lean towards fascism or are fascists. While he has denounced them, nobody believes him because of his constant lies. He has no credibility, no honor, no integrity, no empathy, no understanding for anything and absolutely zero capacity for leadership. He doesn't bring anything together. He divides and destroys. Everything he personally touches, he ruins or soils. Before you say he's a billionaire, we don't know that. We do know he's lied about it for years, even fooling Forbes. He won't show us his taxes like every other president or presidential candidate has done. So that should tell you the answer to that question.
He is a terrible human being and will be remembered as a president who made Nixon and Andrew Jackson put together look good.
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Post by evileeyore on Jun 20, 2020 3:25:33 GMT
He is a terrible human being and will be remembered as a president who made Nixon and Andrew Jackson put together look good. Is it because it makes you uncomfortable to contemplate the implications concerning your thought leaders (the leftist news media), or does it make you uncomfortable to realize you rah-rahed for someone who was evil? |
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Post by kirinke on Jun 20, 2020 3:46:30 GMT
I've never ra-rahed Trump.
And here's Obama's legacy
Overall, Obama was a much better president than Trump could ever hope to be.
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