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Post by 3catcircus on Oct 4, 2020 20:43:29 GMT
You shouldn't applaud his irresponsibility. But go ahead. Attend the rallies, go to concerts, heaven forbid, don't wear a mask.
When you catch Covid and you family has to arrange your funeral, don't say I didn't warn you and didn't tell you that you're a fucking moron.
Because right now, you are being a moron.
Personally, I'm going to stay at home, wear a mask when I have to go out and otherwise take sensible precautions.
You go ahead, be stupid.
So last year and the year before ad infinitum, you took similar precautions for cold and flu season? That's what this is, based upon the WHO's and CDC's own numbers. |
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Post by kirinke on Oct 4, 2020 21:13:16 GMT
Colds are not as deadly as Covid-19. We have vaccines for most flu strains. Covid-19 is a quick spreading, deadly disease with no vaccine.
Quit being a moron and educate yourself. If you don't, stay the fuck away from me you plague-bearing Darwin Award Recipient.
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Post by Maxperson on Oct 5, 2020 5:37:03 GMT
You shouldn't applaud his irresponsibility. But go ahead. Attend the rallies, go to concerts, heaven forbid, don't wear a mask.
When you catch Covid and you family has to arrange your funeral, don't say I didn't warn you and didn't tell you that you're a fucking moron.
Because right now, you are being a moron.
Personally, I'm going to stay at home, wear a mask when I have to go out and otherwise take sensible precautions.
You go ahead, be stupid.
So last year and the year before ad infinitum, you took similar precautions for cold and flu season? That's what this is, based upon the WHO's and CDC's own numbers. That's just stupid. We've had multiple times more people die from Covid than from all other flus combined in the worst flu years, and in half the time. |
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Post by 3catcircus on Oct 5, 2020 10:34:21 GMT
So last year and the year before ad infinitum, you took similar precautions for cold and flu season? That's what this is, based upon the WHO's and CDC's own numbers. That's just stupid. We've had multiple times more people die from Covid than from all other flus combined in the worst flu years, and in half the time. You might want to check your math there, chief. All other flus combined ever ever? 1918 flu estimated 17-50 million dead in 2 years. 8.5 million in one year at the low end of the estimate. Hong Kong Flu killed between 1 million and 4 million. 1957 Asian Flu killed 1.1 million. Face facts: a 74 year old who sleeps 4 hours a night, doesn't exercise, and lives on Mcdonald's and KFC just kicked COVID... Did I mention that, despite kirinke's screeching about no vaccine, this is no different than when the flu mutates or they pick the wrong strains and we don't have a vaccine that is good for that year - which is what resulted in the Hong Kong pandemic. Which reminds me - tell me again how they shut down the planet for the 57 and 68 pandemics? Ok that's right, they didn't... |
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Post by kirinke on Oct 5, 2020 11:50:02 GMT
3cat, when literally everyone is telling you that you're being an idiot, take it to heart.
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Post by 3catcircus on Oct 5, 2020 12:52:22 GMT
3cat, when literally everyone is telling you that you're being an idiot, take it to heart. Unlike you, I observe what everyone else is doing and do the opposite. |
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Post by Maxperson on Oct 5, 2020 13:24:25 GMT
That's just stupid. We've had multiple times more people die from Covid than from all other flus combined in the worst flu years, and in half the time. You might want to check your math there, chief. All other flus combined ever ever? 1918 flu estimated 17-50 million dead in 2 years. 8.5 million in one year at the low end of the estimate. Hong Kong Flu killed between 1 million and 4 million. 1957 Asian Flu killed 1.1 million. Face facts: a 74 year old who sleeps 4 hours a night, doesn't exercise, and lives on Mcdonald's and KFC just kicked COVID... Did I mention that, despite kirinke's screeching about no vaccine, this is no different than when the flu mutates or they pick the wrong strains and we don't have a vaccine that is good for that year - which is what resulted in the Hong Kong pandemic. Which reminds me - tell me again how they shut down the planet for the 57 and 68 pandemics? Ok that's right, they didn't... If you have to go to the last pandemic to find a counter............................yooooouuuu may be in trouble.  In the last 10 years, the worst flu season killed 61k. That's all flus combined in a 12 month period. We're at 200k in 6 months for this one virus. Oh, and we pick the wrong strains of flu for the vaccine all the time. It's basically 50/50. Same with mutations. SARS and Swine Flu were new flus that didn't even come close to Covid. |
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Post by Maxperson on Oct 5, 2020 13:24:59 GMT
3cat, when literally everyone is telling you that you're being an idiot, take it to heart. Unlike you, I observe what everyone else is doing and do the opposite. That makes you a flat earther, you know.  |
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Post by 3catcircus on Oct 5, 2020 14:46:25 GMT
You might want to check your math there, chief. All other flus combined ever ever? 1918 flu estimated 17-50 million dead in 2 years. 8.5 million in one year at the low end of the estimate. Hong Kong Flu killed between 1 million and 4 million. 1957 Asian Flu killed 1.1 million. Face facts: a 74 year old who sleeps 4 hours a night, doesn't exercise, and lives on Mcdonald's and KFC just kicked COVID... Did I mention that, despite kirinke's screeching about no vaccine, this is no different than when the flu mutates or they pick the wrong strains and we don't have a vaccine that is good for that year - which is what resulted in the Hong Kong pandemic. Which reminds me - tell me again how they shut down the planet for the 57 and 68 pandemics? Ok that's right, they didn't... If you have to go to the last pandemic to find a counter............................yooooouuuu may be in trouble. In the last 10 years, the worst flu season killed 61k. That's all flus combined in a 12 month period. We're at 200k in 6 months for this one virus. Oh, and we pick the wrong strains of flu for the vaccine all the time. It's basically 50/50. Same with mutations. SARS and Swine Flu were new flus that didn't even come close to Covid. We're not at 200k. Yank all of the "died with" numbers from the count and then we can talk. The CDC reported that in only 6% of cases was COVID the only cause. We also can't ever know the *actual* number of cases and the WHO overreacted early on with a 3%+ estimated IFR which is known to be totally overstated, which is why we have people hiding in their basements. We also don't know what the rtPCR CT was for reported positives - anything over 24 with an STT >8 shouldn't be reported as a positive, but it has been. Likewise, multiple tested on the same individual shouldn't be counted as separate cases, yet they are. Are people who get covid-19 dying? Yes - at the same rate as people who would die from flu and pneumonia, given their advanced age or comorbidities. Obama let thousands of people die from H1N1 and did nothing. They directed the CDC to tell the states to stop testing and counting after they hit 60 million cases in the US - we have no idea how many died from H1N1, but it is likely an order of magnitude more people than officially counted, based upon the number who we know got it and the number estimated. Similar numbers of cases and deaths, but we didn't lock down the country then - because it wasn't an election year and Obama had the press figuratively tonguing his asshole. This year's US flu season: www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm6 months. 56 million cases. 62000 deaths. Tell me again how COVID is any different? |
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Post by cyphersmith on Oct 5, 2020 16:10:42 GMT
We're not at 200k. Yank all of the "died with" numbers from the count and then we can talk. The CDC reported that in only 6% of cases was COVID the only cause. You're being fucking stupid here, as that's NOT what those stats actually mean. What that report is really saying is that 6% of the death certificates were filled out wrong. There is always at least two causes when COVID kills. There is what actually killed, be that pneumonia, heart attack, stroke, etc. Then there's COVID. Just because the first happened doesn't mean that COVID isn't what killed someone. And many of those things are actually being CAUSED by COVID. Heart attack? Well, COVID can cause blood clots. That can cause a heart attack, stroke, or pulmonary embolism, killing a person. COVID causes pneumonia, so seeing both on a death certificate is common. And so on. Depending on the studies you see, the IFR for COVID is between 0.3% and 1%. On the low end, that's still 3 times the flu. Yeah, that's about 1/3 of COVID. As the deaths you're discounting are really caused by COVID, not that other condition. It's like saying that a person who has COPD, for example, and gets the flu and dies didn't die from the flu. Sure, that person had a condition that made their life worse, and sure that condition was going to kill them eventually, but that condition isn't what killed them because they wouldn't have died at that time without the flu. Then you continually ignore the fact that, unlike the flu, many people NEVER fully recover from COVID. |
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Post by kirinke on Oct 5, 2020 17:17:56 GMT
My question is this, why is he so hell bent on down-playing the severity of Covid-19?
Nobody is buying his stance.
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Post by Eldorian on Oct 5, 2020 19:59:10 GMT
My question is this, why is he so hell bent on down-playing the severity of Covid-19? Nobody is buying his stance. Oooh I know the answer to this one. It's the same reason they deny climate change. The solutions to global problems like climate change or global pandemics are necessarily global in nature, and they're rabid nationalists who want to withdraw from international cooperation. Throw in a bit of religious craziness like "god made the earth for us, he wouldn't punish us by changing the climate or inflicting US, his prefered people, with dissease". |
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Post by kirinke on Oct 5, 2020 20:42:44 GMT
Being God's preferred people isn't a good thing. I prefer happy obscurity.
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Post by 3catcircus on Oct 5, 2020 21:27:30 GMT
Being God's preferred people isn't a good thing. I prefer happy obscurity. So... You're an anti-semite... Why are you hatung on His chosen people? |
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Post by 3catcircus on Oct 5, 2020 21:48:50 GMT
We're not at 200k. Yank all of the "died with" numbers from the count and then we can talk. The CDC reported that in only 6% of cases was COVID the only cause. You're being fucking stupid here, as that's NOT what those stats actually mean. What that report is really saying is that 6% of the death certificates were filled out wrong. There is always at least two causes when COVID kills. There is what actually killed, be that pneumonia, heart attack, stroke, etc. Then there's COVID. Just because the first happened doesn't mean that COVID isn't what killed someone. And many of those things are actually being CAUSED by COVID. Heart attack? Well, COVID can cause blood clots. That can cause a heart attack, stroke, or pulmonary embolism, killing a person. COVID causes pneumonia, so seeing both on a death certificate is common. And so on. Depending on the studies you see, the IFR for COVID is between 0.3% and 1%. On the low end, that's still 3 times the flu. Yeah, that's about 1/3 of COVID. As the deaths you're discounting are really caused by COVID, not that other condition. It's like saying that a person who has COPD, for example, and gets the flu and dies didn't die from the flu. Sure, that person had a condition that made their life worse, and sure that condition was going to kill them eventually, but that condition isn't what killed them because they wouldn't have died at that time without the flu. Then you continually ignore the fact that, unlike the flu, many people NEVER fully recover from COVID. 1/3 number of cases? And? 62000/56 million = IFR of 0.11%. Even with the conceit that all 200,000 are due to COVID (even the ones who died in car crashes), 1 million-ish / 750 million = IFR of 0.13% - the same as a pandemic flu for which we ended up doing nothing. That 1 million is rough (I'm not counting to the ones place...) and 750 million is the estimate for the entire world, so there will be some variation in the numbers when scaled down to the US cases and deaths - but the IFR will still be sub-1%. This is not a big deal, but a panicky WHO spreading a doom and gloom 3% IFR back in March, along with Imperial College models of bajillions dead (from a guy whose models have always been wrong), and a MSM that doesn't even bother doing the basic investigation, let alone being anywhere close to being marginally literate in science and math, and you get what we have here. |
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