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Post by Devoid on Nov 26, 2020 23:10:54 GMT
The link did just work, but now that page is nowhere to be found it seems...
The line graph was quite fuzzy and partially obscured. Couldn't find their original posting. Hopefully this will be addressed.
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Post by Devoid on Nov 26, 2020 23:18:00 GMT
The link did just work, but now that page is nowhere to be found it seems...
The line graph was quite fuzzy and partially obscured. Couldn't find their original posting. Hopefully this will be addressed.
Cache copy of the article (Thanks Google!)
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Post by Maxperson on Nov 26, 2020 23:52:09 GMT
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Post by 3catcircus on Nov 27, 2020 0:48:32 GMT
That article I linked to it from this week. I think I'll trust a researcher over cbs news. Or as the left likes to say, I'm trusting the science...
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Post by Maxperson on Nov 27, 2020 4:02:04 GMT
That article I linked to it from this week. I think I'll trust a researcher over cbs news. Or as the left likes to say, I'm trusting the science... All that means is that the numbers change a bit. It doesn't mean your faulty story is correct. Your story is entirely from this year and makes no comparison to other years. It NEEDS those comparisons in order to prove its claim that the numbers are the same as prior years. Claiming it without proof is not only not science. It's logic fail. The CBS article on the other hand does make the comparison and shows that we have had more deaths this year. But you're going to believe unsubstantiated claims over facts because they support your narrative like usually do, though.
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Post by 3catcircus on Dec 1, 2020 1:37:17 GMT
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Post by cyphersmith on Dec 1, 2020 16:42:00 GMT
So, other than proving that China had, indeed, given out inaccurate information, something anyone with a brain knew, what does this prove that you said?
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Post by 3catcircus on Dec 1, 2020 19:18:37 GMT
So, other than proving that China had, indeed, given out inaccurate information, something anyone with a brain knew, what does this prove that you said? Considering the fact that everyone was off the opinion that China "did it right" vs he Trump handled the pandemic, this pretty much shows that the only way they "did it right" was to lie about it and cover it up. That, and the more you test, the more cases you end up counting - which is what an open society like the US does. The only issue being that how cases were counted in the US was based on political needs rather than science.
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Post by kirinke on Dec 1, 2020 19:51:04 GMT
Yeah and Trump failed to do even that. Though he continues to lie about it and try to cover it up.
Seriously 3cat, when I can tear down your arguments with no effort, you don't have a leg to stand on.
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Post by 3catcircus on Dec 1, 2020 20:23:55 GMT
Yeah and Trump failed to do even that. Though he continues to lie about it and try to cover it up.
Seriously 3cat, when I can tear down your arguments with no effort, you don't have a leg to stand on.
The problem here is not with Trump and COVID. The problem here is your understanding of Trump and COVID. What part of "each state is responsible for their own response, but the Federal govt will support you" don't you get? This has always been each governor's responsibility to handle this as they deemed suitable, with the feds handling federal things. It just so happens that several governors fucked things up, killing thousands of vulnerable senior citizens in the process. Remind me again why the PA state sec of health pulled his own mother out of the nursing home she was in before sending covid positive people into them? Remind me again why Cuomo, Murphy, Whitmer, and Newsom did the same thing? Remind me why Mike DeWine is being brought up on impeachment charges. Remind me again of why all those field hospitals closed up without testing a single covid patient. Remind me why those poor overwhelmed healthcare workers had time to do tiktok dance videos... Remind me again why Dems criticized Trump for shutting down travelers from China, especially in light of what we all knew - that China continued to lie and cover up their outbreak which occurred starting months earlier. The only fault was not shutting down travelers from Europe because intel likely didn't know about the outbreak occurring earlier, resulting in sweatshop slaves returning to Italy after the lunar new year, bringing it with them. Remind me of the article about how the hospitals in Bergamo Italy enhanced the spread because of their protocols... Remind me why the WHO came out and said maybe lockdowns weren't such a great idea. Remind me why we've got evidence showing that the case counts, PCR cycle times, and positivity rates have been politicized. Remind me why a virus that is 99+% survivable needs a vaccine that is less than 95% effective? Remind me why you can't grasp the idea that all respiratory illnesses peak in the winter primarily because of air density and humidity, regardless of any other factors. Fact of the matter is you've always been unable to grasp basic science, basic mathematics, basic logic and reasoning. But you probably can't help it because you were likely educated in a liberal school district, where 2+2 = whatever you want it to and feelings and emotions are more valued than whether or not the outcome is correct.
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Post by kirinke on Dec 1, 2020 20:32:11 GMT
The buck stops at the top 3cat. The reason why the states "are responsible" is because Trump refused to take responsibility. With no direction and responsible leadership from the top, the Covid-19 response naturally floundered.
So yes, it is Trump's fault.
Bullshit, whining, lying and petty vindictiveness does not make for good leadership.
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Post by 3catcircus on Dec 1, 2020 20:38:50 GMT
The buck stops at the top 3cat. The reason why the states "are responsible" is because Trump refused to take responsibility. With no direction and responsible leadership from the top, the Covid-19 response naturally floundered.
So yes, it is Trump's fault.
You really don't understand how government works in the US, do you? States rights. Ever heard of them? One size does not fit all.
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Post by kirinke on Dec 1, 2020 21:05:10 GMT
Ever heard of responsible leadership and responsible messaging? Trump's actions or lack of actions lead to to the dismal Covid-19 response.
It is his fault.
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Post by cyphersmith on Dec 1, 2020 22:58:08 GMT
Yeah and Trump failed to do even that. Though he continues to lie about it and try to cover it up. Seriously 3cat, when I can tear down your arguments with no effort, you don't have a leg to stand on.
The problem here is not with Trump and COVID. The problem here is your understanding of Trump and COVID. What part of "each state is responsible for their own response, but the Federal govt will support you" don't you get? Which it never did, and was never going to do, under Trump. JFC, you're being stupid. A fuck ton of that shit wouldn't have happened with proper direction from the Federal government. This is full of bullshit, here. And incorrect information. Let's see, the China ban only banned Chinese people from coming to the US. What it didn't do was provide some method for controlling the travel of anyone else coming from China. Thus, the virus got in from China. Then, you're right about Europe. And, of course, you're forgetting that in all likelihood it was already here and spreading WAY before we were informed AT ALL about it. Your "evidence" for politicization is pretty much bogus, as is the rest of your bullshit here. Man, you're so fucking dense sometimes. There is NO school that teaches that way. God, for a Nuke, you're an idiot.
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Post by evileeyore on Dec 2, 2020 7:16:23 GMT
Remind me why a virus that is 99+% survivable needs a vaccine that is less than 95% effective? Because of the vast number of cases of people who were perfectly healthy before they contracted COVID are now suffering strokes (at 45 years old), suffering advanced memory lose, suffering from blood pressure spikes, etc. That despite getting it and getting over it with no problems, people are getting it again, with worse symptoms the second and third times around. That perfectly healthy and young people upon getting it third or fourth time are dying to it. The long tail on this disease will be bloody expensive in terms of lost lives, lost functionality of the survivors, and cost to the health care system. Parkinsons is terrible.
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