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Post by evileeyore on Dec 2, 2020 7:19:09 GMT
Man, you're so fucking dense sometimes. There is NO school that teaches that way. In 3cat's defense, 2+2=5 is the left's newest attack on the sciences, this time on the logical structure of math. Destructure math and they have the last keys to the science kingdom.
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Post by Eldorian on Dec 2, 2020 7:24:38 GMT
Not even the right answer, ee.
Because multiplication.
Apparently he only knows how to add.
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Post by evileeyore on Dec 2, 2020 8:10:05 GMT
Not even the right answer, ee. It's the one most likely to induce positive results.
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Post by 3catcircus on Dec 2, 2020 12:50:48 GMT
Remind me why a virus that is 99+% survivable needs a vaccine that is less than 95% effective? Because of the vast number of cases of people who were perfectly healthy before they contracted COVID are now suffering strokes (at 45 years old), suffering advanced memory lose, suffering from blood pressure spikes, etc. That despite getting it and getting over it with no problems, people are getting it again, with worse symptoms the second and third times around. That perfectly healthy and young people upon getting it third or fourth time are dying to it. The long tail on this disease will be bloody expensive in terms of lost lives, lost functionality of the survivors, and cost to the health care system. Parkinsons is terrible.The word vast doesn't mean what the doomsayers want it to mean... Since COVID has actually been out there since at least October 2019 and since there are vast (in the true sense of the meaning) numbers of people who no one knows had it because they were like "hey, I got the sniffles" before recovering, COVID is a relatively unimportant virus - for most people, it simply isn't that dangerous. But the rare, severe cases are the ones that get reported (with the "this person has co-morbidities" buried in the article) because they fit the narrative the media wants to portray. These cases are the equivalent of the weather guy faking the flooding standing in a boat while people casually walk in the background and you see it's only 2 inches of water... Is it dangerous for those with comorbidities or compromised immune systems? Yeah. You protect them. You quarantine those who are sick. You actually treat them at the first sign of infection instead of waiting until the disease has progressed to the point that you throw them into an ICU on a vent when treatment is futile. You don't declare treatments that anecdotally work to be verboten. You don't quarantine healthy people, restrict their social interactions or force them to wear masks (whose use has a dubious efficacy to begin with). You don't inflate case numbers for political purposes. You don't declare every death to have been caused by covid. You don't suppress scientific evidence that calls into question your narrative.
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Post by mustrumridcully on Dec 2, 2020 14:46:15 GMT
The buck stops at the top 3cat. The reason why the states "are responsible" is because Trump refused to take responsibility. With no direction and responsible leadership from the top, the Covid-19 response naturally floundered.
So yes, it is Trump's fault.
You really don't understand how government works in the US, do you? States rights. Ever heard of them? One size does not fit all. You're probably not familiar with German's Federal system, but it's actually the same here, each state has to make decisions based on Federal and National laws. And you know what - the Chancellor organized meetings with the presidents of the Federal states to work together. This helps find common solutions, enables the states to aid each other, and increases public acceptance of health measures.
But of course, this requires the Art of the Compromise, which has become American Lostech.
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Post by kirinke on Dec 2, 2020 15:03:15 GMT
That's generally how it's supposed to work here in the States. Congress gets with the President who then gets with the Governors, who then are supposed to work together to develop and execute reasonable plans, then they work with the local city and county officials to make it happen. Unfortunately, we have an idiot in the White House and spineless dick weasels in Congress who are enabling him that prevent this.
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Post by cyphersmith on Dec 2, 2020 16:52:14 GMT
Because of the vast number of cases of people who were perfectly healthy before they contracted COVID are now suffering strokes (at 45 years old), suffering advanced memory lose, suffering from blood pressure spikes, etc. That despite getting it and getting over it with no problems, people are getting it again, with worse symptoms the second and third times around. That perfectly healthy and young people upon getting it third or fourth time are dying to it. The long tail on this disease will be bloody expensive in terms of lost lives, lost functionality of the survivors, and cost to the health care system. Parkinsons is terrible.The word vast doesn't mean what the doomsayers want it to mean... Since COVID has actually been out there since at least October 2019 and since there are vast (in the true sense of the meaning) numbers of people who no one knows had it because they were like "hey, I got the sniffles" before recovering, COVID is a relatively unimportant virus - for most people, it simply isn't that dangerous. That's happening for most people who get it, yes. But about 20% who get it, with slight variations depending on age, end up in the hospital. It's not rare that it's severe enough to put someone in the hospital. It's also not rare that the symptoms last for a long time, even when it doesn't put them in the hospital. It's also not rare that some of the damage done is permanent. That's not how treatment works. Beyond that, there are many other things with symptoms similar to COVID-19. You have to know WHAT you're treating to know HOW to treat it. And people often move rapidly from needing hospitalization but doing well to needing a ventilator. Then there are people who need hospitalization, seem to recover, then rapidly decline. They don't wait to treat until they need to be in the ICU on a ventilator. That's just fucking absurd. When they fail time after time in studies, you do. Well, considering that a person is fucking contagious for DAYS before symptoms, yes, you do. And masks DO work. They know that the coronavirus CAN be fully airborne, but that it isn't usually. It is usually contained within water droplets that CAN and ARE mostly stopped by wearing masks. Not addressing the rest because it's conspiracy theory bullshit.
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Post by kirinke on Dec 2, 2020 19:58:29 GMT
In 3cat's eyes, if Trump supports it, it's true.
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Post by 3catcircus on Dec 15, 2020 23:03:08 GMT
I continue to be proven right time and time again... www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/covidview/index.htmlCDC quietly grouped COVID with pneumonia and influenza, aka "PIC," so they can continue to over-report everything as covid - something they've been doing since almost the beginning of this plandemic in order to inflate the mortality numbers.
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Post by cyphersmith on Dec 16, 2020 16:34:20 GMT
I continue to be proven right time and time again... www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/covidview/index.htmlCDC quietly grouped COVID with pneumonia and influenza, aka "PIC," so they can continue to over-report everything as covid - something they've been doing since almost the beginning of this plandemic in order to inflate the mortality numbers. Wanna give a real link? My browser didn't like the link, and when I tried copy/paste of the part shown I got a network error. EDIT: And now it works. Weird. And seriously, your wording shows me you're getting your shit from the conspiracy theory sites. I mean, plandemic? Really? That video was so much bullshit.
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Post by kirinke on Dec 16, 2020 16:57:08 GMT
Dunno. The link worked just fine for me. It is a real cdc website.
However, 3cat's sparsing of the information is usually incorrect.
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Post by 3catcircus on Dec 23, 2020 17:15:39 GMT
And yet again, I'm right. alachuachronicle.com/university-of-florida-researchers-find-no-asymptomatic-spread/I guess basic science (and those of us who actually learned something) continue to prove how stupid the rest of you sheeple are. Wanna wear a mask when you arent exhibiting symptoms of being sick? Be my guest. But don't tell the rest of us to do so. It's like the Japanese, who've been wearing masks for years *when they are sick*, actually paid attention in science class.
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Post by cyphersmith on Dec 23, 2020 18:32:01 GMT
And yet again, I'm right. alachuachronicle.com/university-of-florida-researchers-find-no-asymptomatic-spread/I guess basic science (and those of us who actually learned something) continue to prove how stupid the rest of you sheeple are. Wanna wear a mask when you arent exhibiting symptoms of being sick? Be my guest. But don't tell the rest of us to do so. It's like the Japanese, who've been wearing masks for years *when they are sick*, actually paid attention in science class. They mention the problem right there in the article. There were very few studies that actually checked that. Meaning that it's not very accurate. Did you notice the error rate? It's nearly 5%. Also, please put in the actual links.
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Post by 3catcircus on Dec 23, 2020 20:29:13 GMT
And yet again, I'm right. alachuachronicle.com/university-of-florida-researchers-find-no-asymptomatic-spread/I guess basic science (and those of us who actually learned something) continue to prove how stupid the rest of you sheeple are. Wanna wear a mask when you arent exhibiting symptoms of being sick? Be my guest. But don't tell the rest of us to do so. It's like the Japanese, who've been wearing masks for years *when they are sick*, actually paid attention in science class. They mention the problem right there in the article. There were very few studies that actually checked that. Meaning that it's not very accurate. Did you notice the error rate? It's nearly 5%. Also, please put in the actual links. The link is there. Just click on the text. Yes the error rate is a little high. Thee important part is: "The asymptomatic/presymptomatic secondary attack rate is not statistically different from zero, and the confidence interval is technically 0.7 ± 4.2, resulting in a range of -3.5%-4.9%, but attack rates cannot be negative, so it is truncated at 0." Even with the error rate, the chances of being infected by someone who is asymptomatic is essentially zero - which is exactly the same as how every other virus in the history of viral infections work - with the vast majority of people being infected by someone who is symptomatic or presymptomatic. They've looked at viral shedding of multiple other viruses over the years and these studies shed light on the fact that covid is not magic - it behaves like every other virus in regards to viral shedding transmission by asymptomatic carriers.
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Post by cyphersmith on Dec 23, 2020 20:33:11 GMT
They mention the problem right there in the article. There were very few studies that actually checked that. Meaning that it's not very accurate. Did you notice the error rate? It's nearly 5%. Also, please put in the actual links. The link is there. Just click on the text. Yes the error rate is a little high. Thee important part is: "The asymptomatic/presymptomatic secondary attack rate is not statistically different from zero, and the confidence interval is technically 0.7 ± 4.2, resulting in a range of -3.5%-4.9%, but attack rates cannot be negative, so it is truncated at 0." Even with the error rate, the chances of being infected by someone who is asymptomatic is essentially zero - which is exactly the same as how every other virus in the history of viral infections work - with the vast majority of people being infected by someone who is symptomatic or presymptomatic. They've looked at viral shedding of multiple other viruses over the years and these studies shed light on the fact that covid is not magic - it behaves like every other virus in regards to viral shedding transmission by asymptomatic carriers. See, you've used a word in there that makes your being against masks stupid. Presymptomatic. If you're presymptomatic, how do you know? You don't, but you're still spreading the virus. Thus, wear a fucking mask. This virus is tremendously dangerous, no matter what bullshit you're spouting. Wear the mask and do the social distancing thing.
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