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Post by Maxperson on Mar 22, 2021 0:12:19 GMT
See? Reasonable.
Wearing a mask won't kill you. Sure, it's a might uncomfortable if you don't get one that suits you, but hell, it's better than dying or causing somebody else to die due to your own selfishness.
If you're worried about getting COVID-19, wear a mask and get vaccinated, if you are not worried, then don't. Learn to take care of your own life and stop dictating what other people should do. Dumbass, wearing mask isn't for those who might get sick from Covid. It's to keep infected dumbasses like you from spreading it. It doesn't matter if YOU are worried or not, you should be wearing a mask so that you don't kill someone else with your retardedness. |
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Post by 3catcircus on Mar 22, 2021 1:59:12 GMT
If you're worried about getting COVID-19, wear a mask and get vaccinated, if you are not worried, then don't. Learn to take care of your own life and stop dictating what other people should do. Dumbass, wearing mask isn't for those who might get sick from Covid. It's to keep infected dumbasses like you from spreading it. It doesn't matter if YOU are worried or not, you should be wearing a mask so that you don't kill someone else with your retardedness. And again - no one ever worried about this when people have been spreading colds and flu for eons which leads to the elderly and immunocompromised being hospitalized and dying as a result. How many times have you gone out while suffering a cold over the years? You've probably killed someone as a result. |
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Post by Maxperson on Mar 22, 2021 2:18:48 GMT
Dumbass, wearing mask isn't for those who might get sick from Covid. It's to keep infected dumbasses like you from spreading it. It doesn't matter if YOU are worried or not, you should be wearing a mask so that you don't kill someone else with your retardedness. And again - no one ever worried about this when people have been spreading colds and flu for eons which leads to the elderly and immunocompromised being hospitalized and dying as a result. How many times have you gone out while suffering a cold over the years? You've probably killed someone as a result. False Equivalences are still false. Keep lying to yourself if it helps you sleep at night. |
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Post by evileeyore on Mar 22, 2021 2:45:04 GMT
And again - no one ever worried about this when people have been spreading colds and flu for eons which leads to the elderly and immunocompromised being hospitalized and dying as a result. How many times have you gone out while suffering a cold over the years? You've probably killed someone as a result. False Equivalences are still false. Keep lying to yourself if it helps you sleep at night. Actually, slow up, that one is dead on equivalent. How many have you murdered with your indifference by going out into public unmasked while suffering from a cold or flu? Now that "wear a mask" is the chant of the Karens everywhere, will you return to doing so once* COVID is defeated? * Presuming the globalists don't keep it going forever in order to continue reducing our freedoms. [/tinfoil hat wearing intensifies] |
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Post by Maxperson on Mar 22, 2021 6:35:49 GMT
False Equivalences are still false. Keep lying to yourself if it helps you sleep at night. Actually, slow up, that one is dead on equivalent. How many have you murdered with your indifference by going out into public unmasked while suffering from a cold or flu? Now that "wear a mask" is the chant of the Karens everywhere, will you return to doing so once* COVID is defeated? * Presuming the globalists don't keep it going forever in order to continue reducing our freedoms. [/tinfoil hat wearing intensifies] I don't go out in public with a flu, and colds, even with the elderly and infirm, aren't even remotely as deadly or contagious as Covid 19. It's not a dead on equivalence. 34k is a far cry from 542k. |
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Post by kirinke on Mar 22, 2021 11:09:58 GMT
Um.... People have always worried about colds and flues. Influenza especially is a known killer of the elderly and young.
We probably should have been wearing a mask while sick. Just nobody thought about it in the west until now. The Chinese and Japanese have been doing it forever.
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Post by 3catcircus on Mar 22, 2021 11:43:36 GMT
Actually, slow up, that one is dead on equivalent. How many have you murdered with your indifference by going out into public unmasked while suffering from a cold or flu? Now that "wear a mask" is the chant of the Karens everywhere, will you return to doing so once* COVID is defeated? * Presuming the globalists don't keep it going forever in order to continue reducing our freedoms. [/tinfoil hat wearing intensifies] I don't go out in public with a flu, and colds, even with the elderly and infirm, aren't even remotely as deadly or contagious as Covid 19. It's not a dead on equivalence. 34k is a far cry from 542k. Aren't even remotely? Tell that to my mother who caught a chest cold from someone that turned into an ICU stay on a ventilator before she died. She wasn't 90. She wasn't immunocompromised. I didn't call for all of Crystal River to mask up and lock down then and I'm sick of various places and various sheeple doing it now. Face facts - 99% of elected officials setting these unlawful edicts in place are doing so as a result of terrible medical advice from hacks who couldn't make it in competitive medicine - otherwise they'd be cutting during the morning and golfing in the afternoon like the competent ones instead of sitting in a dusty office with government-issued furniture (or being bribed or scamming people like Fugazi and Tedros). |
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Post by Maxperson on Mar 22, 2021 14:51:42 GMT
I don't go out in public with a flu, and colds, even with the elderly and infirm, aren't even remotely as deadly or contagious as Covid 19. It's not a dead on equivalence. 34k is a far cry from 542k. Aren't even remotely? Tell that to my mother who caught a chest cold from someone that turned into an ICU stay on a ventilator before she died. She wasn't 90. She wasn't immunocompromised. I didn't call for all of Crystal River to mask up and lock down then and I'm sick of various places and various sheeple doing it now. Face facts - 99% of elected officials setting these unlawful edicts in place are doing so as a result of terrible medical advice from hacks who couldn't make it in competitive medicine - otherwise they'd be cutting during the morning and golfing in the afternoon like the competent ones instead of sitting in a dusty office with government-issued furniture (or being bribed or scamming people like Fugazi and Tedros). Well, according to you her death doesn't matter since she was going to die anyway. And it's good that you didn't call for masks for something that isn't even remotely like what has been going on for the last year. |
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Post by cyphersmith on Mar 24, 2021 0:19:07 GMT
That's like saying it's not murder to shoot someone (against their will) who has a terminal disease because they're going to die soon anyway. That's pure bullshit. Doesn't make it not true. *So* many of the deaths attributed to COVID are associated with people who have multiple comorbidities. A 4th stage cancer patient is so immunocompromised that any opportunistic infection can take them out, for example, yet many places report those deaths as covid. In 2019, a cystic fibrosis patient who died from bacterial pneumonia or c. dificile after catching the flu would not have had flu listed as the cause of death. In 2020 - eh - it's covid what killed 'em... They would have probably been listed as having died from pneumonia, though I bet that they would have listed the flu as a contributing factor if, in fact, it WAS. Here's the thing I'm getting at. If you're hospitalized because of COVID-19 and you die, it's pretty certain that COVID-19 had something to do with that death. Sure, you might have had something that made it more likely that it would do so, but that doesn't mean that other thing killed you. I have a friend who is wheelchair capable, due to ALS. Her disease is progressing very slowly, so it will likely be years before she dies from it. If she gets COVID-19, it's highly likely to kill her. YOU'RE saying that in that case she died from ALS, and I'M saying that's bullshit, she would have died from COVID-19 (it's not likely for her to get it, because she doesn't go out, but it's still a worry). |
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Post by 3catcircus on Mar 24, 2021 2:01:52 GMT
Doesn't make it not true. *So* many of the deaths attributed to COVID are associated with people who have multiple comorbidities. A 4th stage cancer patient is so immunocompromised that any opportunistic infection can take them out, for example, yet many places report those deaths as covid. In 2019, a cystic fibrosis patient who died from bacterial pneumonia or c. dificile after catching the flu would not have had flu listed as the cause of death. In 2020 - eh - it's covid what killed 'em... They would have probably been listed as having died from pneumonia, though I bet that they would have listed the flu as a contributing factor if, in fact, it WAS. Here's the thing I'm getting at. If you're hospitalized because of COVID-19 and you die, it's pretty certain that COVID-19 had something to do with that death. Sure, you might have had something that made it more likely that it would do so, but that doesn't mean that other thing killed you. I have a friend who is wheelchair capable, due to ALS. Her disease is progressing very slowly, so it will likely be years before she dies from it. If she gets COVID-19, it's highly likely to kill her. YOU'RE saying that in that case she died from ALS, and I'M saying that's bullshit, she would have died from COVID-19 (it's not likely for her to get it, because she doesn't go out, but it's still a worry). The issue is that she (or anyone with comborbidities) is more susceptible to catching *any* respiratory disease - and I would expect them to be listed as contributory. With covid, however, all too often it is listed *as* the cause of death rather than a contributing factor, even when clearly not causing the death, or even in cases where the person caught covid but recovered and then later died of something unrelated within 30 days of the covid positive result. We've all seen the well-publicized examples of "he died of a car crash but tested positive for covid 3 weeks ago, so we're listing it as a covid death even though he recovered from it" and it's entirely disingenuous for anything to possibly claim that covid was the cause of death. |
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Post by Maxperson on Mar 24, 2021 6:29:42 GMT
They would have probably been listed as having died from pneumonia, though I bet that they would have listed the flu as a contributing factor if, in fact, it WAS. Here's the thing I'm getting at. If you're hospitalized because of COVID-19 and you die, it's pretty certain that COVID-19 had something to do with that death. Sure, you might have had something that made it more likely that it would do so, but that doesn't mean that other thing killed you. I have a friend who is wheelchair capable, due to ALS. Her disease is progressing very slowly, so it will likely be years before she dies from it. If she gets COVID-19, it's highly likely to kill her. YOU'RE saying that in that case she died from ALS, and I'M saying that's bullshit, she would have died from COVID-19 (it's not likely for her to get it, because she doesn't go out, but it's still a worry). The issue is that she (or anyone with comborbidities) is more susceptible to catching *any* respiratory disease - and I would expect them to be listed as contributory. With covid, however, all too often it is listed *as* the cause of death rather than a contributing factor, even when clearly not causing the death, or even in cases where the person caught covid but recovered and then later died of something unrelated within 30 days of the covid positive result. We've all seen the well-publicized examples of "he died of a car crash but tested positive for covid 3 weeks ago, so we're listing it as a covid death even though he recovered from it" and it's entirely disingenuous for anything to possibly claim that covid was the cause of death. Yes, we all know that a small fraction of Covid deaths were listed as Covid deaths fraudulently. However, even if we give you the over the top number of 10%, that still leaves 450k+ deaths, which is amazingly high. To put it in perspective, the 2018 flu season was 32,500 deaths. |
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Post by kirinke on Mar 24, 2021 11:13:16 GMT
Which also is a point of wearing masks. We probably should have been wearing masks before this started. So, wear the fucking mask. It won't kill you, hell if you get the right one, you'll forget you're wearing it.
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Post by 3catcircus on Mar 24, 2021 12:02:57 GMT
The issue is that she (or anyone with comborbidities) is more susceptible to catching *any* respiratory disease - and I would expect them to be listed as contributory. With covid, however, all too often it is listed *as* the cause of death rather than a contributing factor, even when clearly not causing the death, or even in cases where the person caught covid but recovered and then later died of something unrelated within 30 days of the covid positive result. We've all seen the well-publicized examples of "he died of a car crash but tested positive for covid 3 weeks ago, so we're listing it as a covid death even though he recovered from it" and it's entirely disingenuous for anything to possibly claim that covid was the cause of death. Yes, we all know that a small fraction of Covid deaths were listed as Covid deaths fraudulently. However, even if you give you the over the top number of 10%, that still leaves 450k+ deaths, which is amazingly high. To put it in perspective, the 2018 flu season was 32,500 deaths. 32,500 are an *estimated* number. We don't know how many actually died because we've never tested and counted every single person who exhibited flu-like symptoms. We model and estimate. Of more interest is whether or not the death from all causes statistic is significantly different than in prior years. The numbers aren't yet final, but it looks like that increase in the US was only 10%. When you compare that to polls last summer which saw respondents thinking that 33 million had *died* from covid in the US, and you start to understand that people generally have no concept of the fact that covid had been treated like ebola when it isn't anywhere near as fatal. You need to understand that every year, we'd record deaths from ILI, not knowing exactly what led to the death - flu test came back negative, was it HIB, strep, some strain of picornavirus? Unless it was a child, who knows, who cares? Cause of death = pneumonia. The statistics are not accurate - and they will never be. There are only degrees of close enough to reality to be useful. A very simple question: why were there so many less flu cases reported this season compared to last season? Was it because of masks and social distancing? If so, then why so many reported cases of covid? Either they work for both diseases or they don't work for either? The disparity between the reported cases of both viruses makes no sense on the most basic of levels unless because covid went out there and killed off it's hated rival influenza in a dark alley... There was no massive increase in flu vaccinations to 99+% of the population in 2020 - in the US, the increase was close to 3%. If people are spreading covid, they'll also be spreading flu and rhinovirus and HIB and other respiratory diseases. In the absence of other factors, if masks and social distancing work for covid they will work for other respiratory diseases. But there was no reported decline in covid - instead - the shape and peak in the curves for covid represent a typical cold and flu season. Even in places where the covid response was not mandatory masks and lockdowns, flu cases were almost nonexistent. The below is a really good article on why the "experts" in public health policy really have no idea of what they're doing in calling for masks and lockdowns - it raises several questions about the basic nature of virus transmission - especially regarding why has flu dropped but rhinovirus continued to infect people even with lockdowns and masking. Most interesting is the theory that rhinovirus infections could actually prevent someone from getting flu or covid. www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-03519-3 |
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Post by Maxperson on Mar 24, 2021 15:32:25 GMT
Yes, we all know that a small fraction of Covid deaths were listed as Covid deaths fraudulently. However, even if you give you the over the top number of 10%, that still leaves 450k+ deaths, which is amazingly high. To put it in perspective, the 2018 flu season was 32,500 deaths. 32,500 are an *estimated* number. We don't know how many actually died because we've never tested and counted every single person who exhibited flu-like symptoms. We model and estimate. Of more interest is whether or not the death from all causes statistic is significantly different than in prior years. The numbers aren't yet final, but it looks like that increase in the US was only 10%. When you compare that to polls last summer which saw respondents thinking that 33 million had *died* from covid in the US, and you start to understand that people generally have no concept of the fact that covid had been treated like ebola when it isn't anywhere near as fatal. You need to understand that every year, we'd record deaths from ILI, not knowing exactly what led to the death - flu test came back negative, was it HIB, strep, some strain of picornavirus? Unless it was a child, who knows, who cares? Cause of death = pneumonia. The statistics are not accurate - and they will never be. There are only degrees of close enough to reality to be useful. A very simple question: why were there so many less flu cases reported this season compared to last season? Was it because of masks and social distancing? If so, then why so many reported cases of covid? Either they work for both diseases or they don't work for either? The disparity between the reported cases of both viruses makes no sense on the most basic of levels unless because covid went out there and killed off it's hated rival influenza in a dark alley... There was no massive increase in flu vaccinations to 99+% of the population in 2020 - in the US, the increase was close to 3%. If people are spreading covid, they'll also be spreading flu and rhinovirus and HIB and other respiratory diseases. In the absence of other factors, if masks and social distancing work for covid they will work for other respiratory diseases. But there was no reported decline in covid - instead - the shape and peak in the curves for covid represent a typical cold and flu season. Even in places where the covid response was not mandatory masks and lockdowns, flu cases were almost nonexistent. The below is a really good article on why the "experts" in public health policy really have no idea of what they're doing in calling for masks and lockdowns - it raises several questions about the basic nature of virus transmission - especially regarding why has flu dropped but rhinovirus continued to infect people even with lockdowns and masking. Most interesting is the theory that rhinovirus infections could actually prevent someone from getting flu or covid. www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-03519-3Riiiiiiiiiight. They're going to be off the estimated number of 32,500 by 400k+  Yes, it's an estimate. Might be 31k. Might be 34k. It's in the ballpark, though. Dude. 10% is HUGE. That's still an increase of 285K over 2019. Which means that the 500k number is likely very close to correct. Other factors like driving deaths and such were down due to the shut downs. |
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Post by evileeyore on Mar 24, 2021 16:18:40 GMT
A very simple question: why were there so many less flu cases reported this season compared to last season? I forget the term, and I'm too lazy to bother looking it up, but there is a thing where a 'superior' virus actually reduces the impact of lesser viruses. It's happened before with the Swine and Avian flu, when they sweep through Asia regular influenza drops off, like off a cliff 'drops off'. I was reading scientifical articles about it last year right around Marchish, if I recall correctly. |
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