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Post by kirinke on Mar 25, 2021 23:43:40 GMT
An opinion article is hardly proof.
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Post by 3catcircus on Apr 3, 2021 15:08:47 GMT
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33532807/And more proof I've always been right about this. 4.6% of Americans got COVID and recovered before the first wave even hit... Proof again that covid has been around a lot longer than the government is telling you, and with nearly 5x as many cases as officially recorded. Coupled with evidence of viral competition in prior years (hint, only a small majority of ILI every year is actually caused by influenza while most viruses causing ILI symptoms are never actually identified), proof again that covid-19 is gonna be another no big deal cold and flu season virus.
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Post by Maxperson on Apr 3, 2021 22:22:08 GMT
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33532807/And more proof I've always been right about this. 4.6% of Americans got COVID and recovered before the first wave even hit... Proof again that covid has been around a lot longer than the government is telling you, and with nearly 5x as many cases as officially recorded. Coupled with evidence of viral competition in prior years (hint, only a small majority of ILI every year is actually caused by influenza while most viruses causing ILI symptoms are never actually identified), proof again that covid-19 is gonna be another no big deal cold and flu season virus. So, anyone with half a brain knew it was hear earlier, and it doesn't matter how many got it. It only matters how many died from it. Your Red Herrings remain red. |
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Post by 3catcircus on Apr 3, 2021 22:34:17 GMT
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33532807/And more proof I've always been right about this. 4.6% of Americans got COVID and recovered before the first wave even hit... Proof again that covid has been around a lot longer than the government is telling you, and with nearly 5x as many cases as officially recorded. Coupled with evidence of viral competition in prior years (hint, only a small majority of ILI every year is actually caused by influenza while most viruses causing ILI symptoms are never actually identified), proof again that covid-19 is gonna be another no big deal cold and flu season virus. So, anyone with half a brain knew it was hear earlier, and it doesn't matter how many got it. It only matters how many died from it. Your Red Herrings remain red. You really don't get it, do you. With almost 5x was many people getting it as compared to the official number, it means the IFR and CFR are an order of magnitude lower - which makes it no more fatal than influenza. Total numbers *do not matter*. What matters is rate. These findings make it clear that had we done *nothing* we'd have ended up with the same total number of cases as compared to all of the health theater. |
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Post by Maxperson on Apr 4, 2021 2:16:10 GMT
So, anyone with half a brain knew it was hear earlier, and it doesn't matter how many got it. It only matters how many died from it. Your Red Herrings remain red. You really don't get it, do you. With almost 5x was many people getting it as compared to the official number, it means the IFR and CFR are an order of magnitude lower - which makes it no more fatal than influenza. Total numbers *do not matter*. What matters is rate. These findings make it clear that had we done *nothing* we'd have ended up with the same total number of cases as compared to all of the health theater. I get it completely. 500k+ people died because of Covid. End of story. That's waaaaaaaaaaaay too many to not wear masks and do everything we can to minimize things. As for your third rate conclusion, these finding do not make it clear that we'd have had the same number of deaths had we done nothing. Only an abject moron could think that, since the things we did DO reduce the likelihood of catching contagious illnesses. That's a fact. Just how effective is the only thing we don't know for sure. What the findings make clear is that there were a significant number of Covid deaths that got misdiagnosed, because we didn't know about it yet. |
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Post by 3catcircus on Apr 4, 2021 12:08:04 GMT
You really don't get it, do you. With almost 5x was many people getting it as compared to the official number, it means the IFR and CFR are an order of magnitude lower - which makes it no more fatal than influenza. Total numbers *do not matter*. What matters is rate. These findings make it clear that had we done *nothing* we'd have ended up with the same total number of cases as compared to all of the health theater. I get it completely. 500k+ people died because of Covid. End of story. That's waaaaaaaaaaaay too many to not wear masks and do everything we can to minimize things. As for your third rate conclusion, these finding do not make it clear that we'd have had the same number of deaths had we done nothing. Only an abject moron could think that, since the things we did DO reduce the likelihood of catching contagious illnesses. That's a fact. Just how effective is the only thing we don't know for sure. What the findings make clear is that there were a significant number of Covid deaths that got misdiagnosed, because we didn't know about it yet. 500k died. So what? NOBODY CARES! |
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Post by kirinke on Apr 4, 2021 12:09:53 GMT
3cat just doesn't like the idea of wearing masks, hand washing, social distancing or getting vaccines. You know, basic common sense health measures that we should all take in a fucking pandemic.
Actually alot of people care. The fact that you don't tells us alot about your own moral compass. Or lack there-of. I guess all the shit you sniffed from Trump's behind while your nose was firmly planted there has rotted that away.
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Post by Maxperson on Apr 4, 2021 16:19:20 GMT
I get it completely. 500k+ people died because of Covid. End of story. That's waaaaaaaaaaaay too many to not wear masks and do everything we can to minimize things. As for your third rate conclusion, these finding do not make it clear that we'd have had the same number of deaths had we done nothing. Only an abject moron could think that, since the things we did DO reduce the likelihood of catching contagious illnesses. That's a fact. Just how effective is the only thing we don't know for sure. What the findings make clear is that there were a significant number of Covid deaths that got misdiagnosed, because we didn't know about it yet. 500k died. So what? NOBODY CARES! Good God, you're a complete idiot. You're so out of touch with reality that you think that more than half of the United States doesn't count. Look, you may not have cared when your mother died, but don't mistake your sociopathy for the norm. |
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Post by 3catcircus on Apr 4, 2021 16:39:17 GMT
500k died. So what? NOBODY CARES! Good God, you're a complete idiot. You're so out of touch with reality that you think that more than half of the United States doesn't count. Look, you may not have cared when your mother died, but don't mistake your sociopathy for the norm. 500k is nothing - you really have no ideas how many people die every year, do you? It's no more than a 10% impact. It's miniscule in the big scheme of things, but you feel free to keep on living in fear. *Every* person I know who has gotten covid has lived to tell the tale - even the ones in their 70s. My son was arm-in-arm with someone who later got sick and tested positive - without catching it from him. I'll trust my anecdotal evidence, tempered by common sense and a quality education in science, over the rantings of "experts" with ulterior motives. |
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Post by Maxperson on Apr 4, 2021 18:22:10 GMT
Good God, you're a complete idiot. You're so out of touch with reality that you think that more than half of the United States doesn't count. Look, you may not have cared when your mother died, but don't mistake your sociopathy for the norm. 500k is nothing - you really have no ideas how many people die every year, do you? It's no more than a 10% impact. It's miniscule in the big scheme of things, but you feel free to keep on living in fear. *Every* person I know who has gotten covid has lived to tell the tale - even the ones in their 70s. My son was arm-in-arm with someone who later got sick and tested positive - without catching it from him. I'll trust my anecdotal evidence, tempered by common sense and a quality education in science, over the rantings of "experts" with ulterior motives. Sure I do, and a massive increase is not only not "nothing," but any death is a horrible thing. Even one. You're a fucking sociopath if you believe otherwise, as your "500k is nothing" statement evidences. |
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Post by cyphersmith on Apr 4, 2021 21:39:13 GMT
Good God, you're a complete idiot. You're so out of touch with reality that you think that more than half of the United States doesn't count. Look, you may not have cared when your mother died, but don't mistake your sociopathy for the norm. 500k is nothing - you really have no ideas how many people die every year, do you? It's no more than a 10% impact. It's miniscule in the big scheme of things, but you feel free to keep on living in fear. *Every* person I know who has gotten covid has lived to tell the tale - even the ones in their 70s. My son was arm-in-arm with someone who later got sick and tested positive - without catching it from him. I'll trust my anecdotal evidence, tempered by common sense and a quality education in science, over the rantings of "experts" with ulterior motives. Wow, that is very lacking in empathy. And really, many more would have died had we not done masks and social distancing. Let's say, lowballing it here, that the number infected would have been 20% higher (that's way low, btw). That would be an additional 100,000 deaths at least, something you would say is nothing even though it's double the norm for a flu season. But hospitalizations would have been 20% higher as well. There were periods where many hospitals were at capacity. Where would those extra 20% have gone? Could they have been put in other hospitals? Maybe, if there were any that had room. But with a 20% increase in hospitalizations, there would have been much less available room. That would certainly have bumped up the death toll. By a lot. There were something like 5-10 times as many hospitalizations as deaths. If even 10% of those couldn't have been hospitalized and therefore died, the number of extra deaths on the low end of that would have been another 50,000. That would put the total at more than 10 times a normal flu season. If you think that's still not a lot, consider that the numbers I started with are LOW. If you still don't have a problem with it, the others are right and you're a sociopath. |
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Post by kirinke on Apr 4, 2021 23:06:18 GMT
Nah. Sociopaths are at least charming. 3cat is just an evil, selfish dick.
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Post by 3catcircus on Apr 4, 2021 23:47:27 GMT
500k is nothing - you really have no ideas how many people die every year, do you? It's no more than a 10% impact. It's miniscule in the big scheme of things, but you feel free to keep on living in fear. *Every* person I know who has gotten covid has lived to tell the tale - even the ones in their 70s. My son was arm-in-arm with someone who later got sick and tested positive - without catching it from him. I'll trust my anecdotal evidence, tempered by common sense and a quality education in science, over the rantings of "experts" with ulterior motives. Wow, that is very lacking in empathy. And really, many more would have died had we not done masks and social distancing. Let's say, lowballing it here, that the number infected would have been 20% higher (that's way low, btw). That would be an additional 100,000 deaths at least, something you would say is nothing even though it's double the norm for a flu season. But hospitalizations would have been 20% higher as well. There were periods where many hospitals were at capacity. Where would those extra 20% have gone? Could they have been put in other hospitals? Maybe, if there were any that had room. But with a 20% increase in hospitalizations, there would have been much less available room. That would certainly have bumped up the death toll. By a lot. There were something like 5-10 times as many hospitalizations as deaths. If even 10% of those couldn't have been hospitalized and therefore died, the number of extra deaths on the low end of that would have been another 50,000. That would put the total at more than 10 times a normal flu season. If you think that's still not a lot, consider that the numbers I started with are LOW. If you still don't have a problem with it, the others are right and you're a sociopath. Applying probablistic risk assessment principles makes me rational rather than a sociopath. |
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Post by Maxperson on Apr 5, 2021 0:00:39 GMT
Wow, that is very lacking in empathy. And really, many more would have died had we not done masks and social distancing. Let's say, lowballing it here, that the number infected would have been 20% higher (that's way low, btw). That would be an additional 100,000 deaths at least, something you would say is nothing even though it's double the norm for a flu season. But hospitalizations would have been 20% higher as well. There were periods where many hospitals were at capacity. Where would those extra 20% have gone? Could they have been put in other hospitals? Maybe, if there were any that had room. But with a 20% increase in hospitalizations, there would have been much less available room. That would certainly have bumped up the death toll. By a lot. There were something like 5-10 times as many hospitalizations as deaths. If even 10% of those couldn't have been hospitalized and therefore died, the number of extra deaths on the low end of that would have been another 50,000. That would put the total at more than 10 times a normal flu season. If you think that's still not a lot, consider that the numbers I started with are LOW. If you still don't have a problem with it, the others are right and you're a sociopath. Applying probablistic risk assessment principles makes me rational rather than a sociopath. No. You're just a sociopathic ass. Someone who is simply applying risk assessment principles still has empathy. You don't. |
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Post by cyphersmith on Apr 5, 2021 2:55:45 GMT
Wow, that is very lacking in empathy. And really, many more would have died had we not done masks and social distancing. Let's say, lowballing it here, that the number infected would have been 20% higher (that's way low, btw). That would be an additional 100,000 deaths at least, something you would say is nothing even though it's double the norm for a flu season. But hospitalizations would have been 20% higher as well. There were periods where many hospitals were at capacity. Where would those extra 20% have gone? Could they have been put in other hospitals? Maybe, if there were any that had room. But with a 20% increase in hospitalizations, there would have been much less available room. That would certainly have bumped up the death toll. By a lot. There were something like 5-10 times as many hospitalizations as deaths. If even 10% of those couldn't have been hospitalized and therefore died, the number of extra deaths on the low end of that would have been another 50,000. That would put the total at more than 10 times a normal flu season. If you think that's still not a lot, consider that the numbers I started with are LOW. If you still don't have a problem with it, the others are right and you're a sociopath. Applying probablistic risk assessment principles makes me rational rather than a sociopath. Seriously, can you even recognize that the number of deaths in the last year (and this is before estimates that will bring the numbers up) from COVID are the third highest cause of death, and that those numbers I mentioned above would have put it at the top? And don't pull out that bullshit about the count being high. It's fucking not. There are many more than 500,000 deaths in the past year more than could be expected in a normal year. How can you seriously believe that they weren't caused by COVID. And of course, everything you say about COVID is almost always about death rate, not hospitalization rate, or the fact that COVID can permanently effect organs in your body such as your heart, lungs, kidneys, and your circulatory system. That pneumonia isn't in any way the only way that it kills. It can cause blood clots that can give you a stroke or heart attack no matter your age. Also a huge portion of people who are hospitalized, and many who were not, have symptoms from it lasting months. Some who had it a year ago are still suffering from some of the symptoms of it. Death isn't the only thing this virus does. |
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