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Post by zappo on Apr 14, 2021 15:04:27 GMT
Is it possible you caught it *before* visiting the factory that day? Vanishingly unlikely: I only stopped for gas, it was an automated station, and I used sanitizer after using it. As for the rest, there's no way to know for sure. Some people were not using masks correctly, but maybe I caught it from contact and it would have made no difference. The only thing I know for sure is that I got it from someone who looked perfectly healthy. |
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Post by 3catcircus on Apr 14, 2021 15:32:46 GMT
Is it possible you caught it *before* visiting the factory that day? Vanishingly unlikely: I only stopped for gas, it was an automated station, and I used sanitizer after using it. As for the rest, there's no way to know for sure. Some people were not using masks correctly, but maybe I caught it from contact and it would have made no difference. The only thing I know for sure is that I got it from someone who looked perfectly healthy. And I guess that's the rub - you'll never know who you caught it from. While you indicated there were healthy-looking people who weren't wearing masks correctly and one other person caught it, it's certainly possible that *you* brought it there unknowingly or that the other person you mentioned brought it unknowingly. While 5-6 days is the typical time to first symptoms, there is no real way to be sure. In fact, there are literally an unknown number of people who caught covid and never even knew they had it to begin with - some asymptomatic and some with symptoms so mild they assumed it was a cold or allergies. One person I know caught it and they only know they caught it because they were told they were exposed to someone who tested positive. She said that if she wasn't told, and would have just assumed that she was suffering from a migraine that lasted a couple of days. My son was arm-in-arm for over an hour with another teenager who developed symptoms the next day. We tested him on day 5 - negative. Friends of ours felt like crap for 2 weeks last year in February. They later got tested in May only to discover they had antibodies. The effects of covid are, for most sufferers, not requiring hospitalization, yet the media portrays this as if every person who catches it is going to end up in a hospital on a ventilator. People need to effectively asseess their risk, not blindly follow contradictory guidance from governments advised by experts whose only expertise is self-promotion. 80 year old pensioner with COPD - yeah - high risk; 40 year old with diabetes - medium-high risk. 69 year old marathon runner - pretty low risk. 25 year old who isn't a couch potato - very low risk. |
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Post by zappo on Apr 14, 2021 18:02:31 GMT
And I guess that's the rub - you'll never know who you caught it from. While you indicated there were healthy-looking people who weren't wearing masks correctly and one other person caught it, it's certainly possible that *you* brought it there unknowingly or that the other person you mentioned brought it unknowingly. While 5-6 days is the typical time to first symptoms, there is no real way to be sure. Not really. I mean, I don't know who specifically I got it from, but it was certainly someone there. My job does not involve very many trips even in normal conditions, and I usually work from home - even more so this last year. As a result, I had literally not been outside my house for 5 days before the trip, nor for the 5 days it took me to show symptoms after the trip. In order for me to have caught it elsewhere, I'd have to have caught it either at a shop till where I stayed for less than 5 minutes and used hand sanitizer, or by someone just passing me by on the sidewalk, and then I'd have had not to show symptoms for 11 days after infection - that's a vanishingly unlikely combination of events. My wife goes out to buy groceries (she was working from home at the time), but she was tested negative. She'd have to have caught it while just buying groceries, then infect me, and then get negative again shortly before getting tested. That's also a vanishingly unlikely sequence of events; the time frames are just too tight to be plausible. The factory, on the other hand, is the place where I spent by far the most time around anyone else, and it's smack in the middle of the most likely incubation period. Basically, my situation is a perfect storm of evidence pointing at that trip. And if it's that trip, it was an asymptomatic carrier. On top of that, a collaborator who went there a few times after me... also caught it, with symptoms five days after being there. He goes around more than me, though, so it's not as straightforward. |
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Post by kirinke on Apr 15, 2021 11:30:23 GMT
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Post by 3catcircus on Apr 16, 2021 11:45:41 GMT
Yeah, because suddenly in 2020 humans no longer have an immune system that can co-evolve - after co-evolving with respiratory viruses for as long as there have been breathing animals on earth... |
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Post by Maxperson on Apr 16, 2021 13:35:34 GMT
They said to social distance, practice proper hygiene, wear a mask (properly) and get fucking vaccinated. My personal addition is: The safest bet is always assume the asshole next to you is infected and act accordingly. And there's the problem. Who is "they" and why are you so willing to follow "their" guidance with blind obedience? I'm betting that if Fauci recommended people smear dogshit all over themselves, you'd be following around dog owners all day long. This isn't a hard concept: trust but verify. Maintain a questioning attitude. Read and understand scientific publications instead of listening to newsreaders and talking head pundits who are only expert at self-promotion. "They" is WHO, the CDC and other infectious disease experts. |
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Post by Maxperson on Apr 16, 2021 13:40:27 GMT
Yeah, because suddenly in 2020 humans no longer have an immune system that can co-evolve - after co-evolving with respiratory viruses for as long as there have been breathing animals on earth... Dumbfuck, nobody made that Strawman claim. Immune systems don't evolve that quickly or by osmosis, so you'll still get obscene death rates without preventative techniques like the mask and a vaccine. With them, you still get the incredibly bad results that we've seen. The shit demon in Dogma didn't wear a mask. Don't be a shit demon. Wear a mask. |
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Post by kirinke on Apr 17, 2021 12:57:18 GMT
Evolution doesn't work that way.
How vaccines (for Covid-19) work
A basic introduction to the immune system
The immune system
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Post by evileeyore on May 6, 2021 3:17:24 GMT
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Post by 3catcircus on May 6, 2021 12:39:45 GMT
Once again, I'm sure I'll be proven correct in that will eventually see that this was a lab escape - from a lab funded by Fauci and others to conduct gain of function testing that they aren't allowed to do in the US and other western countries. I think we'll eventually discover the duplicitous nature of Fauci's involvement, as well as that of other co-conspirators. |
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Post by kirinke on May 7, 2021 1:44:33 GMT
Nail Bunny, when will you learn, not to fucking encourage 3cat's QAnon shit?
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Post by evileeyore on May 7, 2021 8:11:41 GMT
Nail Bunny, when will you learn, not to fucking encourage 3cat's QAnon shit? When will you learn that just because you disagree with something doesn't mean it's a weirdo right-wing conspiracy. Maybe try reading the article and taking in information that isn't leftist propaganda. |
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Post by 3catcircus on May 7, 2021 13:55:34 GMT
Nail Bunny, when will you learn, not to fucking encourage 3cat's QAnon shit? When will you learn that just because you disagree with something doesn't mean it's a weirdo right-wing conspiracy. Maybe try reading the article and taking in information that isn't leftist propaganda. Yep. A reading of the article shows that the author presents *multiple* scenarios - not just lab escape vs. wet market. That he carefully picks apart all scenarios is enough for any competent reader to recognize there is no tinfoil-hattedness involved. I'm guessing she couldn't understand the first paragraph, let alone the entire article... |
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Post by kirinke on May 7, 2021 22:04:20 GMT
No, I was responding to your Fauci QAnon crap.
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Post by 3catcircus on May 7, 2021 22:09:36 GMT
No, I was responding to your Fauci QAnon crap. If you'd have been able to comprehend the article, you'd know that the Wuhan virology lab was funded by a grant from the NIAID. I'll let you figure out who runs the NIAID. |
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