I got a fever and the only prescription is more cowbell...

"People". I like how the Biden Administration is now just "people" and not "the authorities". My point here is, the people who were saying "herd immunity is impossible because it's cross-transmissible with animals" were declared "wrong" and "misinformation spreaders" by the authorities, the same authorities who were still saying it up till a few months ago.

Thus, "everyone needs to be vaccinated for herd immunity" has always been a lie, one the authorities knew was false, but they used it to to justify the vaccine being pushed through the FDA faster and tried to use it to push vaccine mandates through.

No I do get it. You're backing the authoritarian push to force vaccines on everyone, even those who don't need them (the recovered) as a shameless grab for more social power.

Body autonomy. If someone would prefer to catch COVID and recover rather than get the jab, it's their right. And if someone would prefer to avoid catching COVID and avoid getting the jab, and risk catching it later and flipping that coin, again their right.

Those who want the vaccine should be free to get it, those who don't want it should be free not to.

No. I simply disagree that forcing everyone to "vaccine up" is the wrong direction. That's authoritarianism (it's fascism kirinke, why are you backing fascism, kirinke?) and I prefer people to have their own choices, yes this includes the right for business to require masks while in their shops, but not the power for the state to mandate people cannot see their dying loved ones, cannot gather and assemble^[1] (!!!!) freely, and force people to wear masks in public (especially as the masks have never prevented transmissibility of COVID, but please wear them it's cutting down on other illnesses you diseased sewer rats).

1 - But yet BLM and anti-police protesters were free to gather, assemble, burn, loot, murder, rape, etc all summer long... but New York Jews weren't allowed to celebrate holy days? Smells like antisemitism Deblasio... (yes I know, no one but approved BLM riots protests were allowed to congregate in New York during the lockdowns, it wasn't just the Jews...)

I'd rather have gotten chicken pox as a kid (when we didn't have a vaccine), than as an adult (remember we didn't know a vaccine was coming). Though I agree, now that we have a vaccine, Pox parties may be safely relegated to the past. But I wouldn't demand the Amish stop the practice, because you know, not a fascist like the Democratic Party...

No it's accurate. Unlike you I remember the lies that Fauci told, how the vaccine would eliminate COVID, "two weeks to flatten the curve", etc. That's what I'm referring to, y'all were sold a bag of goods and you're still happy with it. I wasn't happy with it then, I pointed out the lies and I was calling out "alternate truth" (which was actual truth and has been, slowly, little by little backed by even the current administration) all along. I'm really shocked 3cat isn't in here doing victory laps around y'all, but I suspect he's just too busy.

That is all true, and yet, because Fauci lied so much, he's destroyed the "medical authorities" ability to sway the populace that are political unaligned with the current administration.

Not that it helped much when he was backed by Trump, but at least then it was just the anti-vaxxers and anti-authority types rebelling... now even those who were "yass queening" right along because of Trump have started to denounce any new "medical announcements" because Biden's admin is 'behind them damn lies".

Trust me, I live with a Trumpeteer and the shift from "we have be paranoid about the disease at all times like Fauci says" to "fuck Fauci and Biden's lies" has been truly wild.

And abortions kill human beings. But yet...

And who are they endangering?  The vaccinated still get and spread COVID, they just (generally) recover faster and with less possibility of side-effects, so the jab doesn't even stop them from spreading it.  No herd immunity means just that, no herd immunity.

And you're still swallowing Big Pharma's bs about "there are only two side, the vaccinated and the unvaccinated and you don't want to be a filthy disease carrying unvaccinated now do you?"

There is a third group, the recovered who don't need and will barely benefit from the jab.  But that fact doesn't bring Big Pharma it's record profits... best to just mandate that everyone has to bow down and get the jab.

Actually we don't. Not federally. And (I might be wrong here but my drive-by research suggests I'm not) we don't "require" them at the state level either. Public schools require them, and it can be argued that's a state mandate, but you don't have to put your kids in public school, there are other options that avoid that "requirement". And it's even a soft requirement as there are non-medical exemptions.

That was the initial lie. That cloth masks were 98% (or some other ludicrously inflated number) effective at stopping the spread of the virus. Which they aren't, they're barely effective at all at stopping the spread of COVID.  I'm not against wearing a mask, as I've said repeatedly (for other diseases like the flu that cloth masks will help significantly against), it's the lying that is the problem. And it's not "science has changed", it's Fauci has outright admitted repeatedly "misleading the public for it's own good".

It's that "liberal elitism" has that has the lower and middle class finally snapping back in force.

That they were allowed to assemble without being screamed at about "no large gatherings because of COVID!1!1!" but religious groups couldn't gather in smaller numbers, even outdoors, for worship? That loved ones had to die alone while thousands of BLM protesters marched cheek and jowl? That Jews were being arrested for trying to assemble, out doors with social distancing but one specific group of protesters could run rampant?

Are you really trying to question the veracity of that fact?

The lies that Fauci has walked backed and declared were for "our own good" (as well as the ones he's just refused to address):

• Cloth mask efficacy was touted as way higher than it is so the public wouldn't hoard N95 masks.  Fauci directly admitted to this lie.
• "Two weeks to flatten the curve" so people would shelter indoors and not overrun the hospitals (and how did that work out?)? Florida mostly ignored Fuaci's more extreme demands, and while our peaks have been high we've never hit Cali or New York numbers.  Also we didn't murder our elderly like Cuomo.
• "The vaccine will make you practically immune", but oh, wait, we didn't predict the third and fourth variants (despite bunches of virologists's warning about it from day one) so now you have to have booster forever.  Again Fauci walked this one back with a "well it was so everyone would get vaccinated".  Let's just ignore that from day one virologists were saying vaccination was only necessary for those who weren't healthy...
• It can't possibly be from a lab. Despite Fauci personally being financially connected to the lab in question and now even the WHO is saying it was probably a lab accident. No Fauci hasn't and I doubt will ever walk back his assertions that it "couldn't possibly in any way be from a lab because they weren't even studying that stuff there" (they were) "and if they were, China has great safety records" (it doesn't', it has terrible safety records) "and I'm not connected to that lab at all" (he was).
• The duality of "BLM protesters are safe to gather in massive numbers because they're outdoors" but yet "no one else should ever gather in large numbers outdoors because you'll spread COVID you filthy basketful of deplorables".

And yet Fauci (and the Biden Admin) somehow believes people who aren't Branch COVIDians will still 'listen and believe' him?

(It doesn't help when you have Lefties like Pelosi, Kuehl, Newsom, and Breed flaunting the very rules they are implementing and demanding everyone else follow.)

That belongs in the Biden/Harris Administration bashing thread sir. It's completely down to the Biden Admin not enforcing that prerequisite of the sweet-heart deal Trump signed.  And yeah, no doubt he'd have rolled over for Big Pharma too, but you know what?  He's not in office, this is all on Biden's hands.

No, it went away because Fauci ruined his reputation by lying repeatedly and the Left has spent the last two years trying to smear and defame the very groups now being proven to have been correct all along, because the Leftist Authoritarians couldn't stand to have their social credibility undermined in any fashion... and now they have no social credibility left.

Really? Pulling a kirinke and ignoring what people are directly telling you is the problem?  Pull your head out of your ass and listen to those who are now rebelling and who weren't for the last two years.   You'll hear the same thing I'm hearing, "the admin is (and has been) lying because they're in Big Pharma's pocket".

After having had their freedom of information request denied, then being forced to sue the NIH, the Intercept finally received a 300+ page report on coronavirus origins.

More than 90% was completely redacted. Of the remaining 10%, even this was partially redacted.

link

Here's page 2 of the synopsis, for your viewing pleasure:



Oh? There's nothing there?

Don't worry. There's nothing to hide, and everything is completely above board.

- Yours faithfully, A. Fauci

This. So much so. We need hacked up bodies and rivers of blood of all of the elitists, experts, government authorities, oligarchs. All of them.

I think it's been pretty uncontroversial for a while that cloth masks have very limited (not zero) efficacy; as the article points out, the main problem with them is that they confer a false sense of security on people - but even very early studies showed that social distancing should still be maintained when wearing masks.

The only real benefit of cloth masks - and scarves, for that matter - is to limit rapid kinetic dispersal of particles from coughing and sneezing by people who are already symptomatic.

When I was living in the 'States, I was working in healthcare - in a skilled nursing facility - when the pandemic struck. The facility was immediately split into two sections, and we began accepting Covid patients: there were massive State cash incentives involved in this decision. This was in March of 2020, and everyone was scared shitless, but it was understood from the get-go that the N95 was the only really useful protection for those who were working the Covid ward, and because of supply issues, it was reserved for those in close proximity to those patients. We had a rolling population of around 40-50 Covid patients for around 4 months. The two workforces were kept completely separate, and everyone was tested twice weekly - each test was around $200 a pop at the beginning of the pandemic; we were spending $80k per week on testing alone.

N95s suck to wear every day for weeks or months. You get horrible welts on your face. The KN95 is much more forgiving.

Sure, but that's because whoever is going to be vaccinated at this point will have been vaccinated already, and because the 99.x% dominant strain - omicron - is both highly virulent and has relatively minor symptoms. It's why a lot of countries are no longer prepared to sink resources like that. Everyone is hoping it will settle into an endemic seasonal flu.

But that wasn't the case in the beginning.




In part. Lockdowns proved largely ineffective - although had they been implemented immediately, and with more vigor, that might have proved different as well. Mask-wearing and vaccination became much more politicized in the USA than elsewhere. And the per capita death rate was unreasonably high - and not just because of "pre-existing conditions," i.e. mostly fat people.

I don't believe that the efforts to slow the spread of the virus were made entirely in bad faith. Sure, there was posturing, and the inevitable result of a profit-driven healthcare model, and lots of ignorance - which is only really viewable with hindsight. There was a genuine fear that hospital wards would have been inundated had the spread not been slowed. I agree that measuring the catastrophic consequences of a pandemic left to quickly run its course, versus the long-term health consequences of the economic catastrophe are probably impossible to measure. But I think the moral cost of letting thousands of people simply die is unpalatable to me.



It only takes 2 minutes to learn how to fit and use a mask, where not to touch it etc. We used masking tape to seal surgical masks to prevent leakage. But most people are simply unwilling to endure the inconvenience and I think this hits to heart of the matter rather more closely.



I think that's overly cynical, although my larger concern is also the sheer amount of data that has been collected, and by whom, and for what.