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Post by kirinke on Jan 11, 2021 13:50:48 GMT
Bullshit. He is and that's an opinion piece dude.
And there were no antifa at the fucking DC tantrum. It was a cop.
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Post by 3catcircus on Jan 11, 2021 14:04:46 GMT
Bullshit. He is and that's an opinion piece dude. And there were no antifa at the fucking DC tantrum. It was a cop. It's obvious you are too stupid to understand that 1. Antifa generally wear a "uniform" of all black when not being discreet. 2. They encourage each other to blend in when trying to infiltrate conservative gatherings before engaging in violence. We have incontrovertible proof. 3. We have incontrovertible proof of Trump supporters stopping antifa infiltrators on Wednesday. Its right there in full color video. As to your assertion that the WSJ published an opinion piece? WTF do you think every article from the MSM has been over the last 4 years been reporting on conservatives and especially Trump? No fact, all opinion. Spare me your false outrage.
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Post by kirinke on Jan 11, 2021 14:45:51 GMT
They were cops you freaking nimrod. If cops are now antifa, then you've gone around the bend. Those were cops in riot gear and tactical uniforms which are black. Jesus 3cat, quit guzzling the kool-aid.
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Post by cyphersmith on Jan 11, 2021 17:28:01 GMT
So to be clear from these statements, you're okay with interfering with the Constitution and assault on government by rabble? To be clear, I'm ok with the citizenry voicing their displeasure with their government up to and including reaching the point where they are throwing off that government and starting a new one - as planned for by the founders. Let's also be clear - in no way was the government ever in danger of being overthrown last Wednesday by a few hundred people wandering the halls of a building they paid for with their tax dollars. More importantly, let's look at what has happened since. 1. Those walls that aren't supposed to work to keep out illegals? Boy they sure erected them quickly around the capitol... Walls pretty much don't work when there's nobody watching them. Think that's the case in the capitol? Well, when they take selfies and post them to social media? Yeah, they're going to get caught quick. Especially in the aftermath of this. Hmm, Parler is going down the tubes, it looks like. AWS took them off their service. The reason that Amazon, Google, and Apple all did this is simple. Violence was planned on Parler. Illegal actions were planned on Parler. In public posts. And Parler did NOTHING. Do you seriously think that any other service would have allowed posts planning to break the law to stay up? Hope you're wrong. Didn't seem to be any leftists in the crowd doing anything more than recording what was happening. The doors you see being opened were not to the Capitol, they were to a different building. This is a good question, but honestly the system will be very hard to crack if it's an official laptop. This last part is true, but what you're missing is that many Republicans are in disagreement with you about the attack on the Capitol.
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Post by cyphersmith on Jan 11, 2021 17:31:25 GMT
If they forced their way in in the same manner, yes they should have been shot. And let's be clear and look at the facts. They murdered one officer and hurt dozens more, some seriously as they bashed them over the head with pipes and such. They were a threat to the lives of the congresspeople. Let's be clear about a few things. 1. We have video of a representative letting them walk in the building. The video shows him open the door and walk out right past them before they grabbed the closing door and walked in. I don't think *any* congressperson of either party would have done such a thing if they saw an angry mob. Yet that isn't what the video shows - it shows a person calmly opening a door and walking past people outside. Trespassing? Probably. But hardly what I'd call forcing their way in. The video we have of people trying to force their way in show antifa-types (and let's, again, be clear - wearing all black and smashing windows with a hammer has antifa written all over it) followed by MAGA-types behind them pulling them down and preventing them from continuing to try and smash open a window. That's from Oregon, idiot, not from the Capitol. And it happened on the 21st of December.
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Post by 3catcircus on Jan 11, 2021 18:19:13 GMT
Let's be clear about a few things. 1. We have video of a representative letting them walk in the building. The video shows him open the door and walk out right past them before they grabbed the closing door and walked in. I don't think *any* congressperson of either party would have done such a thing if they saw an angry mob. Yet that isn't what the video shows - it shows a person calmly opening a door and walking past people outside. Trespassing? Probably. But hardly what I'd call forcing their way in. The video we have of people trying to force their way in show antifa-types (and let's, again, be clear - wearing all black and smashing windows with a hammer has antifa written all over it) followed by MAGA-types behind them pulling them down and preventing them from continuing to try and smash open a window. That's from Oregon, idiot, not from the Capitol. And it happened on the 21st of December. I was looking at the wrong video at the time. This is what I was referring to: twitter.com/christina_bobb/status/1347596278583197698?s=10 Dunno how to link a Twitter feed here, but it shows an orderly entry of trump supporters when the door is opened for them. You can clearly see USCP standing there as they walk past him. Not what anyone would call a riot or an insurrection.
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Post by cyphersmith on Jan 11, 2021 19:52:36 GMT
That's from Oregon, idiot, not from the Capitol. And it happened on the 21st of December. I was looking at the wrong video at the time. This is what I was referring to: twitter.com/christina_bobb/status/1347596278583197698?s=10 Dunno how to link a Twitter feed here, but it shows an orderly entry of trump supporters when the door is opened for them. You can clearly see USCP standing there as they walk past him. Not what anyone would call a riot or an insurrection. Two things. One, like many police departments, the Capitol Police no doubt had officers, such as the one who was murdered, who agreed with the insurrectionists. Second, they were utterly unprepared for this. If they had had proper riot control gear, they may not have let them in (they still might have, since some agreed with the insurrectionists). And had they used said gear, the insurrectionists would have left. Because they weren't prepared for that. Gotta wonder how many elected officials and other public servants are going to get caught up in this. I can see Clarence Thomas getting caught up in it, since his wife facilitated many of these idiots getting into DC.
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Post by 3catcircus on Jan 11, 2021 20:02:03 GMT
I was looking at the wrong video at the time. This is what I was referring to: twitter.com/christina_bobb/status/1347596278583197698?s=10 Dunno how to link a Twitter feed here, but it shows an orderly entry of trump supporters when the door is opened for them. You can clearly see USCP standing there as they walk past him. Not what anyone would call a riot or an insurrection. Two things. One, like many police departments, the Capitol Police no doubt had officers, such as the one who was murdered, who agreed with the insurrectionists. Second, they were utterly unprepared for this. If they had had proper riot control gear, they may not have let them in (they still might have, since some agreed with the insurrectionists). And had they used said gear, the insurrectionists would have left. Because they weren't prepared for that. Gotta wonder how many elected officials and other public servants are going to get caught up in this. I can see Clarence Thomas getting caught up in it, since his wife facilitated many of these idiots getting into DC. You bring up an interesting point. If it is supported by the government, is it really an insurrection? Especially if the leader of that government is the one urging citizens to protest? And by all accounts, by default, the President is the head of the government of the US (as well as head of State). So, by default, anything that the head of government does *can't* be insurrection. Oh, and here's another example of those MAGA rioters. twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1348748100643516419 Looks less violent as the antifa rally in NY this past weekend. And - lastly, yet again, Rogan is 100% spot on in his assessment. Not sure if you've seen his comments.
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Post by kirinke on Jan 11, 2021 20:03:50 GMT
Yes. Because he is not faithfully abiding by the laws set down by the constitution. He freaking lost a legal and fair election. He does not have the right to take it by force.
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Post by 3catcircus on Jan 11, 2021 20:29:28 GMT
Yes. Because he is not faithfully abiding by the laws set down by the constitution. He freaking lost a legal and fair election. He does not have the right to take it by force. What laws set down by the constitution? Please identify them. I'll wait.
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Post by kirinke on Jan 11, 2021 20:57:12 GMT
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Post by 3catcircus on Jan 11, 2021 21:07:50 GMT
Key words "... To the best of his ability..." in conjunction with the constitution clearly calling out only treason (and explicitly what it consists of), bribery, and the undefined "high crinmes and misdemeanors" means that any President's actions that do not meet those definitions - even if he were to explicitly tell citizens to riot (which he most clearly did not) - is not an insurrection. By definition, the leader of a government *can't* be considered as having engaged in insurrection - because by definition his every action that doesn't meet those clearly and explicitly called out treason, bribery or high crimes and misdemeanors is, in fact, the government performing it's duties. At no point did he call for violence. At no point did he call for people to overthrow him. And that is the key. The President is head of government - he is literally as President executing the duties of the government. In order for there to be an insurrection, he would have had to have called citizens to overthrow *him*, as the as the during President and head of government. By that very definition, Pelosi, as *not* the head of government, but calling for him to be thrown out, *is* engaged in insurrection. I don't expect you to understand these concepts - they require the capacity for abstract thought.
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Post by kirinke on Jan 11, 2021 21:13:03 GMT
And your opinion is clouded by right wing propaganda. Hell, you think cops blocking access to rioters are antifa now. He clearly incited the riot. Did you not listen to his words? That in of itself is grounds for impeachment.
When literally everyone is telling you are wrong, then perhaps, maybe you aren't right 3cat. Everyone is telling you are wrong.
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Post by 3catcircus on Jan 11, 2021 21:16:00 GMT
And your opinion is clouded by right wing propaganda. Hell, you think cops blocking access to rioters are antifa now. He clearly incited the riot. Did you not listen to his words? That in of itself is grounds for impeachment.
I've seen the speech. What part of "...peacefully and patriotically..." screams "go riot inside Congress?" It doesn't. Because he didn't tell them to, nor did he imply they should. Ergo, not inciting a riot. But hey - the Dems have already proven they love and encourage people and groups who riot and try to injure or kill Congresspersons and others. Jimmy Carter pardoned puerto rican terrorists who killed 5 representatives. Bill Clinton pardoned Susan Rosenberg who bombed Congress, was a member of multiple terror organizations, and continued advocating the overthrow of the government while in jail. She became a member of the board of directors of Thousand Currents - who fundraises for BLM. Bill Ayers bombed Congress and was planning on bombing the WH and Pentagon. Not only did he not face charges, he helped run Obama's campaign. So tell me - who are the real factions calling for the overthrow of the government, since it obviously isn't Trump and the MAGA crowd.
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Post by Eldorian on Jan 11, 2021 22:12:37 GMT
Stop engaging him. He's hopeless.
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