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Post by kirinke on Jan 29, 2021 12:28:04 GMT
I think it's okay to marginalize a group that tried to overthrow the government, kill congress people and the vice president on the President's orders. If you stage an insurrection, prepare for the consequences when you fail and if companies don't want to associate with seditionists, that's perfectly fine with me. I'd be even happier if they dropped Facebook as well.
But hey, can't have everything....
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Post by evileeyore on Jan 29, 2021 20:53:44 GMT
I think it's okay to marginalize a group... And which "group" is that? The platform Parler? Because they didn't do that. The user base in general? Again, they didn't do that. A small section of the userbase? Okay... but... Keep in mind, we A) have no proof "they" did what you're accusing them of. If you have proof that isn't just "OMG! They totally did it, because the MSM says they did but the MSM can't point to any posts or list any evidence because lol, like it's all been erased, but trust the MSM they never lie lol" please provide a cite. You keep saying this, but your evidence has been zero. And if you're taking Amazon, google, and Apple's word for it, that's even stupider. B) This would be like if SoftLayer (the host) booted ProBoards (where CM is) for our behavior. Or like if Morris banned you because Kzach is an asshole and you egged Kzach on. Does this even sound right or fair or honest to you? So to sum up: You think it's proper to strip people of their right to speak and assemble in the Public Square because they've been accused (not tried or convicted) of things that you have no proof of and cannot even point to proof of? Does this sum it up? Would you be equally okay with booting all supporters of BLM and Antifa from facebook, twitter, etc because BLM and Antifa lead to and caused riots, looting, arson, and murders? And keep in mind, there have been charges and convictions in this latter case. You should stop right here and think about your world view and why it's so crooked and wrong. |
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Post by kirinke on Jan 29, 2021 22:07:04 GMT
Hey, my world view is fine. Those fuckers support the ones who did it. Me? I don't give a shit about anyone who supports seditionists and would be assassins. Besides, the government guarantees your free speech. Private companies have no obligation to give you a platform for that speech and they can decide if what you're doing is too much for them to stomach.
Not fair? Absolutely. But one shouldn't try to overthrow the government and attempt to kill congress people and the VP just because you're unhappy your guy lost the election. There are consequences to your actions and if people or companies don't want to associate with violent extremists, that's fine. They have free speech and freedom of association rights as well. If that makes violent extremists and their supporters asses hurt, because nobody will play with them or let them have a ball so they can throw it at your head, I'm happy.
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Post by evileeyore on Jan 30, 2021 8:47:15 GMT
Hey, my world view is fine. No it isn't. It's toxic and corrosive as hell. You're personally part of the reason the discourse in the USA is turning nasty and divisive. |
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Post by kirinke on Jan 30, 2021 12:42:54 GMT
Because I don't hold that aiding and abetting people (or those who support it) who try to overthrow the government, assassinate our congress people and VP is a good thing? Because I don't hold that giving them a platform after they do that is a good thing?
You don't give a person who says they're going to set fire to somebody a match and gasoline. You don't give violent extremists a platform after they riot, kill people and try to kill more people and say, "oh they won't do that again, they learned their lesson". Fuck that shit.
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Post by evileeyore on Jan 30, 2021 23:49:38 GMT
Because I don't hold that aiding and abetting people (or those who support it) who try to overthrow the government, assassinate our congress people and VP is a good thing? Because I don't hold that giving them a platform after they do that is a good thing? Extending someone the right of free speech is neither aiding nor abetting. Is Morrus morally complicit in Kzach's behavior on this site? Also, there is still that niggling specter of "no proof lol". And "no one has been convicted, but you're already treating everyone like they were felons" just for showing up in the same city as a few people charged with actual felonies. Like, you're basically advocating for everyone who was at the rally, most of whom went home, to be treated as harshly as those who broke in, assaulted cops, stole mail and computers, and shit on the walls. Do you not see how incredibly stupid and hateful that is? No, but I wouldn't take away their ability to shout mean things after I've taken away the gas and matches. I mean, if I do that, how am I to know when they are mad enough to hunting for matches and gas again? So... again, Parler killed people? And Parler wanted to kill more people? Oh shit, people on this board have advocated killing people and apparently some of us are nazis on here, luckily we aren't hosted by Amazon, or Google, or Apple... |
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Post by kirinke on Jan 31, 2021 0:35:11 GMT
Small difference. Those fuckers actually did and it's on video. The law might need to put them on trial and convict them to put them in prison, but that's the law. Me? I don't want to associate with those fuckers. The companies that do web-hosting, they're "people" by law and have the same rights of association as we do. If they don't want to associate with violent extremists, then they don't have to.
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Post by evileeyore on Jan 31, 2021 3:34:53 GMT
The companies that do web-hosting, they're "people" by law and have the same rights of association as we do. If they don't want to associate with violent extremists, then they don't have to. That's not... sigh You really are fuckign stupid. No, they can not deny service for just any reason. See Masterpiece Cakeshop v. Colorado Civil Rights Commission, 584 U.S. ___ (2018). So, yes, Amazon was within their rights via their Terms Of Service to boot Parler. That's their right. Except, see... they aren't being fair and equal across the board. Facebook is still hosted on Amazon and there are far more terrible people doing terrible things on Facebook than on Parler. But everyone loves Facebook and turns a blind eye to Facebooks shitty userbase because Facebook cracks down on conservative speech, and gun speech, and all the other speech your side hates. Likewise Google and Apple still host Facebook on their app store. So this really had nothing to do with their respective ToS. It had everything to do with Parler being a haven for free speech. Parler would only step in and remove actual illegal speech. When they were made aware of it. And that isn't something the Big Techs want. That level of competition. So they felt they had an excuse, which wasn't "hey, your users are planning attacks" you twit, it was "you don't have enough professional full time moderators, you have to add [stupidly large number] of full-time moderators to live up to the terms of 'properly moderating content' within seven days or we're booting you". Apple and Google dropped the app from their stores over "hate speech", which yeah, probably on there. Hell we have hate speech on Cm, soi'd more than bet Parler had some on it somewhere. Well, jokes on Big Tech. Parler has three times the user base it had before being booted. Facebook and Twitter have been hemorrhaging customers to Minds, Parler, Telegram, etc. All the actual free speech platforms. In fact Minds is doing so well for the half* the people I followed on Twitter they're all leaving Twitter and Facebook by the end of next month. For good. *The other half are snowflake liberal artists who think if they went to Parler they'd turn into nazis. *sigh* Liberal artists are so friggin stupid sometimes. Well, I mean they're artists, it's not like they went to school read or think. |
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Post by 3catcircus on Jan 31, 2021 13:07:57 GMT
The companies that do web-hosting, they're "people" by law and have the same rights of association as we do. If they don't want to associate with violent extremists, then they don't have to. That's not... sigh You really are fuckign stupid. No, they can not deny service for just any reason. See Masterpiece Cakeshop v. Colorado Civil Rights Commission, 584 U.S. ___ (2018). So, yes, Amazon was within their rights via their Terms Of Service to boot Parler. That's their right. Except, see... they aren't being fair and equal across the board. Facebook is still hosted on Parler, and there are far more terrible people doing terrible things on Facebook than on Parler. But everyone loves Facebook and turns a blind eye to Facebooks shitty userbase because Facebook cracks down on conservative speech, and gun speech, and all the other speech your side hates. Likewise Google and Apple still host Facebook on their app store. So this really had nothing to do with their respective ToS. It had everything to do with Parler being a haven for free speech. Parler would only step in and remove actual illegal speech. When they were made aware of it. And that isn't something the Big Techs want. That level of competition. So they felt they had an excuse, which wasn't "hey, your users are planning attacks" you twit, it was "you don't have enough professional full time moderators, you have to add [stupidly large number] of full-time moderators to live up to the terms of 'properly moderating content' within seven days or we're booting you". Apple and Google dropped the app from their stores over "hate speech", which yeah, probably on there. Hell we have hate speech on Cm, soi'd more than bet Parler had some on it somewhere. Well, jokes on Big Tech. Parler has three times the user base it had before being booted. Facebook and Twitter have been hemorrhaging customers to Minds, Parler, Telegram, etc. All the actual free speech platforms. In fact Minds is doing so well for the half* the people I followed on Twitter they're all leaving Twitter and Facebook by the end of next month. For good. *The other half are snowflake liberal artists who think if they went to Parler they'd turn into nazis. *sigh* Liberal artists are so friggin stupid sometimes. Well, I mean they're artists, it's not like they went to school read or think. I'll just try and summarize since you've used compound sentences and words that make more than one sound when you say them: Kirinke's definition of free speech is leftists' opinions (which she pretends are her own original thoughts) coming out of your mouth. |
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Post by kirinke on Jan 31, 2021 13:15:36 GMT
You're the fucker that wants to kill people for rioting in Portland 3cat and you'd be cheering if they got kicked off as well. At least I don't want to kill them. So don't even pretend to be morally outraged by my stance. So fuck off.
And no, it had everything to do with hosting right wing extremists who rioted, killed and tried to kill even more people. Seditionists are not good for business optics. So it got dropped. It's not that difficult to understand.
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Post by Maxperson on Jan 31, 2021 16:13:47 GMT
Because I don't hold that aiding and abetting people (or those who support it) who try to overthrow the government, assassinate our congress people and VP is a good thing? Because I don't hold that giving them a platform after they do that is a good thing? The first is a bad thing. The second isn't what happened. They were not "given a platform." That platform did not belong to them and they were a minority on it. If shitheads go onto a platform, you go after the shitheads who commit crimes on it. Short of crimes, you leave them and the platform the fuck alone. |
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Post by Maxperson on Jan 31, 2021 16:18:19 GMT
You're the fucker that wants to kill people for rioting in Portland 3cat and you'd be cheering if they got kicked off as well. At least I don't want to kill them. So don't even pretend to be morally outraged by my stance. So fuck off.
And no, it had everything to do with hosting right wing extremists who rioted, killed and tried to kill even more people. Seditionists are not good for business optics. So it got dropped. It's not that difficult to understand.
No, what you want to do is worse than death. Let's just muzzle and tie up the people, which is effectively torture. |
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Post by evileeyore on Jan 31, 2021 17:03:58 GMT
No, what you want to do is worse than death. Yeah that's some hyperbole man. Nothing is worse than death. So long as you live, there is hope of release and/or healing and moving past whatever you are suffering. There is no moving past death. Now being treated in an illiberal fashion by the Left Big Tech may be bad, but it's not worse than death and there is a solution for it. It may take more illiberality from the oppressed side, but there are means and ways. The 2nd protects the 1st as the saying goes. Now we'll see how things shape up over the next few months, I suspect as people migrate and we redecentralize across divergent platforms, people will care less and less that the Big Tech oligarchy*, Amazon, Google, Apple and the SocMeds of Facebook, Twitter, and Youtube (which is google again) are being hella censorious as it will personally impact them less and less. * You know what I just realized, by staying out of the hosting wars, Microsoft has lost it's standing as "the most evil" big tech company and that is just kinda amazing to me as they are still really shit, they're just not deliberately being assholes anymore. |
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Post by 3catcircus on Jan 31, 2021 20:37:40 GMT
You're the fucker that wants to kill people for rioting in Portland 3cat and you'd be cheering if they got kicked off as well. At least I don't want to kill them. So don't even pretend to be morally outraged by my stance. So fuck off.
And no, it had everything to do with hosting right wing extremists who rioted, killed and tried to kill even more people. Seditionists are not good for business optics. So it got dropped. It's not that difficult to understand.
I would try to convince you with the facts, but that's usually futile when you're enjoying a sense of moral superiority in your ignorance... |
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Post by kirinke on Jan 31, 2021 20:45:01 GMT
Yes and you think that wearing masks in a pandemic is hokum Fuck you and your "facts".
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