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Post by libtard on Mar 5, 2022 14:52:10 GMT
Mad old hag reminds us she'll ramp up the wars if she ever gets elected and cites Afghanistan as a good model going forward.
Jesus. Seriously?
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Post by kirinke on Mar 5, 2022 15:11:30 GMT
Note: Hillary is not the voice of anyone significant.
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Post by libtard on Mar 5, 2022 15:58:28 GMT
Note: Hillary is not the voice of anyone significant. You'd better buckle up, because she's going to be the Democratic Presidential candidate in 2024. Joe's too far gone, Kamala is despised, Bernie and Elizabeth are too old and/or radical. No, it will be Hillary, or I'll eat both my shoes. She's the "safest bet" according to the laws of prevailing insanity. Get ready for Trump vs Clinton, round 2. |
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Post by kirinke on Mar 5, 2022 19:35:56 GMT
I doubt it. There's rumors floating around that Michelle Obama might run. Nothing concrete mind you, but I've read a few snippets here and there indicating it's a possibility. Hilary has too much baggage to be a viable candidate. Michelle Obama makes a bit more sense. She's friends with the Bushes and could steal the never-Trumpers and what passes for Republican moderates away from the Republican base. Hillary? She has no allies anywhere really and wouldn't even be able to unify the Democrats, much less the country.
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Post by evileeyore on Mar 6, 2022 19:14:48 GMT
No, it will be Hillary, or I'll eat both my shoes. She's the "safest bet" according to the laws of prevailing insanity. Get ready for Trump vs Clinton, round 2. Yup. I have a friend in DNC finances and for the first time in the 25 years he's been in the business of politics, he's thinking about walking away from their bullshit (despite the money being insanely good). All he hears is talk of Clinton v Trump 2, and how this time, this time* they'll get Hillary into office, "it's some sort of obsession now with higher ranking DNC oligarchs" (his wording not mine). So, yeah, buckle up and pray the rank and file Dems finally tell the upper echelon in the DNC to get fucked, ignore DNC propaganda, and back someone other than the DNC pick. * Third times the charm right? She can't possibly lose to the ringer she put up in round two who KO'ed her can she? I mean, the deplorables will properly get in line this time right? Right? I hope that someday you'll come to realize when you know nothing. No one wants Michelle in office. She hasn't the constitution to put up witht he political bullshit Barrack had, she hasn't his charm and oratory, and she hasn't his shrewd mindedness. Further we need to end political dynasties completely. It's a terrible precedent and will not go well for the future of the country. Maybe... the left-leaning centrist Republicans, but actual deep-seated Republicans? Nope. And the more "Right-leaning" centrists and Trumpeteers will never vote for her, she's too left. |
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Post by kirinke on Mar 6, 2022 21:07:00 GMT
You keep on saying that, but you prove time and again, you know less than me.
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Post by libtard on Mar 7, 2022 14:44:03 GMT
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Post by libtard on Mar 7, 2022 15:25:50 GMT
Precedent?
Adams, Harrison, Roosevelt, Kennedy, Bush ... it's not like it's new.
At first blush, the Trumps seem too stupid to realize any dynastic aspirations ... and then you remember the electorate are even stupider.
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Post by evileeyore on Mar 7, 2022 17:44:10 GMT
Adams, Harrison, Roosevelt, Kennedy, Bush ... it's not like it's new. It's new, but it's become more prevalent* since the Kennedys. * And allowable in the minds of journalist. Even in Kennedy's time there was still pushback against family dynasties, now it's practically presumed. I recall (not very fondly) the positive discussion by the media of the possibility of Chelsea Clinton getting involved in politics when Wild Bill was in the Oval Office. But you want to talk political dynasties? Look into the Romneys and how they've been infesting US politics for over 100 years (Mitt is the just most recent and highly visible). |
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Post by libtard on Mar 10, 2022 21:59:31 GMT
Ah, corruption. The lifeblood of global politics. The current situation in Ukraine is the result of years of geopolitical maneuvering by Russia and the West, with lots of fat pies, and lots of sticky fingers being inserted into them. And lots of fat lips, licking that delicious gravy. Lest we forget, a certain Hunter Biden was involved in the energy sector in Ukraine, acting as an "advisor" for a modest remuneration of $50,000 per month. Well, it seem that even The Guardian - yes, you read that right, my neoliberal friends - has finally copped to the fact that all was not kosher in Hunter Biden land, and that there were some awfully suspicious shenanigans going on: link |
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Post by evileeyore on Mar 10, 2022 23:13:00 GMT
I don't think the reason that Putin is pulling this now is corruption...
Though, corruption within Russia's military suppliers and the oligarchs running Russia's military might just be why the Russian Red Wave is floundering on the shoals rather than swamping the Ukraine...
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Post by kirinke on Mar 11, 2022 0:49:10 GMT
So you guys are for Russia's invasion of Ukraine? And what precisely does energy advisement have to do with the military. Reaching into that conspiracy theory pie there Libtard.What next? Are the Alien Greys in charge of the DNC?
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Post by libtard on Mar 11, 2022 6:25:04 GMT
I don't think the reason that Putin is pulling this now is corruption... No, of course not. But events do not occur in a vacuum, and a lot of strands have converged to bring us to the point at which we now stand, and the West is not blameless in the amount of fuckery that it has permitted and engaged in. Hunter Biden's fuckery is merely one of a myriad of strands. |
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Post by libtard on Mar 11, 2022 6:39:35 GMT
So you guys are for Russia's invasion of Ukraine? What a strange world you inhabit. No, kirinke, I do not support the aggression of a totalitarian psychopath against a burgeoning democracy which has needlessly caused death and suffering to countless people, will cause a global recession, and has initiated a new Cold War. But I do believe in causality, and the West has to admit some culpability in getting to the point where we are now, namely: (1) The adherence to the Wolfowitz Doctrine by the US in the 90s and 00s (2) The weakness of the West's positioning toward China since Tiananmen Square (3) The fact that Europe has allowed itself to become so dependent on Russian fossil fuels And before you ask but what has China got to do with anything? you should remind yourself that this brutal, genocidal regime is one with which the West has also been - and continues to be - an enormously important trading partner. There is a basic injustice here: (1) After the fall of the Soviet Union to a popular, democratic uprising, Russia was punished by the West (2) After the brutal suppression of a popular, democratic uprising, China was rewarded by the West Furthermore, bullshit wars in Iraq and Afghanistan resulting in millions of deaths. Which is to say that now the West finds itself needing a platform of moral authority, it's suddenly looking like some legs are missing. |
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Post by evileeyore on Mar 11, 2022 15:50:51 GMT
But events do not occur in a vacuum... Sure, nothing of this scope happens in vacuum. But coincidence is also not causation. For my money, it was Ukraine's slow move away from being Russia's pawn; the oil found in Ukraine which would make it the other Euro oil economy and would threaten Russia's dominance int he Euro oil market, also geography plays a strong part, and the historic ties Putin can claim. Absent those, and I doubt any level of US corruption and fuckery would have spurred this. What a strange world you inhabit. You mentioned Hunter Biden and didn't denounce the "conspiracy theory" and Russia's aggressions in the same breath, so clearly you've succumbed to the ORANGE-side you dirty damned Trumpeteer. We stopped having a real moral standing (in regards to global geopolitics) post-WWII... too much CIA fuckery, too much trying to create an Empire without looking like we're making an Empire, too much propping up evil and corrupt regimes for our benefit over those of that countries citizens, denouncing others for committing the same crimes we're committing, etc. Basic bitch global-political hypocrisy of the rankest nature. |
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