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Post by cyphersmith on Mar 11, 2022 18:23:44 GMT
So you guys are for Russia's invasion of Ukraine? What a strange world you inhabit. No, kirinke, I do not support the aggression of a totalitarian psychopath against a burgeoning democracy which has needlessly caused death and suffering to countless people, will cause a global recession, and has initiated a new Cold War. But I do believe in causality, and the West has to admit some culpability in getting to the point where we are now, namely: (1) The adherence to the Wolfowitz Doctrine by the US in the 90s and 00s (2) The weakness of the West's positioning toward China since Tiananmen Square (3) The fact that Europe has allowed itself to become so dependent on Russian fossil fuels And before you ask but what has China got to do with anything? you should remind yourself that this brutal, genocidal regime is one with which the West has also been - and continues to be - an enormously important trading partner. There is a basic injustice here: (1) After the fall of the Soviet Union to a popular, democratic uprising, Russia was punished by the West (2) After the brutal suppression of a popular, democratic uprising, China was rewarded by the West Furthermore, bullshit wars in Iraq and Afghanistan resulting in millions of deaths. Which is to say that now the West finds itself needing a platform of moral authority, it's suddenly looking like some legs are missing. There's also the fact that Ukraine no longer has nuclear weapons. I don't know that Putin would be willing to do this if they still had them.
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Post by libtard on Mar 11, 2022 23:10:16 GMT
Well, yes.
And as much as I like to point out the fact that the US is a shithole country - largely to get a rise out of Americans, and titivate any latent patriotic reflexes - the fact remains that we don't have anything better than Pax Americana, and NATO remains the least bad of a variety of terrible options for maintaining peace and security. I discount the UN entirely in this equation; they generally do more harm than good.
Strangely, I'm optimistic - barring global thermonuclear annihilation - that we may be moving past the bullshit "culture war" epoch, as real crises present themselves and reveal our previous obsessions to be trivial distractions.
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Post by kirinke on Mar 12, 2022 1:57:58 GMT
(1) The adherence to the Wolfowitz Doctrine by the US in the 90s and 00s (2) The weakness of the West's positioning toward China since Tiananmen Square (3) The fact that Europe has allowed itself to become so dependent on Russian fossil fuels (4) Trump enabling Putin for 4 years didn't help the situation either.
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Post by evileeyore on Mar 12, 2022 14:58:39 GMT
... the fact remains that we don't have anything better than Pax Americana... That's "America, FUCK YEAH! World Police" to you libtardo. le sighFor those in it. I bet the few holdouts to NATO in the region are desperately eyeing their various treaties keeping them from joining and worrying... The UN needs to be disbanded and reformed without a "Security Council" of blackballing assholes. Nah, it'll keep raging in the background, but the MSM will conveniently forget* to talk about it while both sides move and position. I expect it'll start to simmer down, we're reaching a break point what with the nonsense of WOKE elementary school teachers in classrooms outing themselves online getting non-WOKE parents up in arms. It infected universities over 40 years ago, it took this long to trickle down to the lower grades. There will be pushback, it'll get cleaned out of the elementary schools, public schools will start closing, charter and public schools will become the new 'norm' for the middle class with the lower class stuck in an ever spiraling downward public system. We'll eventually reach equilibrium with the new normal where sane trans rights will be a conservative position (give it another 10 years) and the crazed extremes will keep shouting their spit-flecked rhetoric into the wilds. * but the culture war will continue until moral improves. It's useful to our global masters to keep us divided and occupied while they Build Back Better to the Great Reset.
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Post by cyphersmith on Mar 12, 2022 17:56:33 GMT
... the fact remains that we don't have anything better than Pax Americana... That's "America, FUCK YEAH! World Police" to you libtardo. le sighYeah, something we really shouldn't be. But it is what it is. I am sure you're right. Oh god, yes. But so many people would complain "That's the New World Order! We can't allow that!" Yeah, the things that infected the various parties started long before the current idiocy. And so much of it has more fucknuttery behind it than most people are aware.
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Post by libtard on Mar 14, 2022 11:20:11 GMT
Russia looks to be hitting China up for help: linkas well as selling cheap oil to India: linkand doing a deal with Pakistan: linkIf secondary sanctions are enforced by the West on countries which are willing to deal with Russia, we may be looking at a global fracture along these lines - whether the India/Pakistan antagonism and the India/China antagonism can be overcome is another matter, of course. China already has its teeth into Africa. The US into SAmerica. But I wonder if we're moving toward two trading blocks, dominated by a Sinosphere and an Anglosphere respectively. Aside from setting up the backstory for Firefly, we should just go ahead and call these blocs Oceania (including WEurope, AuNZ, SKorea and Japan) and Eastasia and be done with it. Orwell's Eurasia is absent, having been carved up by Oceania and Eastasia. Otherwise, it looks pretty good. That reminds me, my INGSOC membership is up for renewal.
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Post by evileeyore on Mar 16, 2022 17:19:31 GMT
So Biden skipped out on Zelensky's address, was it nap time for the old man? Or was he getting his daily infusion of a baby's blood to keep him going through his speech a few hours later?
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Post by kirinke on Mar 16, 2022 21:18:06 GMT
Um... I haven't seen that anywhere NB. However, Trump is up to his usual lying bullshit.
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Post by evileeyore on Mar 16, 2022 22:54:52 GMT
Um... I haven't seen that anywhere NB. Um... did you watch Zelensky's address to Congress? If you had you wouldn't need the Lefty MSM to tell you what your own eyes could have told you.
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Post by Devoid on Mar 17, 2022 2:38:47 GMT
Aside from presidential address, do presidents attend joint sessions of Congress?
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Post by kirinke on Mar 17, 2022 11:23:35 GMT
Unless it's to address them, I don't believe so. He may have watched it from the White House, because Biden did address Zelensky's speech.
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Post by libtard on Mar 17, 2022 13:37:20 GMT
Now that Neo-Nazis are OK again, and we can buy Azov Battalion mugs on Amazon, Matt Taibbi has some interesting observations about the management of information in the dystopian wonderland which we inhabit: Full article here: Orwell Was Right
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Post by evileeyore on Mar 17, 2022 23:37:30 GMT
Aside from presidential address, do presidents attend joint sessions of Congress? I'd say when a foreign President is intending to address our leadership... of course under that circumstance it's probably best if Biden not be involved.
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Post by libtard on Mar 22, 2022 23:30:35 GMT
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Post by Maxperson on Mar 23, 2022 3:16:35 GMT
He's never going to use them and everyone except the media who sells fear knows it. He can't do it alone and nobody in power(including Putin) wants to lose their power, luxury and family. And if he somehow managed it alone, he'd be shot in the head afterwards by those who just lost everything and he knows that.
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