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Post by kirinke on Jun 10, 2022 18:58:50 GMT
I've never agreed with that "women can't rape" bullshit. No means no and legal ages goes for men as well as women.
But still, my point stands. Pedos are not the same as homosexuals.
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Post by evileeyore on Jun 11, 2022 4:56:41 GMT
But still, my point stands. Pedos are not the same as homosexuals. That wasn't your point, but do go on shifting goalposts to try and feel like you make cogent contributions to the conversation.
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Post by libtard on Jun 11, 2022 5:51:28 GMT
Yes, we mustn't forget the pedo drag queens. There are thousands of them, and they present an imminent threat to the fabric of civilization. There's that Umbrella of Protection, pretend something doesn't exist to get those complaining about the things you're protecting to go away and allow it to keep happening. Next you'll try to tell us there wasn't a 20+ year grooming gangs problem among the Muslim communities in Britain. I don't understand why it's hard for you to understand: conflating pedophilia with transgender identity simply doesn't illuminate issues around transgenderism itself. Pedophilia is pedophilia; transgenderism is transgenderism: you are concentrating on a narrow slice where the two spheres overlap. This constant sensationalizing of pedo drag queens, and the insistence that it's an important component to the dialogue around transgender identity is simply a right-wing fundie scare tactic - it keeps the debate focused on an issue which is marginal to most trans experience. It was the same tactic used with regard to the gay community in the 70s and 80s (and today), by fundies - try to keep the conversation in an area which will revolt people, in order to deflect from the substantive issues. FWIW, fundies aren't alone in inappropriate conflations: I also have a problem with the "T" and the "I" and the "A" in LGBTQIA: "T" represents a physiological change prompted by a dysphoric experience; "I" represents a non-normative physiology; "A" represents a behavioral preference. Only L and G are innate sexual predispositions - I'm even suspicious about B being anything other than a behavioral preference. There again, my few gay friends are old-school queers from the 70s and 80s, and their conservatism nay have rubbed off on me. But, generally, I think the term "gender" has become an inappropriately wide magisterium.
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Post by libtard on Jun 11, 2022 8:21:31 GMT
Also, the 2020 home office report demonstrated no statistical relationship between ethnos/religion and grooming gang prevalence in the UK - despite the keen narrative efforts of right wing commentators.
How do you feel about the problem of pedophilia in the Christian community in Utah, or the problem of sex-trafficking in the Christian community in Russia?
Conflate away - bigotry seeps out of you at every turn.
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Post by evileeyore on Jun 13, 2022 6:47:59 GMT
But, generally, I think the term "gender" has become an inappropriately wide magisterium. I keep saying it's about the trans activists fighting for sexual choice in children and you keep saying "no, really that's not important, what's important are these other things". That's the umbrella you carry. Also, the 2020 home office report... Would that be the very same home office accused of ignoring the grooming gangs for the last two decades and accused of continuing to ignore them? That home office?
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Post by libtard on Jun 13, 2022 12:37:39 GMT
“It?” What “it?”
You have successfully communicated that pedo drag queens are a source of grave concern to you, that you believe gay people are mentally ill, and that you are scared that Muslims are coming for your young women - unprompted and irrelevant, but offered as an opinion nonetheless.
You are a crazy fundie person. But I’m sure as a liberal, communist, transhumanist, regulated-capitalist, it must all make sense to you.
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Post by kirinke on Jun 13, 2022 12:52:52 GMT
I would say that he's scared of anything not him because he paints anything not him as the enemy and evil.
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Post by cyphersmith on Jun 13, 2022 16:39:05 GMT
But, generally, I think the term "gender" has become an inappropriately wide magisterium. I keep saying it's about the trans activists fighting for sexual choice in children and you keep saying "no, really that's not important, what's important are these other things". That's the umbrella you carry. I couldn't count the number of gay and trans people I have met who knew when they kids that they were gay/trans. I know more that are like that than people who didn't figure it out until they were adults. And seriously, why the fuck should there be a problem with what clothing someone wears? Clothing protects us. Clothing helps us show other people who we are. Having a problem with a man wearing whatever the fuck they want to wear shouldn't be a problem. Protecting kids from being shit upon by other kids and, more importantly, adults is what they're fighting for. Drag queens reading to kids is to normalize people wearing what they want to wear. It's not sexual at all.
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Post by evileeyore on Jun 15, 2022 5:42:15 GMT
You have successfully communicated that pedo drag queens are a source of grave concern to you... Just the ones trying to be around children while not being dressed appropriately for that age group. Drag Queen wants to wear a dress and heels? Fucking a, have fun. Wants to host a story hour in a dress and heels, sure go ahead. Wants to do so in full regalia with his cock hanging out because he refused to wear underwear and chose a short skirt and sits with his legs spread and was later found to have been on a sex offender registry? That's pretty fucked up behavior. You know this, that is what happened, stop pretending otherwise. Desmond Napoles, aka "Desmond Is Amazing", pantomimes sucking cock, pantomimes taking ketomine, has grown men stick money in his waist band after performing 'strip teases' and sexy dances for them. He was 10 when he started all that, the kid is now maybe 15. I give it 10-15 years before he reveals how many times he's been raped, because the community will reject him if he comes out about it any sooner. Just look at how the community rallies around Hollywood, even after a few 'big time' abusers were removed, yet the parties with underage kids still continue. It's a problem within the community, but the community refuses to address it (as a whole). And harmlessly so. But again, we then have to begin trying to define what is 'mental illness'† and I count "operating outside of the betterment of the species" (procreation) as mentally ill. So being 110% against ever having children is also mentally ill, and I want no children. † And what we define as needing treatment. Feel dysphoric about having an arm and want it surgically removed? Too bad because you're crazy, in need of counseling, and no sane doctor would perform the procedure; but, feel dysphoric and claim you need gender reassignment? Well, now, "How brave of you, let's get you hormones, and will a year from next Tuesday be okay with you to chop off those offending sexual characteristics? What you're only 6 and your Mom was pressuring you? Oh sweetie, your Mommy just wants what's best for you..." I mean call me crazy, but I think we need to take a long hard look at what we're calling "crazy" and what we're promoting. Under 16? Counseling, no meds, no surgery unless it's an extreme case. Over 16? Go fucking nuts, fuck up your life, it's your own life. Nooooo. It was mentioning another area that the media has been failing a group of people (at the behest of the police in this instance) in order to cover things up. Though it does appear it's not Muslim grooming gangs (despite all the ones they've found in the past five years have been Muslim) but pretty much all the Brits. I mean if 1 in 10 people in England were sexually abused as kids and the police have been categorically failing them, that's a frikken problem... Totally relevant. Yet another area that Liberals (capital L Liberals) are trying to sweep problems under the rug instead of addressing them. All accurate things and it does. I'm also a realist, so I temper my communism to "what actually works because humans are shit bags and can't share properly", but the realist tendencies don't interfere otherwise. I couldn't count the number of gay and trans people I have met who knew when they kids that they were gay/trans. Awesome. And I've now heard from more detransitioners than I can count (off-handedly anyway) that they weren't trans, just confused, and they've fucked their whole lives up because they felt pressured into transitioning. Hence why I say 16. By 16 most teens have figured that out enough that they know where they are headed, and as I've said, they're practically adults, fuck it, go wild and make you into the you you want to be. And if you fuck your shit up, well, you were old enough to know better and old enough "peer pressure" and Adult pressure really aren't going to be that influencing. So you're good with your kids Kindergarten teacher showing up in thong (and nothing else)? Maybe a shear silk nightie? Having seen what a few "Drag Story Hour" queens thought was age appropriate, I'm pretty much okay with just banning it. Drag Queen shows are not age appropriate for children, that's not culture they need to be exposed to as kids. Guy in dress? Whatever, no one cares. Drag Queen dressed like it's Mardi Gras? Not appropriate and you know it. Drag is all about sexualized behavior. I've never met a Drag Queen who claimed otherwise until this latest attempt to sexualize kids started, and even then I've still never met one face-to-face. No Drag Queen I've ever met wanted kids anywhere near them will they in Drag. Dressed as a women, sure, whatever, but Drag is a state of mind that involves raunchy sexual play.
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Post by cyphersmith on Jun 24, 2022 15:18:47 GMT
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Post by Maxperson on Jun 24, 2022 16:32:40 GMT
I saw. Now it's back in the hands of the States where it always belonged.
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Post by cyphersmith on Jun 24, 2022 16:40:29 GMT
I saw. Now it's back in the hands of the States where it always belonged. Never belonged there. It should be between a woman and her doctor. Legislators should stay the fuck out of it. And the ruling does NOT prevent Congress and the President from enacting a law making it legal. Something that should have been done ages ago.
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Post by libtard on Jun 24, 2022 17:21:50 GMT
I saw. Now it's back in the hands of the States where it always belonged. Trigger laws in multiple states will now force women and girls to bear the children of their rapists and pedo incestuous fathers. Well done US. Welcome back to the dark ages. You are truly now a developing country. But don't worry - you can still carry a concealed firearm.
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Post by Maxperson on Jun 24, 2022 17:51:18 GMT
I saw. Now it's back in the hands of the States where it always belonged. Never belonged there. It should be between a woman and her doctor. Legislators should stay the fuck out of it. And the ruling does NOT prevent Congress and the President from enacting a law making it legal. Something that should have been done ages ago. There is a true dichotomy in this country and your desires are irrelevant to them. Either the power resides with the Federal government, and the Constitution spells out specifically which powers those are, or they reside with the States. It's one or the other and abortion does not reside with the feds. Your incorrect opinion that it never belonged with the states is just plain wrong. Even Ruth Bader Ginsberg argued that Roe v. Wade was a bad decision and she was for abortion rights. Doctors and procedures get regulated by the way. All of them, so your opinion that the legislators should stay out of it is also wrong. And just to complete the wrongness of that post, your incorrect position that Congress and the President are not prevented from enacting a law to legalize it is.........................................wrong! Congress can't force laws upon states in anything that is a states' rights issue. Congress can only legislate about things that the Constitution explicitly gives them power over, which ain't abortion. And the President is not King. He can't force his opinions on the states, either.
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Post by Maxperson on Jun 24, 2022 17:52:49 GMT
I saw. Now it's back in the hands of the States where it always belonged. Trigger laws in multiple states will now force women and girls to bear the children of their rapists and pedo incestuous fathers. Then those people in those states need to vote those fuckers out and get things changed. You don't get to alter the Constitution to suit your wants and desires just because bad things are going to happen. You have to fight to get those bad things changed in the appropriate venue.
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