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Post by kirinke on Jun 4, 2022 1:23:34 GMT
Personally and this is just me, as long as it's not illegal, doesn't hurt anyone and is between willing adults, I don't give two flying shits about it. I've got bigger things to worry about than who fucks who how and how they prefer to dress or be called by. Meh.
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Post by 3catcircus on Jun 4, 2022 14:45:50 GMT
I'll respond here. Neither transsexuality nor homosexuality are in the current DSM, so psychiatric professionals don't think either one is a mental illness. Homophobia is a geriatric illness. Unfortunately we have to just wait for the homophobes to just die off naturally. When you demand I refer to you as something you obviously are not, that's when I stop taking you seriously.. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." -George Orwell, 1984 |
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Post by kirinke on Jun 4, 2022 15:14:41 GMT
Says the guy who buys into every quack cure Trump and his cronies push.
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Post by evileeyore on Jun 4, 2022 15:23:33 GMT
I'll respond here. Neither transsexuality nor homosexuality are in the current DSM, so psychiatric professionals don't think either one is a mental illness. And yet dysphoria is, which is the only reason it's considered treatable via hormones and surgery buy the US military (which is why some trans join up, which I think is a shame, military service increases their stress and suicide rate). Homophobia is a geriatric illness. Unfortunately we have to just wait for the homophobes to just die off naturally. That's some ageist bs there my dude. Plenty of young homophobes (though admittedly less and less as the young have a tendency towards progressivism - though not liberalism unfortunately). |
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Post by kirinke on Jun 4, 2022 16:20:14 GMT
Mmm. Military service does fuck alot of people up, not just trans, especially in war zones.
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Post by libtard on Jun 5, 2022 9:46:10 GMT
I don't think it's terribly controversial that there's a generation gap in attitudes toward sexuality and gender.
The core question is whether "woman" or "man" is a descriptor of gender identity, or of biological sex, or both. If society opts (collectively, unconsciously, through force or manipulation - by whatever means) to prefer one meaning (in this case, gender identity), then the meaning and attribution of the word has essentially changed: that is the linguistic/semiotic crux of the current debate. I am not advocating a position, btw.; I am merely pointing out the fact of the matter.
Saying that "a biological XX female is a biological XY male" would be the Orwellian step.
FWIW, I'm in favor of referring to people with their preferred pronoun - as a matter of politeness - regardless of whether or not they have a penis or vagina.
But I also think this is a distraction, insofar as that the only real ethical question to me, in all of this - i.e. a question which is not marginal to most people's experience, and inflated by media hype - is the administering of hormones and elective gender reassignment surgery to minors - which I oppose in almost all (i.e. non-intersex patient) cases.
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Post by kirinke on Jun 5, 2022 13:09:58 GMT
And my personal belief is, that sort of thing is best decided by the parents/doctor who should be, in general (with many caveats), trusted with what's best for the child. Every medical situation is different, so we collectively should stay the fuck out of other people's medical decisions.
I say in general and with many caveats due to the fact that there are some seriously fucked up parents out there who can and do abuse the system and the child.
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Post by libtard on Jun 5, 2022 15:32:45 GMT
And my personal belief is, that sort of thing is best decided by the parents/doctor who should be, in general (with many caveats), trusted with what's best for the child. Every medical situation is different, so we collectively should stay the fuck out of other people's medical decisions.
I say in general and with many caveats due to the fact that there are some seriously fucked up parents out there who can and do abuse the system and the child.
Some thoughts and observations: - Doctors and parents have not always, historically, demonstrated sound judgments with regard to children. In the past, girls who were considered "hypersexual" were recommended pharmacological or surgical intervention - including clitorectomies - to "remedy" their behaviors. Lobotomies were administered to "schizophrenics" in order to pacify them. The point is that medical understanding changes, and practices often reflect the current mores of society. An historical understanding of medicine is important, and medical professionals have shit historical understandings - which is why they think the "current" method is always the "right" method. Consider the sheer number of medical philosophies and perspectives which we've consigned to the garbage can of history.
- The availability of puberty blockers is particularly prevalent in the countries of the Anglosphere - the US, UK, Canada, Australia and New Zealand. There has been a large pushback from many European countries, especially France, Finland and Sweden. The different attitudes in these cases make me suspicious of the extent to which this is a cultural phenomenon. Is the majority medical opinion in France simply wrong?
- I am not persuaded that a minor can give informed consent. Period.
- I am not persuaded that pharmaceutical corporations can be trusted to act in the interest of anything other than their bottom line.
- Look at the list of drugs for used for chemical castration, and for inhibiting puberty in males: they are the same (Goserelin, Histrelin, Triptorelin, Leuroprolide). These are imprecise tools.
- The long-term effects of puberty blockers on children and teens - including brain and bone development - are, as yet, unknown. We simply don't have enough data. Nor do we really know the extent to which these interventions are really "reversible."
My fear - and I think it is a reasonable fear - is that in 15-20 years - we will have thousands of young adults who are trying to rectify their teenage choices, who resent their parents, and who are suing medical authorities for malpractice which fucked their lives up.
I don't know, but I think it's a reasonable fear. I really hope I'm wrong.
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Post by kirinke on Jun 5, 2022 16:50:10 GMT
I did say in general with many caveats didn't I?
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Post by evileeyore on Jun 6, 2022 12:24:14 GMT
My fear - and I think it is a reasonable fear - is that in 15-20 years - we will have thousands of young adults who are trying to rectify their teenage choices, who resent their parents, and who are suing medical authorities for malpractice which fucked their lives up. It's already happening. We already have hundreds of detransitioners who've fucked themselves up and the very socially vocal Pro-Transition Activists of LGBTQ++ community shuns them and harasses them. Transtrenders is a thing, and children (who don't know who they are and are willing to try anything the group makes seem attractive) are particularly prone to it. This is why I want any level of non-therapy transitioning to be held off until a child is 16, by then most 'trenders will have either figured out they aren't trans and moved on to another trend, or they know and have had years of therapy and psychological counseling to be prepared for chemical and surgical transitioning, which is it's own incredibly heavy stressor. |
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Post by 3catcircus on Jun 6, 2022 12:44:41 GMT
My fear - and I think it is a reasonable fear - is that in 15-20 years - we will have thousands of young adults who are trying to rectify their teenage choices, who resent their parents, and who are suing medical authorities for malpractice which fucked their lives up. It's already happening. We already have hundreds of detransitioners who've fucked themselves up and the very socially vocal Pro-Transition Activists of LGBTQ++ community shuns them and harasses them. Transtrenders is a thing, and children (who don't know who they are and are willing to try anything the group makes seem attractive) are particularly prone to it. This is why I want any level of non-therapy transitioning to be held off until a child is 16, by then most 'trenders will have either figured out they aren't trans and moved on to another trend, or they know and have had years of therapy and psychological counseling to be prepared for chemical and surgical transitioning, which is it's own incredibly heavy stressor. Teens have *never* known what they want with 100% certainty. Ever. That's why they experiment with drugs, alcohol, and sex. That's why you have same-sex experimentation in college that goes nowhere. That's fine ,- experiment away; but accept responsibility for your own behavior. What isn't cool is the trend of parents who are encouraging their pre-teen kids to go through irreversible changes. I'll have to dig it up, but there was a post by some woman that was mocked on twatter whete she discussed how she had to have a "counselor" at the hospital talk to her child for an hour and then she bribed her child in order to go through with injections of puberty blockers and then the kid cried the entire car ride home because he wasn't sure it was what he wanted. This is not parenting. It's Transchausen by Proxy and it needs to end. We have leftist activists chasing down people who infiltrated a drag show in TX and recorded video where kids were encouraged to put money in g-strings of transgenders dancing and encouraged to themselves dance for money. In other words, bacha bazi going on in Texas. It's not harmless, it's not normal. It's sexual abuse of children and it needs to end. |
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Post by libtard on Jun 8, 2022 2:38:55 GMT
We have leftist activists chasing down people who infiltrated a drag show in TX and recorded video where kids were encouraged to put money in g-strings of transgenders dancing and encouraged to themselves dance for money. Yes, we mustn't forget the pedo drag queens. There are thousands of them, and they present an imminent threat to the fabric of civilization. |
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Post by 3catcircus on Jun 8, 2022 12:06:32 GMT
We have leftist activists chasing down people who infiltrated a drag show in TX and recorded video where kids were encouraged to put money in g-strings of transgenders dancing and encouraged to themselves dance for money. Yes, we mustn't forget the pedo drag queens. There are thousands of them, and they present an imminent threat to the fabric of civilization. When the left tries to normalize pedophilia (or, rather, argue that it doesn't need to be normalized because it is normal), it is an existential threat to a civil society. The problem is that we have 2-3 generations of people who've raised children to be self-absorbed assholes with no moral compass and no self-control. The mental illness that pushes for allowing pedophilia and for transgendered youth is the same mental illness that causes people to shoot up schools, shoot each other in the streets of Chicago, riot when a criminal gets killed, seethe when someone isn't punished for exercising their right to self-defense, and continue to push for no borders. It's *all* tied together in one big ball of insanity and a refusal to think for oneself. |
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Post by kirinke on Jun 8, 2022 12:58:48 GMT
You do realize that most pedos are straight men right?
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Post by evileeyore on Jun 10, 2022 13:58:46 GMT
We have leftist activists chasing down people who infiltrated a drag show in TX and recorded video where kids were encouraged to put money in g-strings of transgenders dancing and encouraged to themselves dance for money. Yes, we mustn't forget the pedo drag queens. There are thousands of them, and they present an imminent threat to the fabric of civilization. There's that Umbrella of Protection, pretend something doesn't exist to get those complaining about the things you're protecting to go away and allow it to keep happening. Next you'll try to tell us there wasn't a 20+ year grooming gangs problem among the Muslim communities in Britain. You do realize that most pedos are straight men right? Only the ones who see jail time. The countless straight females who walk away because "women can't rape" and "boys will be boys" excuses that cover them needs to stop. If we had proper reporting, I bet solid money that would be the largest pedo demographic, cougars love young virile males. |
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