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Post by 3catcircus on May 16, 2022 21:13:35 GMT
And bringing a little morality back into diseased western society would be bad, why? Morality? Being gay is immoral? Two people in love marrying is immoral? Contraception is immoral? If that is morality, I'll be immoral, thanks. Fuck your Victorian version of morality. None of those things is immoral. And here's the issue. None of that is in itself immoral. The problem is society gave you the gay marriage and contraception inch, but now you want to take a "trans-pedo-beastiality threesome marriage while biological women indiscriminately kill fetuses as a standard form of birth control is ok" mile. Fuck that.
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Post by cyphersmith on May 16, 2022 21:39:22 GMT
And I don't actually care if it's alive. It's not a person. You can't murder something that isn't a person. In your opinion. Others have different opinions and in their opinion you can murder it before you feel that it's a person. And this is precisely why Roe needs to be overturned. You don't get to force your OPINION on what is or is not a person on others and neither do I. If you feel like it's not a person, vote that way or move to a state that agrees. Others who feel that it is a person will vote their way or move to a state where it is a person. This is a states rights issue. Actually, that's precisely why it should be a FEDERAL thing. This isn't something that anyone but the woman and her doctor should be deciding, putting it squarely in the realm of the Federal government.
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Post by cyphersmith on May 16, 2022 21:42:16 GMT
Morality? Being gay is immoral? Two people in love marrying is immoral? Contraception is immoral? If that is morality, I'll be immoral, thanks. Fuck your Victorian version of morality. None of those things is immoral. And here's the issue. None of that is in itself immoral. The problem is society gave you the gay marriage and contraception inch, but now you want to take a "trans-pedo-beastiality threesome marriage while biological women indiscriminately kill fetuses as a standard form of birth control is ok" mile. Fuck that. Putting pedophilia into it is wrong, as is putting bestiality. Equating those three as the same is fucking wrong. Fuck you and your bullshit. They're very fucking different. Oh, and putting polyamory in there as well is also bullshit. Fuck your "morality" that is nothing more than wanting to control what consenting adults do with each other.
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Post by cyphersmith on May 16, 2022 21:50:44 GMT
I was waiting for this False Equivalence to show up. Both sides are predictable with their fallacies. As I said earlier, I can draw a line from conception to death by old age and there isn't a spot on the line from 1 second after conception that you can break that line without ending the life of that person. Try that with cancer and see how far you get. Hint: Not far, because it's a False Equivalence. You set it up by making life equal to human personhood. They're not the same. If I'm old and have lost my mind because of something like Alzheimer's, that's not me anymore. I'm not there. You should have let me end it while I was still there. If my brain is dead because of accident or stroke or whatever, but my body still works, that's not me anymore. That body isn't a person anymore. Turn off the fucking power. Still ignoring the violinists scenario, though. No person has the right to use another person's body to live off of, even if them not having that use kills them.
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Post by 3catcircus on May 16, 2022 22:24:27 GMT
And here's the issue. None of that is in itself immoral. The problem is society gave you the gay marriage and contraception inch, but now you want to take a "trans-pedo-beastiality threesome marriage while biological women indiscriminately kill fetuses as a standard form of birth control is ok" mile. Fuck that. Putting pedophilia into it is wrong, as is putting bestiality. Equating those three as the same is fucking wrong. Fuck you and your bullshit. They're very fucking different. Oh, and putting polyamory in there as well is also bullshit. Fuck your "morality" that is nothing more than wanting to control what consenting adults do with each other. Yeah, because leftists aren't actively trying to delude children into chopping off body parts in the name of transgenderism... Because we don't have drag queens reading stories to children. Because we don't have schools trying to hide showing children "educational material" consisting of questiobably gendered youth giving each other blowjobs. Because we don't have trans being arrested for child sexual assault... It's never been about consenting adults, it's always been about brainwashing the next generation.
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Post by Maxperson on May 16, 2022 22:56:55 GMT
In your opinion. Others have different opinions and in their opinion you can murder it before you feel that it's a person. And this is precisely why Roe needs to be overturned. You don't get to force your OPINION on what is or is not a person on others and neither do I. If you feel like it's not a person, vote that way or move to a state that agrees. Others who feel that it is a person will vote their way or move to a state where it is a person. This is a states rights issue. Actually, that's precisely why it should be a FEDERAL thing. This isn't something that anyone but the woman and her doctor should be deciding, putting it squarely in the realm of the Federal government. Then get an amendment passed. Could, should, would, it doesn't matter because it isn't. It doesn't become a federal matter just because you think it should be.
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Post by Maxperson on May 16, 2022 22:58:10 GMT
I was waiting for this False Equivalence to show up. Both sides are predictable with their fallacies. As I said earlier, I can draw a line from conception to death by old age and there isn't a spot on the line from 1 second after conception that you can break that line without ending the life of that person. Try that with cancer and see how far you get. Hint: Not far, because it's a False Equivalence. You set it up by making life equal to human personhood. They're not the same. If I'm old and have lost my mind because of something like Alzheimer's, that's not me anymore. I'm not there. You should have let me end it while I was still there. If my brain is dead because of accident or stroke or whatever, but my body still works, that's not me anymore. That body isn't a person anymore. Turn off the fucking power. Still ignoring the violinists scenario, though. No person has the right to use another person's body to live off of, even if them not having that use kills them. Okay. I really didn't think I needed to explain context to you, but in the context of an abortion discussion, life = human life. Not cancer cells. Not a duck. Not the game.
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Post by cyphersmith on May 17, 2022 0:58:33 GMT
You set it up by making life equal to human personhood. They're not the same. If I'm old and have lost my mind because of something like Alzheimer's, that's not me anymore. I'm not there. You should have let me end it while I was still there. If my brain is dead because of accident or stroke or whatever, but my body still works, that's not me anymore. That body isn't a person anymore. Turn off the fucking power. Still ignoring the violinists scenario, though. No person has the right to use another person's body to live off of, even if them not having that use kills them. Okay. I really didn't think I needed to explain context to you, but in the context of an abortion discussion, life = human life. Not cancer cells. Not a duck. Not the game. I said not a damned thing in that post about life being or not being human life. I said life does not equal personhood. A fetus is not a person. It has no rights. Even if it did, it does not have the right to use another person's body without that persons consent.
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Post by cyphersmith on May 17, 2022 1:48:09 GMT
Putting pedophilia into it is wrong, as is putting bestiality. Equating those three as the same is fucking wrong. Fuck you and your bullshit. They're very fucking different. Oh, and putting polyamory in there as well is also bullshit. Fuck your "morality" that is nothing more than wanting to control what consenting adults do with each other. Yeah, because leftists aren't actively trying to delude children into chopping off body parts in the name of transgenderism... Because we don't have drag queens reading stories to children. Because we don't have schools trying to hide showing children "educational material" consisting of questiobably gendered youth giving each other blowjobs. Because we don't have trans being arrested for child sexual assault... It's never been about consenting adults, it's always been about brainwashing the next generation. That's a fucking laugh. It's not about brainwashing you twit. No doctor will do trans surgery on a minor. It's simply NOT done. IDGAF about drag queens reading stories to kids. I have not one iota of a problem with it. I have no fucking clue what the fuck you're talking about wrt schools showing youths giving blowjobs. And your bullshit misconceptions regarding trans people are just wrong and inaccurate. While there will be evil fucks of all types, to put all trans people into the same bucket as those evil fucks is just plain disgusting. You're wrong. Plain and simple. It has ALWAYS been about consent. They want to be able to live their lives in peace. Fuck you for not letting them, and for causing them harm.
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Post by 3catcircus on May 17, 2022 2:03:24 GMT
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Post by Maxperson on May 17, 2022 2:11:55 GMT
Okay. I really didn't think I needed to explain context to you, but in the context of an abortion discussion, life = human life. Not cancer cells. Not a duck. Not the game. I said not a damned thing in that post about life being or not being human life. I said life does not equal personhood. A fetus is not a person. It has no rights. Even if it did, it does not have the right to use another person's body without that persons consent. You're looking at this from a legal standpoint, which is a flawed position. Just because some people in robes decided what personhood is, doesn't make them right. They just forced their opinion on the matter on everyone else. Many of us reject their opinions. A person starts at conception and ends at death by natural causes or unnatural causes. My opinion is every bit as valid as yours is here.
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Post by evileeyore on May 17, 2022 5:57:42 GMT
Because we don't have drag queens reading stories to children. And exposing themselves. Don't leave off the part that many of us liberals take exception to. Drag queens reading stories to kids while dressed in an appropriate manner to be around children? A-okay. Drag queens dressed inappropriately while being around children? Not okay. That's a fucking laugh. It's not about brainwashing you twit. Of course it is. That's what the whole argument of allowing† children to have agency over their gender and sexuality is about, a thinly veiled attempt to grant them the status of "sexually available". You really should dig into the whole "MAP"‡ argument and problem before siding with those supporting their arguments. Unless you're an ally of the pedos. † And not just allowing, but demanding, forcing children via peer pressure and pressure for authorities, teachers, to question who they are, and being castigated if they chose wrong. ‡ Minor Attracted Person - the new LGBTT2QQIAA way of socially accepting pedos into the mix. And isn't aimed at grooming children? Look at the fucking link address... not grooming kids my ass. There are troves of videos of teachers and queerfolk talking about how great it is when they can get a kid to question who they are and open up to the idea of being what they want them to be. It's as bad as the fucking fundis and their "straight camps".
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Post by 3catcircus on May 17, 2022 12:02:48 GMT
Because we don't have drag queens reading stories to children. And exposing themselves. Don't leave off the part that many of us liberals take exception to. Drag queens reading stories to kids while dressed in an appropriate manner to be around children? A-okay. Drag queens dressed inappropriately while being around children? Not okay. That's a fucking laugh. It's not about brainwashing you twit. Of course it is. That's what the whole argument of allowing† children to have agency over their gender and sexuality is about, a thinly veiled attempt to grant them the status of "sexually available". You really should dig into the whole "MAP"‡ argument and problem before siding with those supporting their arguments. Unless you're an ally of the pedos. † And not just allowing, but demanding, forcing children via peer pressure and pressure for authorities, teachers, to question who they are, and being castigated if they chose wrong. ‡ Minor Attracted Person - the new LGBTT2QQIAA way of socially accepting pedos into the mix. And isn't aimed at grooming children? Look at the fucking link address... not grooming kids my ass. There are troves of videos of teachers and queerfolk talking about how great it is when they can get a kid to question who they are and open up to the idea of being what they want them to be. It's as bad as the fucking fundis and their "straight camps". I hear you on the drag queens, but I don't know that I agree. A totally passable MtF who just hasn't had surgery yet, who doesn't have a deep voice and stubble? Ok - so long as the kids don't end up "accidentally" seeing the sausage between "her" thighs. But, most of the drag queens reading stories to 5 year olds come off looking like Pennywise the clown. More importantly - why are they volunteering to read to kids unless they have an ulterior motive? They can't read to them when not wearing a dress and warpaint, if it's just about volunteering rather than trying to normalize the abnormal?
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Post by evileeyore on May 17, 2022 14:50:56 GMT
I hear you on the drag queens, but I don't know that I agree. A totally passable MtF who just hasn't had surgery yet, who doesn't have a deep voice and stubble? As far as I'm concerned they don't even have to pass. We already have clowns (I mean people dressing up as clowns) where it's women wearing men's clothes, fake make-up stubble, short hair,, "Hobo" clown style doing children's parties and reading programs (I know, my buddy's Mom used to do that as a Hobo-clown, she even did substitute teaching for Pre-school and K-2nd in her Hobo-clown getup), and never had any issues there. I've never seen the problem with men wearing women's clothes. Now, that said, that's not drag. Men wearing women's clothes is barely the tip of the drag iceberg... and it's the rest of the drag baggage that I want to keep away from children. And most drag queens do as well, at least the respectable, non-pedo ones do. Yeah, most who doing that are the groomers. 110%, ulterior motive. Again, I'm fine with normalizing some of the abnormal, guys in dresses, wigs, and respectable make-up? A-okay. Guys in "scary drag paint" and highly sexualized attire (even if the sausage stays tucked away)? Not okay. Keep it in the clubs on Mardi Gras girls.
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Post by cyphersmith on May 17, 2022 15:24:14 GMT
You are misrepresenting anecdotes as data. Fuck off.
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