Asshattery Forever

Ovinomancer said:
I wouldn't rely too much on Max's take on informal logical fallacies. He likes citing them, but is often wrong. Here, for instance, @aldarc discussed specific behavior and labeled it. That's not an ad hom, because it's discussing specific behavior. It might be wrong, but it isn't the informal logical fallacy of ad hominin. That would be if he ignored making any argument about a specific behavior, called you names, and said you were wrong because you were those names. That isn't this.

I now return you to the regularly scheduled discussion about words and their meanings: Check out our new word, Fearmongering!^[2]

Ovinomancer said:
I'm not being nasty. Max often throws out informal logical fallacies when they aren't actually there. I clarified that there was no logical fallacy, made no statement about the correctness or incorrectness of @aldarc claim of fearmongering, and left with a pithy joke. Please, continue with hashing out this latest brouhaha over the meaning of words.^[3]

Ovinomancer said:
Man, this is really after you, isn't it? Responding twice to the same post? You should charge me rent for all this space in your head! I'm cheap, though, so I'll probably skip paying and you'll have to evict me, but I'll warn you I might sneak back in and squat.

Max is usually fully invested in informal logical fallacies. I've been around that block with him a few times. S'ok, I just tend to point them out from time to time. And, yes, you are getting dogpiled. It's not because people are mean, or that you're a visionary being set upon by the masses, but rather that your recent arguments are so outlandishly framed that they invite lots of responses to the negative. You've literally claimed that you're worried that using "fiction" will cause undue confusion in people if allowed out of this thread, which is just silly because it's been in the wild, used exactly as it has been in this thread, for decades. It's not a new thing, and your fears have not come to fruition. I think the fearmongering thing is, as you noted, hyperbolic, but it at least gave you a new vector for claiming to be a victim instead of examining the silliness of some of your arguments (specifically the "fiction" one, oh, and the claiming that people are denying "living world" is even possible -- I don't know how anyone could say this, as no one outside of you and a few others even understand what it means and no one's bothered to put out a good explanation -- hmm, maybe it doesn't exist?). I hope that works out well for you, you seem to be pretty adept at managing these things, given that we're so far into this thread and you've managed to make it about you and your concern over words. Kudos!^[4]

Ovinomancer said:
I'm not making fun of him, I'm saying he's wrong in this case. When did saying people are wrong, and explaining why, become making fun of them? And, it's also true that Max often throws out logical fallacies -- they seem, to him, to be easy win buttons that you just have to press if a situation looks remotely close enough. Meh, not really concerned about your tone policing here, anyway. Max was incorrect, it's not an ad hom, and I'm less and less interested in letting you direct conversation away from any useful discussion. Toodles!^[5]