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Post by Maxperson on Dec 11, 2019 13:22:22 GMT
Your criteria make no sense. The Nazi party was founded in 1920. It assumed power in 1933. Czechoslovakia was occupied in 1938. The Holocaust started in 1941. There are people who glorify the Third Reich, perpetuate hate crimes, and self-identify as Nazis. That's good enough for me. The Holocaust set the standard. Spit on the Jews all you like if "that's good enough for you." Just don't expect me to respect you as a human being if you do it. The people who "perpetuate hate crimes" and "self-identify" as Nazis are not Nazis. Their "hate crimes" consist of some vandalism, bad words and sometimes beating people up. That pales in comparison to what it takes to be a real Nazi. The real Nazis shot infant Jews in the head for no other reason than they were Jews. The real Nazis shoved people into ovens by the hundreds and thousands. The real Nazis invaded others to force them to bend to their practices and take their Jews to be murdered. I mean seriously dude. Your criteria above means that if I fly in an airplane(go small way in the direction of space, like current racists go a small way towards what the Nazis did) and self-identify as an astronaut, then that's good enough for me to be an astronaut. |
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Post by Maxperson on Dec 11, 2019 13:23:54 GMT
Especially since there really aren't any Nazis at all. The real Nazis set the bar really high on what it takes to be a Nazi. It takes shooting infants in the head for being Jewish. It takes shoving Jews into ovens by the hundreds and thousands. It takes invading your neighbors and forcibly carting off their Jews. Other than the rare individual who goes in and commits mass murder in a Jewish Temple, there aren't any Nazis. They didn't just go after the Jews. Don't get me wrong, the Jews were at the top of the list, but that list was long and relatively comprehensive. ... self-identify as Nazis. That's all I require to consider someone a Nazi. So if I self-identify as God, you'll consider me to be God? All it takes is self-identification? No. That's not sufficient. There are no Nazis, just racist assholes who incorrectly call themselves Nazis. |
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Post by Libtard on Dec 11, 2019 18:15:36 GMT
So if I self-identify as God, you'll consider me to be God? That's just silly, isn't it?
If you self-identify as a Christian, I'll consider you a Christian. Or if as a Marxist, a Marxist. Or if as a Jew, a Jew. Or as a Democrat, a Democrat. I'd give you the benefit of the doubt.
If you self-identified as a Nazi, I'd give you the benefit of the doubt there, too.
You seem to be conflating "what Nazis did during the Shoah" with "who is a Nazi?" This is a dangerous fallacy. From my perspective, covering your ears and eyes and saying "But these aren't real Nazis" is the bigger problem.
Perhaps you should reflect before baselessly flinging around accusations of anti-Semitism? It does nothing to advance your position.
Why? How? For whom?
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Post by evileeyore on Dec 11, 2019 22:00:22 GMT
So if I self-identify as God, you'll consider me to be God? Yes, but I warn my faith has the invocation "Murder the Gods and Topple Their Thrones". Do you still wish to self-identify as a god? |
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Post by Maxperson on Dec 12, 2019 2:07:55 GMT
So if I self-identify as God, you'll consider me to be God? That's just silly, isn't it?
If you self-identify as a Christian, I'll consider you a Christian. Or if as a Marxist, a Marxist. Or if as a Jew, a Jew. Or as a Democrat, a Democrat. I'd give you the benefit of the doubt.
If you self-identified as a Nazi, I'd give you the benefit of the doubt there, too. Assuming is stupid. People lie about their faiths or whatever, or are just plain wrong. See all the "Christians" who don't actually practice what they preach.[/p]
I'm not conflating anything. The Nazis of WWII set the bar.
Calling someone who spits on the graves and memories of the millions of Jews murdered by the Nazis an anti-semite is not baseless. For the Nazis, obviously. How I will let you read. If you don't know about the Holocaust, I don't want diminish it by telling you. The why is extreme racism.
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Post by Kzach on Dec 12, 2019 2:11:45 GMT
I can't on this board, but on the previous board, I believe you did. If I'm wrong, I'll eat crow. You use it too much though. Calling people Nazi because they disagree with you is wrong and quite frankly, using it as a way to bolster your argument isn't effective at all. I never used it on you. Only on actually Nazis (I do not discriminate. I call Nazi any white supremacist). I just happen to disagree with Nazis. This is why you might see a correlation between disagreement and Nazism. |
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Post by Libtard on Dec 12, 2019 4:23:41 GMT
Who gets to decide if someone is "wrong" about their faith? You?
Disagreeing about the definition of Nazi is not "spitting on the graves and memories of millions of Jews."
But failing to acknowledge fascism, to call it out for what it is, and to resist it?
It must be very convenient for you, to make the Shoahthe defining feature of Nazism. It means that the vandalism, bad words and sometimes beating people up of the early 1930s wasn't perpetrated by Nazis.
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Post by Maxperson on Dec 12, 2019 5:48:47 GMT
Who gets to decide if someone is "wrong" about their faith? You? The faith sets out the criteria. Don't assume that people are what they say that they are. Minimizing the horrific acts of the Holocaust by calling racist assholes Nazis is, though. Every time you call some two bit racist a Nazi, you are minimizing the Holocaust and the tragedy that the victims of it suffer. Aaaaaahahahahahaahahaha! Ohhhhohohohohohoho! Heeeheheheheheheeheheh! Oh, man! The logic fail there was tremendous. Nothing I said implies in any way that the real Nazis didn't do those relatively(compared to real Nazis) minor racist acts. The real Nazis just also committed the atrocities as well. It takes both to be a Nazi. |
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Post by Kzach on Dec 12, 2019 13:00:54 GMT
"No true Nazi would just vandalize a grave" is my new favorite logically fallacy.
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Post by Libtard on Dec 12, 2019 15:12:17 GMT
And you think that a given "faith" has objective criteria...
It seems that we have no common ground for understanding human phenomena. I prefer the logical and evidentiary. You like to ejaculate with your feelings, and identify your hallucinations with an external reality.
But I'm glad we've finally established that the thousands of Nazis who died of old age before Hitler even came to power really were Nazis.
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Post by Kzach on Dec 12, 2019 17:01:28 GMT
But I'm glad we've finally established that the thousands of Nazis who died of old age before Hitler even came to power really were Nazis.I'm just glad no Nazis were born after his death thanks to Max's criteria. |
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Post by cyphersmith on Dec 12, 2019 17:31:28 GMT
And you think that a given "faith" has objective criteria... It seems that we have no common ground for understanding human phenomena. I prefer the logical and evidentiary. You like to ejaculate with your feelings, and identify your hallucinations with an external reality. But I'm glad we've finally established that the thousands of Nazis who died of old age before Hitler even came to power really were Nazis.For that matter, many of the Nazis in Germany during WWII wouldn't be Nazis by his definition. For not all Nazis participated in those acts, not by a long shot. |
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Post by Kzach on Dec 12, 2019 18:35:28 GMT
The sad irony is that I remember Max saying he was Jewish or part Jewish on the other site.
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Post by Libtard on Dec 12, 2019 20:55:27 GMT
For that matter, many of the Nazis in Germany during WWII wouldn't be Nazis by his definition. For not all Nazis participated in those acts, not by a long shot.
I used to identify as a Stalinist, but then I discovered that I couldn't be one because I hadn't collectivized half of all Soviet farms before 1931.
So I tried being a Maoist instead, but discovered that I had to starve 50 million people to death in a Great Leap Forward. Turns out I can't be a Maoist, either.
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Post by kirinke on Dec 13, 2019 1:11:34 GMT
I'm a middle of the road Liberal.Though I do hug the shoulder sometimes.  |
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