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Post by kirinke on Mar 5, 2022 0:47:57 GMT
Honestly, I don't like mandates, but I understand why they are there. I also understand the protestors right to protest. However, the way they went about it was wrong, which in turn led to the heavy-handed approach the government took. Look at the riots that happened in 2020. It was 100% wrong and illegal of the protestors to turn violent and do whatever they did beyond "picketing" (I use that in the broadest sense of the word). The government came down hard on them. In this case, it was 100% wrong and illegal to blockade roads like the protestors did in this case. Protest is ok. Expressing your opinion is ok. Boycotting is ok. Going on strike is ok. Violence, blockading roads and such-like isn't okay. For anybody. It's also illegal. The government response is not going to be good when you do that sort of thing.
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In your case for example, you'd be perfectly okay with a bunch of liberals blockading your street and your path to work or to the grocery or whatever, every day for weeks, for whatever reason, while having loud parties (that you're not invited to), honking their horns at all hours of the night and other wise behaving like soccer hooligans on a month long bender at best? Then when they were told to disperse, they don't and start having skirmishes with the cops while wearing body armor in the best case scenario and indulging in riots in the worst.
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Yeaah.... I don't see you being fine with that. I mean, you're still not fine with the riots that happened in 2020. Not that I am either, I think violence and in general actions like that are wrong, not to mention self-defeating. You're much better off getting your people in office and changing the system that way.
Novel concept that...
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Post by cyphersmith on Mar 7, 2022 16:18:34 GMT
Honestly, I don't like mandates, but I understand why they are there. I also understand the protestors right to protest. However, the way they went about it was wrong, which in turn led to the heavy-handed approach the government took. Look at the riots that happened in 2020. It was 100% wrong and illegal of the protestors to turn violent and do whatever they did beyond "picketing" (I use that in the broadest sense of the word). The government came down hard on them. In this case, it was 100% wrong and illegal to blockade roads like the protestors did in this case. Protest is ok. Expressing your opinion is ok. Boycotting is ok. Going on strike is ok. Violence, blockading roads and such-like isn't okay. For anybody. It's also illegal. The government response is not going to be good when you do that sort of thing.
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In your case for example, you'd be perfectly okay with a bunch of liberals blockading your street and your path to work or to the grocery or whatever, every day for weeks, for whatever reason, while having loud parties (that you're not invited to), honking their horns at all hours of the night and other wise behaving like soccer hooligans on a month long bender at best? Then when they were told to disperse, they don't and start having skirmishes with the cops while wearing body armor in the best case scenario and indulging in riots in the worst.
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Yeaah.... I don't see you being fine with that. I mean, you're still not fine with the riots that happened in 2020. Not that I am either, I think violence and in general actions like that are wrong, not to mention self-defeating. You're much better off getting your people in office and changing the system that way.
Novel concept that...
You're still not getting it. The problem is going after the money donated to them and calling them terrorists so that they could use those laws against them as well.
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Post by evileeyore on Mar 7, 2022 18:08:10 GMT
You're still not getting it. The problem is going after the money donated to them and calling them terrorists so that they could use those laws against them as well. But cyph, it was done to the her enemies, so it can't be a bad thing. She'll never understand that governmental overreach will never be walked back and this will now be used against the left when the right is next in power in Canada (and of course we're already preparing for when our gov wants to do the same [1][2]). 1 - FBI likening parents to terrorists for speaking out against teachers, though they did have to walk it back once the backlash hit (Garland hasn't walked it back though). 2 - New DHS guidelines that designate "free speech" as a terror weapon. (Yeah, yeah, the People's Party is pretty biased, but the article is remarkably straight forward and pinpoints the problem with this directive. 3ish - Biden's Admin labeling the Proud Boys domestic terrorists, same move Trump did with Antifa - which under US law means if you donate to any Antifa or Proud Boy organization you can be arrested for aiding terrorism.
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Post by libtard on Mar 7, 2022 18:45:56 GMT
Just stop with this "us" and "them" shit already. Don't you understand that you are as much a victim of polarization as the Trumpists whom you purport to oppose, and in contradistinction to whom you continually define yourself? Stop with the tu quoque and simply look at the arguments, and their implications.
Until you realize that the entire narrative of this bogus "culture war" - which is described along lines entirely determined by media and political interests - is not in your own interests, you will remain stuck in a conflict which is being propagated precisely in order to divide and conquer.
Let your anger go. Breathe. Relax.
Now. Stop and think about human history. I'm going to make a simple, uncontroversial statement:
Politicians are narcissistic sociopaths.
And maybe you'll nod, and accept it - in a kind of humorous, semi-dismissive way - but stop and consider the actual implications. What that really means. Because, until that simple truth becomes foundational to the way that you interpret the world, you will always be susceptible to the propaganda which they try to foist upon you.
And then stop again, and consider another foundational truth:
The purpose of a corporation - including a media corporation - is to generate revenue for its owners and shareholders.
Now meditate on the intersection of these truths.
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Post by cyphersmith on Mar 8, 2022 20:54:22 GMT
You're still not getting it. The problem is going after the money donated to them and calling them terrorists so that they could use those laws against them as well. But cyph, it was done to the her enemies, so it can't be a bad thing. She'll never understand that governmental overreach will never be walked back and this will now be used against the left when the right is next in power in Canada (and of course we're already preparing for when our gov wants to do the same [1][2]). 1 - FBI likening parents to terrorists for speaking out against teachers, though they did have to walk it back once the backlash hit (Garland hasn't walked it back though). Wasn't that people who were making actual threats against school board members? Where some of those people weren't even in the school district? Wasn't there some violence as well? Not sure they counted as terrorists (I really hate using that label, especially after the way that the Patriot Act can be used against terrorists), though. That particular label is being over used. That's something of a problem because the label isn't a good fit for either organization. The Proud Boys are more of a gang, and what Antifa is depends on where you're talking about. Portland's Antifa organization is pretty disorganized, considering there really isn't one leader. And that seems kinda common for Antifa from what I understand.
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Post by libtard on Mar 9, 2022 10:32:37 GMT
But cyph, it was done to the her enemies, so it can't be a bad thing. She'll never understand that governmental overreach will never be walked back and this will now be used against the left when the right is next in power in Canada (and of course we're already preparing for when our gov wants to do the same [1][2]). 1 - FBI likening parents to terrorists for speaking out against teachers, though they did have to walk it back once the backlash hit (Garland hasn't walked it back though). Wasn't that people who were making actual threats against school board members? Where some of those people weren't even in the school district? Wasn't there some violence as well? Not sure they counted as terrorists (I really hate using that label, especially after the way that the Patriot Act can be used against terrorists), though. That particular label is being over used. That's something of a problem because the label isn't a good fit for either organization. The Proud Boys are more of a gang, and what Antifa is depends on where you're talking about. Portland's Antifa organization is pretty disorganized, considering there really isn't one leader. And that seems kinda common for Antifa from what I understand. It's my understanding that although individuals may be charged, "DTO" (domestic terrorist organization) doesn't exist as a legal category, only FTO (foreign). Trump's efforts to brand Antifa as terrorist failed because of this, and I imagine the Biden Administration wouldn't be able to make it stick to the Proud Boys, either. Last I read, the DHS were pushing for DTO to become an actionable classification as far as material support and donations were concerned, but hadn't made any headway. Correct me if I'm wrong, as I'm no expert. The idea of a DTO is inherently bad, in any event. The whole notion of "terrorism" has become much too fluid and convenient.
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Post by kirinke on Mar 9, 2022 11:08:45 GMT
There has to be some definition though. I thought the Patriot Act kinda spelled it out? I'm not too fluent on the language of that law though. I'm also perfectly well aware that politicians especially love to use domestic terrorism to label organizations they don't like.
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Post by libtard on Mar 9, 2022 11:50:39 GMT
There has to be some definition though. I thought the Patriot Act kinda spelled it out? I'm not too fluent on the language of that law though. I'm also perfectly well aware that politicians especially love to use domestic terrorism to label organizations they don't like.
There are laws for murder, extortion, conspiracy etc. which are more than adequate to address this kind of bad behavior, and laws regarding foreign actors which go way further. Designating an individual or domestic organization as “terrorist” is a political act, and only useful as a way of pissing all over their civil rights.
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Post by evileeyore on Mar 9, 2022 16:43:49 GMT
There are laws for murder, extortion, conspiracy etc. which are more than adequate to address this kind of bad behavior, and laws regarding foreign actors which go way further. Designating an individual or domestic organization as “terrorist” is a political act, and only useful as a way of pissing all over their civil rights. Exactly, and we already have RICO (as rights stompy as that is) so we don't need the Gov thinking it can start drone striking civilians on US soil... it's bad enough we've been doing at away games.
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Post by kirinke on Mar 12, 2022 14:36:08 GMT
Please. Take off the tin foil hat. The minute some official does that is the minute they get arrested.
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Post by kirinke on Jun 18, 2022 14:54:16 GMT
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Post by kirinke on Jul 10, 2022 23:44:22 GMT
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Post by libtard on Oct 26, 2022 5:44:42 GMT
Robot Billionaire Thatcherite Rishi Sunak (or Rashy Sanook as Joe Biden prefers to call him) is the new PM of former imperial power, the barely-United Kingdom. Let's raise a glass to Rashy, whose party is currently at 18% in the polls, pray his rash isn't too itchy, and wish him the best for his next 45 days in power.
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