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Post by cyphersmith on Mar 2, 2022 21:27:32 GMT
Again, where are you getting the idea that the convoy was full of Americans? They are "bad conservotards" and kirinke has forgotten that despite Canada being further left than the US, Canada still has conservatives*. Trudeau didn't manage to outlaw conservative thought yet. * Who, like in the US, are largely the rural, the small business owner, and the surprisingly large numbers of ethnic minorities. But, as in the US, the big city white elites forget the 'fly country' even exists. I suspect it's also because a lot of the money that was going to them was donated by American conservatives, so of course American conservatives must have been the ones doing it. |
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Post by kirinke on Mar 3, 2022 1:01:50 GMT
Figured it was mostly USer's behaving badly. My bad.
It's still pretty stupid. The vaccine mandates are there to keep people healthy and alive. Something that is a large part of worker's rights. Y'know, not to work in an unsafe environment?
Btw, anti-vaxxers aren't conservatives. They're their own thing, which is mostly conspiracy theorists. It's like calling the Ancient Alien wackadoos conservative. "Conservatives" just embrace their crazy for the vote.
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Post by evileeyore on Mar 3, 2022 21:22:10 GMT
Btw, anti-vaxxers aren't conservatives. Well, no, they are conservative, liberal, Left, Right, centrist, etc. "Antivaxxers" really have only that one thing in common, they don't like vaccines for whatever individual reason. The Freedom Convoy, however, isn't 'anti-vaxx', they are anti-vaccine mandates* and anti vaccine passports*, as some are actually vaccinated they just don't want to have to have a vaccine to work or vaccine passport to be able to travel in their own country. Some are naturally immunized and don't want the risk of the vaccine since they've already had COVID and gotten over it just fine. I mean I'm anti-vaccine mandate and passport, and I'm vaccinated. And I urged others I knew who hadn't yet gotten COVID to vaccinate if their doctor thought it was good for them. I'm just against telling they have to get vaccinated. And again, you lump people into categories they aren't necessarily in. Most Leftist anti-vaxxers disbelieve conspiracies, they just believe that specific (or all in some cases) vaccines risks outweigh the protection. Now this will blow your tiny little mind, a vast number of Leftist anti-vaxxers aren't against COVID vaccine mandates for adults, they're against giving vaccines to children because of autism, auto-immune, and retardation fears, but believe that once 'adult' or teenaged, the brain/immune system is matured enough, and the vaccines can no longer make their kids retards or give them an auto-immune disorder. And there is very funny, small Venn intersect of "Leftist Anti-vaxxer" and "Pro-transition Children" groups that I find outright hilarious to watch them try to explain why it's bad to give children a vaccine, but okay to give them sex change hormones and surgery... |
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Post by libtard on Mar 3, 2022 22:08:06 GMT
Figured it was mostly USer's behaving badly. My bad.
It's still pretty stupid. The vaccine mandates are there to keep people healthy and alive. Something that is a large part of worker's rights. Y'know, not to work in an unsafe environment?
You really need to dig a little deeper. These were people who were acting entirely lawfully, and who were raising funds entirely lawfully, against whom the Canadian government moved and threw accusations of "terrorism" and "money laundering" in order to invoke laws which were never imagined to suppress this kind of popular movement. It was an absolute distortion of the legal system in the service of a political ideology. The notion of "fascism" within the context of Canada might seem almost laughable; ridiculously quaint. But that's exactly what this action was - fascistic. It was utter bullshit. I suspect that, after this episode has had time to percolate and its consequences fully digested, this realization will dawn on a lot of Canadians. |
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Post by cyphersmith on Mar 3, 2022 23:35:27 GMT
Figured it was mostly USer's behaving badly. My bad.
It's still pretty stupid. The vaccine mandates are there to keep people healthy and alive. Something that is a large part of worker's rights. Y'know, not to work in an unsafe environment?
You really need to dig a little deeper. These were people who were acting entirely lawfully, and who were raising funds entirely lawfully, against whom the Canadian government moved and threw accusations of "terrorism" and "money laundering" in order to invoke laws which were never imagined to suppress this kind of popular movement. It was an absolute distortion of the legal system in the service of a political ideology. The notion of "fascism" within the context of Canada might seem almost laughable; ridiculously quaint. But that's exactly what this action was - fascistic. It was utter bullshit. I suspect that, after this episode has had time to percolate and its consequences fully digested, this realization will dawn on a lot of Canadians. While I mostly agree with this, is blocking traffic, for whatever reason, entirely lawful? Seriously, it's essentially a blockade, which is an act of war. On the other hand, calling it terrorism is a bit too far, and using the legal system to steal money contributed to them is way the fuck too far. Arresting them and moving the trucks? I could get behind that. Protest all you want. Don't fuck with other people's ability to do what they want. By the same token, though, don't fucking take the law into your own hands and try to break said blockage yourself. Running over protestors breaking the law is still assault with a deadly weapon at the very least. |
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Post by kirinke on Mar 3, 2022 23:54:08 GMT
The reason why we have the mandates and passports is to make the Anti-vaxxers get vaccinated, they sure as hell aren't going to do it on their own.
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Post by 3catcircus on Mar 4, 2022 0:45:03 GMT
The reason why we have the mandates and passports is to make the Anti-vaxxers get vaccinated, they sure as hell aren't going to do it on their own. We've tried explaining this to you on so many different occasions, but it's obvious you don't get it. The only thing that can be done with you is to send you someplace more to your way of thinking. Only one stop needed in China before you land in the DPRK... |
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Post by libtard on Mar 4, 2022 6:43:33 GMT
No, but most of the people at the protests didn't own trucks, much less use them to block the roads. These people were not anti-vaxxers - the majority were vaccinated. They were people concerned about the implications of submitting to a bureaucratic, poorly-administered system of control and information gathering. And you're still missing the point. The Canadian government distorted laws designed to prevent terrorism in order to punish a crowdfunding drive. Because, you know, terrorists don't typically have a gofundme page. The Canadian government has admitted it was all bullshit. Look: Toronto Sun |
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Post by kirinke on Mar 4, 2022 12:37:11 GMT
Dear, that's a conspiracy theory. It's a vaccine, not a suppression tool. And yes, I'm fully aware they aren't anti-vaxxers now, but they are encouraging those fools with their tinfoil hat nonsense. What next, aliens are in control of vaccine distribution?
Jesus. Some people will cut off their nose to spite their face sometimes.
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Post by libtard on Mar 4, 2022 15:09:34 GMT
Dear, that's a conspiracy theory. It's a vaccine, not a suppression tool. And yes, I'm fully aware they aren't anti-vaxxers now, but they are encouraging those fools with their tinfoil hat nonsense. What next, aliens are in control of vaccine distribution?
Jesus. Some people will cut off their nose to spite their face sometimes.
The only reason I would cut off my nose is so that it doesn't get in the way when I bang my head against the wall. |
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Post by kirinke on Mar 4, 2022 15:33:58 GMT
Lol. You won't ever be able to convince me that vaccines are bad and anti-vaxxers are smart.
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Post by libtard on Mar 4, 2022 16:18:10 GMT
Lol. You won't ever be able to convince me that vaccines are bad and anti-vaxxers are smart.
How did you ever even get to this absurd argument? Do you realize there are around 7.8 billion people who are less obtuse than you? I'll write it nice and big, so you can understand the core problem: : IT BAD WHEN GOVERNMENT TELL LIES AND CALL PEOPLE TERRORISTS SO THEY CAN TAKE THEIR MONEY AWAY AND SILENCE THEM |
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Post by kirinke on Mar 4, 2022 19:30:32 GMT
Okay... Devil's advocate here. Is it okay for people to encourage other people not to take the vaccine, while blockading a city? How do you get them to knock it off without giving into their demands all the while keeping it as non-violent as possible?
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Post by evileeyore on Mar 4, 2022 19:57:08 GMT
You won't ever be able to convince me that vaccines are bad and anti-vaxxers are smart. No one is trying to. Pay attention to what is being said and not what you imagine is being said. If you allow the government to have access to medical mandates and medical passport requirements, that power will not go away when the pandemic does. The next step is ye olde actual slippery slope, where in order to vote* or have a job you have to be vaccinated and chipped so they can track you for your "health and safety". And do you think the "Ebil Rightoids" will use that power responsibly when their in power in 3 years? If not, why are you giving them that power now? Why would you deny a job to someone who's doctor tells them it's not safe to get the vaccine because three other members of their family, with the same auto-immune disorder (but were healthier than they were) were hospitalized, one of whom almost died. Why do you think it's okay to deny them work and to be able to travel, despite they having already gotten COVID and recovered from it? And before you claim "that doesn't happen", listen sweaty, it is happening. I have a friend in Canada whose job has been limited because she could no longer travel due to vaccine passport requirements (which are being dropped apparently) and who was unable to take a few jobs in IT because it isn't safe for her to get the COVID vaccine. She's naturally immunized, but tyrannical bureaucratic overreach decided everyone has to be vaccinated or else (even those that it's dangerous to give the vaccine to). * You're against voter IDs but totes for vaccine passports. Why are you so racist? (the largest percentage of non-vaccinated by ethnicity are black) |
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Post by evileeyore on Mar 4, 2022 20:07:10 GMT
Okay... Devil's advocate here. Is it okay for people to encourage other people not to take the vaccine, while blockading a city? Yes, because that's what freedom of speech means. People need to be free to express their ideas in the public space and debate and be debated. Their ideas need to be free to be able to defeated or shown to be correct in public, not decided from on high by the oligarchs and "elites". Sometimes you can't. Now here's another tidbit you didn't know because CNN didn't report on it: The blockaders were having their vehicles towed and were getting arrested everywhere they blocked actual traffic, but it was taking more time and the blockades had so many behind them that even once those arrests and tows occurred, the bridges and border crossings were still blocked, but other travelers. And of course there were more blockaders waiting in line to take up position next. What you're asking is "How do we stop people from protesting things I like" and the answer is "by being 100% fascist". Welcome to democracy, enjoy your stay. |
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