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Post by evileeyore on Feb 27, 2022 19:59:30 GMT
You're being a wee bit hypocritical there. But hey, you do you. I'm being a hypocrite? you're the one who spent 2 years calling police liars every time the rioters turned violent, to which there was always video evidence showing rioters attacking police*. Here there is zero video evidence of prospectors turn turning violent, zero video evidence of what the CMP are claiming, plenty of video evidence of police state overreach (beating protesters, trampling them under horses, and seizing assets of those not even at the protests), but yet you 'listen and believe' because CCN tells you to. kirinke, you're completely and totally lost. |
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Post by kirinke on Feb 27, 2022 23:05:11 GMT
Uhuh. You're still being hypocritical.
It's all fine and dandy, as long as it isn't anyone you particularly like or root for. If I remember correctly, you and 3cat were wanting to shoot every protester, regardless of whether or not they had been violent.
Me personally, I don't care for violence at all. Peaceful protest is okay. Once it turns violent, it is not okay. That's for anybody left right or up and down.
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Post by evileeyore on Feb 28, 2022 7:26:17 GMT
One of the first things they mention, is a lie: A walker ended up getting thrown at the RCMP after they'd already started trampling people. A little old ladies walker. Wearing armor isn't violence. Name anytime I've been for seizing bank accounts of protesters. The smoke bombs and fireworks is not proper. But from what I've seen, they were used after the cops started clubbing people down and trampling with the horses. Unlike the last two years where the black block, armed with clubs and shields, would spend hours firing fireworks, throwing molotovs, bricks and soup cans at police, and trying to blind officers with lasers, hours of this shit, before the police would act to clear them from the streets. Nope, you are wrong. I'm fine if rioters who've been violent or lit things on fire get spiced up, shot with less-than-lethal, etc, though. And I admit, the ones using lasers to blind police and feds? I'd have been okay if the police responded with lethal force, though they didn't. They also didn't seize bank accoutns of those funding those protests and riots (of course that would have included Democrat Senators and Congressmen, so...). There was also a whole lot of police bullshit that went down over the last two years I'm not in favor of. Clubbing down people for no reason who could have been simply arrested (the old navy guy who trespassed to ask stupid questions and got his wrist and arm broken, for one), clubbing down people who weren't rioting and just didn't get out of the way fast enough several streets away from the riots, standing around watching Antifa beat people down int he streets, etc. Sometimes I have been in favor of judicious force, frex that group of people on a porch ignoring legal orders to go inside? Sure, spice and paint 'em up. No permanent damage done and determined within seconds whether they lived there and were being obstinate, or if they were illegally on someone else's property pretending to be residents. Except for two years you've excused violence against the police and just here you're excusing police brutality and oppression against a "conservative" protest because CNN told you they were in the wrong. Do you even know what the protest was about? Worker's rights. Not some made up bullshit racist nonsense, worker's rights. |
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Post by kirinke on Feb 28, 2022 12:30:25 GMT
No dear, it was about vaccine mandates imposed by the Canadian government to protect them from serious illness and death. Nice spin, still violence ***In a number of states, utilizing body armor during a crime is itself a crime. For example, using body armor with a weapon in any offense (or just a violent felony) is a crime in some states. In a few states, mere possession (which is much broader than wearing the item) during a crime is a criminal act.[/div] It is legal to wear body armour in all provinces and territories in Canada with the exception of AB, BC, MB & NS. In these provinces, except MB & NS, you generally need to posses one of the following ID: Law Enforcement, Security Guard, Firearms License or Body Armour Permit. ***
So yeah. Body Armor worn in conjunction with a protest is either being violent or planning violence IMO. It also helps to do your research before entering a foreign country, no matter how friendly. Their laws are different.
Not the only thing happening here. But Canadian laws are different from US laws, so if you plan to go protesting somewhere, remember to do your research.
These protesters were being pests (at best) with hours upon hours of disturbing the peace. They were told to leave and did not. When they did not leave and were made to leave, they got unruly at best and violent at worst.
When protests turn violent, I loose support for them.
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Post by evileeyore on Feb 28, 2022 17:34:53 GMT
No dear, it was about vaccine mandates imposed by the Canadian government to protect them from serious illness and death. No, the Freedom Convoy was protesting mandated medical procedures, ei: being forced to have a vaccine and the vaccine passports. Again, there are more than two classes of citizen†here dumbass: It's isn't just the holy anointed vaccinated and the basketful of deplorable vaccinated. There are also those who've gotten the initial COVID and recover and are thus naturally immunized. But yet, the mandate requires them to get a risky medical procedure and "carry their papers please". And lastly, it is about Worker's Rights and body autonomy. If Canada were having a population crisis and decided to outlaw abortions temporarily*, you'd be screaming yourself blue about body autonomy and a "women's right to her body". But here you've reversed it, women have no right to not get this unnecessary medical procedure. * Temporary, because if a gov did get the power to "temporarily" suspend abortion 'rights', you know they'd never let that go. Their finger would be on that button any time they needed a new generation to go die in the sand for oil. †What's semi-scary here is it's working. At least on the elitist "Left" and dumbasses like kirinke. They really are seeing Rightoids and anyone not lockstep with their politics of the day to be a lower class of people, not even human enough to have rights they demand for themselves. You really are a hypocritical idiot. I didn't talk about criminal, I said "it's not violence". Wearing body armor is not evidence of violence nor is it intent to commit violence. But is it now okay for US cops to roll on protesters wearing gasmasks? Clearly they intend to ignore legal orders to disperse and are prepared to attack the police if the police decide to use gas and mace to try to disperse, so is it now okay in kirinkeland for the cops to swing in with truncheons? I mean, it will have turned violent at that point, and kirinke has no sympathy once a protest turns violent. No, but it is the Fascist overreach I complained about that had you suddenly going, "But ummm ORANGEMANBAD was worse", when no, no Trump was not worse than Trudeau. Trump was better than Trudeau is, and didn't screw up as much as Biden has been. And that has to really sting. They aren't. You do realize that every time the cops declared a protest had become a riot here in the US they could have done the exact same thing? Gone after prospectors bank accounts and the accounts of anyone helping to fund the protest. Except that here, since the Democrats were backing the BLM riots (and bailing them out when arrested regardless of the crime they were arrested for, which includes rape, murder, etc), our own Congress would have had their accounts frozen and seized, so... yeah, it never would have flown here. If that's all that's required let me cue up hundreds of hours of BLM and Antifa marching through residential neighborhoods at 3am... as well as the lootings, the burnings, the murders, the rapes, everything you handwaved away all summer, but now, because businesses were negatively impacted* by actual peaceful protests, now suddenly it's bad. Just admit it, when it was the Authoritarian Left rioting it was "no, no bad cops", but when it's freedom pushing centrists and Rightoids protesting it's "good cops, crack those skulls!" * Which is the excuse Trudeau used for finally unleashing gestapo tactics, everything else he'd done, seizing gasoline, seizing food shipments, letting actual crimes go unpunished, when businesses in the area were threatening to close and move because of lost income, then he decided it was time to call them domestic terrorists and let the police run roughshod over them. There's the admission. When attacked by the RMCP and local police, they resisted and resisting Leftwing Authoritarianism is bad. Just admit you only care when Lefty* Media tells you to care. * Yes libtard, by which I mean Authoritarian Globalist Corporate media, there is no actual leftism or liberalism involved. |
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Post by cyphersmith on Feb 28, 2022 18:50:03 GMT
That's wrong and I've never condoned violence NB. "Excused". You have excused violence done by rioters as "but the police started it", despite anything else that was going on. For the last two years, it's never been the fault of the rioters for how they've been treated, it's always been the "police brutality" and "police oppression". That was more me, and at least in Portland (which I have directly from people who were there, so no news reports about it), that actually happened. Yeah, that's a bad thing. Asset forfeiture and the rest of the extra powers that the Canadian government gave itself are wrong. And, of course, they're going to be used, and to a greater extent, against leftists and First Nations peoples. |
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Post by libtard on Feb 28, 2022 19:37:27 GMT
Yay!
I mean, not really yay. It all sucks.
FWIW, I think the Canadian government treated the Freedom Convoy abysmally. When you could get any info at all during the early stages - and you had to dig really deep, because no-one amongst the mainstream media was broadcasting any coverage of anything that was actually going on - it seemed to consist mostly of families sitting around cooking burgers, and generally chilling out.
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Post by evileeyore on Feb 28, 2022 22:31:57 GMT
When you could get any info at all during the early stages - and you had to dig really deep, because no-one amongst the mainstream media was broadcasting any coverage of anything that was actually going on - it seemed to consist mostly of families sitting around cooking burgers, and generally chilling out. I never had problems, but then I'm heavily tapped into alternative news sources, the "alt media" as it is, so I tend to have pretty up to date "knowledge" of what's going on - at least reasonably current, within a few days, live and tapped feeds from the ground. Which being 'eyes on the ground' can miss the larger scale picture, so I did not see the asset seizure coming at all, despite some people talking about it almost a week in advance. |
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Post by kirinke on Mar 1, 2022 1:02:51 GMT
No, they're idiot anti-vaxxers who invaded a foreign country, behaved badly (at best) and were surprised when the Canadian government told them "no". They did not do their research on what was permitted and just went to town. I have zero sympathy.
So you think it's now okay for chuckle-fucks to be wearing body armor to a protest? When somebody does that, they ain't planning on just picketing and once it turns violent, I have no sympathy.
Did I mention Trump you idiot? No I did not. Nice deflect there btw, but meh. You flunked.
You are mixing apples and oranges again here dude. Canada laws are different from US laws and the BLM riots are a separate issue and have nothing to do with this. Fuck, like I said, they had it coming for being stupid if nothing else, you don't go into a foreign country planning bullshit without knowing what consequences you could face.
Again, go into a foreign country with bullshit on the mind, you're going to wind up in a cess-pit.
You've delved into full on Qanon fuckery right there. What next, are you going to accuse me of being part of a cult bent on world domination?
Oh wait, we do plan our dastardly deeds in the invisible basement of an Italian restaurant. May he bless you with his noodly appendages.
Right wing conspiracy blog-sites and pod-casts are not real news dude.
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Post by cyphersmith on Mar 1, 2022 16:58:32 GMT
You are mixing apples and oranges again here dude. Canada laws are different from US laws and the BLM riots are a separate issue and have nothing to do with this. Fuck, like I said, they had it coming for being stupid if nothing else, you don't go into a foreign country planning bullshit without knowing what consequences you could face.
There's a problem with this attitude, Kirinke. What they do to one side, they will also do to the other. And with less actual provocation or proof. Further, it's just plain wrong to call protestors and even rioters terrorists. There's a fair bit of difference in actions and motivations there. It really doesn't matter where they were from, though I don't know where you're getting the information that they're from the US. Again, protestors aren't terrorists, and using those laws against them is simply wrong. He's right, you know. Fuckery of this kind is wrong. If you see it as right here, and wrong when they do it against the BLM protestors and other left wing protestors (which they have done in the past, and will continue to do), you're being a hypocrite. Calling these people terrorists, going after the money, and going after the people who give them money is just plain wrong. They've opened this can of worms and are much more likely to use it against the left and First Nations than they are to use it against the right. Look at how long it took them to take any real steps. A leftist protest would have had actions taken much sooner. |
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Post by kirinke on Mar 2, 2022 1:31:22 GMT
They went into a foreign country without doing proper research on what breaking its laws would or could entail. Had they kept their fuckwittery to the US, it wouldn't have escalated like that. And yes, I'm well aware that once power is given to the government of any stripe, it will just as quickly become corrupted.
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Post by cyphersmith on Mar 2, 2022 15:31:01 GMT
They went into a foreign country without doing proper research on what breaking its laws would or could entail. Had they kept their fuckwittery to the US, it wouldn't have escalated like that. And yes, I'm well aware that once power is given to the government of any stripe, it will just as quickly become corrupted. Again, where are you getting the idea that the convoy was full of Americans? |
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Post by libtard on Mar 2, 2022 17:08:26 GMT
They went into a foreign country without doing proper research on what breaking its laws would or could entail. Had they kept their fuckwittery to the US, it wouldn't have escalated like that. And yes, I'm well aware that once power is given to the government of any stripe, it will just as quickly become corrupted. Again, where are you getting the idea that the convoy was full of Americans? They all look pretty Canadian to me. And one Mexican dude, who's joining in for the lulz:  |
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Post by evileeyore on Mar 2, 2022 17:23:01 GMT
No, they're idiot anti-vaxxers who invaded a foreign country... So, Canadians invaded Canada now? You should be realizing at this point that you have no idea (as usual) of what you're talking about and withdraw from the debate. Hint, in case you couldn't figure it out: There were little to no US citizens in the Freedom Convoy, it was Canadians (with some US monetary backing - but then no US citizens bank accounts have been seized as Canada doesn't have that authority, and GoFundMe began returning all donation money to the donors when the Trudeau ordered GoFundMe to freeze that donation drive, which is why donators switched to sending gift cards, which is why the bank account seizure came down, which has triggered a mini-run on banks in Canada). They behaved like Canadians, which is to say, quite politely. Aside from the Honkening, the only thing they disturbed were business and the free flow of traffic. But then you sided with the BLM/Antifa protesters protesting on US highways blocking traffic, and trying to besiege cities, so why would the Freedom Convoy bother you (aside from them being against forced medical procedures and vaccination passports and your 'Left-wing' media has told they are bad)? They weren't surprised. The seizing and freezing of donations and bank accounts was surprising, as the Left as not done that until recently. In fact it's been eye-opening how far the "Left"* is willing to very obviously signal they have no morals or virtues when it comes to protests and worker's rights. * Again libtard, if I capitalize "Left" or "Right", I'm just talking about political parties, not actual political spectrum views. Though the Right in the US and Canada have remained pretty 'conservative". Unfortunately liberalism is now a conservative talking point. Le sigh. I know, CNN said they were double-bad-evil, and Trump praised them, so as far as you're concerned they kicked all the puppies. If you'd paid attention I've never had an issue with protesters wearing body armor and masks. It does signal that they aren't likely to disperse when the order to peacefully disperse comes down, but how many were there at the protests? 3 to 18 thousand. How many were arrested and charged? 272.* * Most of which were arrested at border crossing blockades and one guy who did a hit-and-run on protesters, but is being lumped into the "arrested while protesting" count anyway (because that's just how propagandists like to roll). Very few were arrested in Ottawa, the visible 'center' of the protests. Ahem: "Trump chased peaceful protesters out of a public space with tear gas, had them arrested and then used the military as a photo op while holding a bible upside down." You brought Trump into as a way to claim the Right was already being excessively authoritarian and employing fascist police-state overreach. Again, under Trump, no protester bank accounts or donation services were seized or frozen. Have the police been putting the boot to the face of protesters in the US? Yes, since before the US was even the US, and the first act Washington took as President was to grind the (suddenly formed) US military's heel on the neck of the Sovereign Citizens.* Now, what did Trump have to do with my outrage over the gestapo tactics employed by the "Left" in Canada? Nothing, you were "Umm ORANGEMANBAD"ing. * I argue that the Whiskey Rebellion was the first instance of Sovereign Citizen behavior in the US, even though the movement wouldn't "officially" form for another 200ish years. Man, Sovereign Citizens are a weird, weird group. Not in this regard you slackwit. The US has had asset forfeiture since it was formed (via common law precedent), but the RICO statutes in the 70s and The Patriot Act have shored the states powers in this regard. It's almost impossible to get your asset back once the state seizes them unless it was a complete and clear case of state bungling and overreach. Pray no one ever SWATS you and convinces the police you're involved in fraud or money laundering, your life is over (even if you've literally done nothing wrong and the state is completely wrong, 90% of the time you're done). They have everything to do with how one country, under what you claim was the "worst authoritarian the US has seen forevers!11!!" and another that is "ostensibly Leftist" have treated protests. The BLM protests-turned-full-scale-riots cost our country billions in damages*, thousands of injuries (both civilian and police), and at least one hundred died as direct results of the riots (not due to police action). And yet... Trump never moved to seize BLM funding, bank accounts of those funding the protests, nothing. Just sent out the goon squads to kneel on some necks once 'things turned violent'. Do you want to know why Trudeau employed Asset Forfeiture to finally break the back of the protest? The Freedom Convoy began costing industry and big business upwards of 366,000$ per day. Trudeau's globalist corpo buddies were going to lose a lot of money if it continued. Inversely, BLM was good for global business, bad for local business and citizens, but global corps don't care about the locals. * Over 2 billion in damages, and that was only what was paid in insurance claims, it doesn't count the even vaster sum of unpaid claims, unpaid because the insurance had "not due to riots" as a clause. How many times did your Mom accidentally drop you on your head as a baby? How many times was it deliberate? I was talking to libtard, he understands that the "Left" in the US and Canada aren't actually left anymore, and have nothing to do with liberal values, but instead espouse globalist and corporate values. Liberal alt-media isn't "right wing". I don't read news blogs or listen to podcasts. I watch actual footage of events (and sift through MSM news for where "Left" and "Right" sources have intersecting 'facts'). It still burns in your craw that liberals have turned against your "Lefty" thought leaders and your team has surrendered liberalism to the center and Right hasn't it? I was watching actual footage of the Freedom Convoy protests (in Ottawa anyway, the smaller blockades of border crossing bridges and checkpoints weren't as much filmed) during the entire protest and footage when the RCMP rolled out with their big stompy hooves. Meanwhile you are doing your standard "CNN Junkie" impression. To sum up: You have no idea of the issue you're trying to talk about; there were no US citizens in the Freedom Convoy (it was Canadians), the US's asset forfeiture laws are even more draconic and readily deplorable than Canada's, Trump didn't employ worse gestapo tactics against protesters, and Trudeau has lost the plot*. * It's theorized by some Canadian liberals that Trudeau asked for the bank seizures only because he wasn't getting his way with the donation organizations and the protesters weren't dispersing like he was demanding they do. So, to whit, he 'pitched a baby tantrum and broke their toys'. Is 2022 the Year of Dictators Acting Badly? (I was going to say "Is 2022 the 'Year of the Short Man Syndrome'", but Trudeau is 6'2", maybe he has a small peneer? ZOD dammit, I can't even make a "he's got a small penis" joke, why comedy gods, why?) |
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Post by evileeyore on Mar 2, 2022 17:53:42 GMT
Again, where are you getting the idea that the convoy was full of Americans? They are "bad conservotards" and kirinke has forgotten that despite Canada being further left than the US, Canada still has conservatives*. Trudeau didn't manage to outlaw conservative thought yet. * Who, like in the US, are largely the rural, the small business owner, and the surprisingly large numbers of ethnic minorities. But, as in the US, the big city white elites forget the 'fly country' even exists. |
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