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Post by evileeyore on Aug 4, 2019 18:49:42 GMT
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Post by Devoid on Aug 5, 2019 14:36:38 GMT
The full factual background of Patrick Crusius will likely become known in time. I wouldn't place trust in either of these 'revisions', nor any that are provided by this service. Sadly, this tragic event is being used to further the advance of identity politics. Since the suspect was apprehended instead of slain, we may gain additional insight regarding his perspective. |
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Post by kirinke on Aug 5, 2019 23:45:44 GMT
Nail bunny, quit being a stupid fucking troll. It's not funny. 22 people died at the hands of this evil, crazy freak. Y'gotta stop believing or posting every crazy unproven right wing nonsense you come across. Nobody takes it seriously. In this case it's also in extreme poor taste.
I'm disappointed. Not surprised. But disappointed.
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Post by evileeyore on Aug 6, 2019 0:02:22 GMT
Nail bunny, quit being a stupid fucking troll. It's not funny. 22 people died at the hands of this evil, crazy freak. Y'gotta stop believing or posting every crazy unproven right wing nonsense you come across. Nobody takes it seriously. In this case it's also in extreme poor taste.
I'm disappointed. Not surprised. But disappointed.
The picture above was shared to me by a liberal... and Hotwheels* is pretty damn liberal too. But I mean... when the lefty media says we have a "white male shooter" problem in America, I wonder which America?  See, you stupid twat, one of us only consumes the pap from one source and the other one hunts across all the sources†... so which one of us is indoctrinated again? * The kid who created and now calls for the destruction of 8chan. † You just don't hear me calling out the Right's dumbassness because if they fail, I'm fine with it. But continued failure of the left is a problem I'd like to see fixed. So stop being stupid, pull your head out of your ass, and call for the fixes on your side. |
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Post by kirinke on Aug 6, 2019 0:16:01 GMT
22 people died. At this point, we don't know what the motivation actually was. His actual manifesto was all over the place and obviously spouted from a very addled mind. The only thing I can get from all of this is, he was batshit crazy and 22 people died. So yeah, you're the one who's pointing fingers. We don't know if he was democrat or republican or for the man in the moon at this point. Let the FBI do their jobs. Then we can point and scream on whose fault it is (well other than the fucker who pulled the trigger).
Next question, how do we stop this from happening so much? Every proposal has it's drawbacks, from Federal Background checks to bans on assault style weapons to Red Flag Laws.
Personally, I think a good first step would be better mental health care and the facilities to care for the nutters who shouldn't be on the streets as well as laws preventing the mentally disturbed from getting their hands on weapons. Yes, it won't stop all shootings, but it'd slow them down. Maybe.
Problem is, if you're crazy enough and desperate enough, anything can be a weapon. I'm also aware of that too.
I'm also a fan of the death penalty in these cases and no 20 years on appeals either. If you are caught doing the deed, a quick trial, a short rope and a long drop. Or the firing squad. I'm good with that too.
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Post by Kzach on Aug 6, 2019 0:55:40 GMT
Why does Morrus accept that CM is the next 8chan? A white supremacist hot bed?
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Post by kirinke on Aug 6, 2019 1:02:22 GMT
Simple. It's not. Run along and go play in traffic.
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Post by mistwell on Aug 6, 2019 5:56:44 GMT
For what it is worth (which I feel is nothing), the Dayton shooter was a lefty Warren supporter who was an atheist and a socialist.
None of which has much of anything to do with why he shot people. The partisan thing is silly and vapid.
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Post by shiningbrow on Aug 6, 2019 9:03:24 GMT
For what it is worth (which I feel is nothing), the Dayton shooter was a lefty Warren supporter who was an atheist and a socialist. None of which has much of anything to do with why he shot people. The partisan thing is silly and vapid. Agreed. And the language used on the left side of the OP makes it ideologically suspect. Democrats don't refer to their party as the Democrat party, just as Republicans don't refer to theirs as the Republic party. "Democrat" Party instead of the proper adjectival Democratic party is a linguistic invention of the right. When I see it, my crap meter goes off. So I call BS on the absurd post and its efforts to blame this on some kind of party orientation. On the other hand, the President has done little to dampen the sort of radical right sentiments advocated in the screed posted by the Texas shooter. For that, he should be ashamed, but given he is incapable, I won't hold my breath. |
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Post by kirinke on Aug 6, 2019 12:00:54 GMT
I think both shooters were crazy-evil. I mean, who in their freaking right minds decides to go shoot up a place? I don't understand people like that. I don't want to understand people like that.
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Post by Devoid on Aug 6, 2019 15:55:45 GMT
The picture above was shared to me by a liberal... and Hotwheels* is pretty damn liberal too. * The kid who created and now calls for the destruction of 8chan. Personally, I think the use of the term 'liberal' is a bit too generic in this sense. I consider Hotwheels to be libertarian-leaning (when accounting for speech) and not part of the socially progressive collective often portrayed as the media definition 'liberals'. But I mean... when the lefty media says we have a "white male shooter" problem in America, I wonder which America? We have a 'mass shooting problem' in America. White male suspects may make up the majority of these incidents, but the use of 'white male shooter' implies [near] exclusivity (over-generalization). While the image provided does illustrate that mass shootings have been committed by those of color, it may not accurately reflect the ethnically statistical representation of these incidents (cherry-picking). Both cases seem to miss perhaps the most important point. Such expressions often used to [literally] profit on these tragedies by stirring the emotional pot regarding the concept of 'them'.
In my opinion, it is the fixation of how we categorize the suspects to help distance ourselves from such atrocities that is part of the problem. We need to address what is 'bad' without dependence on labeling something as 'evil' to improve as a society overall. Focusing on a solution instead of exerting excess energy on shame and blame will likely yield greater results.
See, you stupid twat, one of us only consumes the pap from one source and the other one hunts across all the sources†... so which one of us is indoctrinated again? † You just don't hear me calling out the Right's dumbassness because if they fail, I'm fine with it. But continued failure of the left is a problem I'd like to see fixed. So stop being stupid, pull your head out of your ass, and call for the fixes on your side. While discussing whether or not a perspective is more 'correct' or 'accurate' than another is an addictive exercise, conducting personal attacks is not conducive to improving the situation. It promotes exclusivity and further deepens the divide between individuals with differing perspectives. Inclusive environments can provide the respect and trust that is essential for overall open-mindedness of a diverse group. |
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Post by evileeyore on Aug 6, 2019 16:35:00 GMT
Personally, I think the use of the term 'liberal' is a bit too generic in this sense. The 'sense' was that the person who shared the image is a liberal. That person is also not Fredrick Brennan aka Hotwheels. Which I thought was clear in my "And this is from Hotwheels himself". Perhaps I should have been clearer? He ain't' screechingly leftist if that's what you mean. But libertarian doesn't mean "not liberal", considering most libertarians are very socially liberal, which is the only liberal that matters. They do not. Not even close. Beautiful. "That image proves we don't have a 'white male shooter' problem, but I'll call it 'cherry-picking' to disguise the fact that it's actually an accurate representation of the mass shooters of 2019 yo date." Agreed. We need to focus on inner-city crime and mental health. Stopped caring in regards to some people, whom continually show up with ignorance of a situation and ignorance of their fellow posters. |
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Post by ulrik on Aug 6, 2019 18:41:50 GMT
So the manifesto on 8chan is just fake news?
CM the new 8chan isn't a joke. The donkey is trying hard to make it so.
The shooters weren't crazy evil. They were radicalized right wing extremist terrorists, exactly like the al quaida or ISIS.
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Post by evileeyore on Aug 6, 2019 20:47:17 GMT
So the manifesto on 8chan is just fake news? No. That's not what my quote above says at all. The guy who has backdoor access to 8chan verified the manifesto as real. Now... is it 'fake news' or not is something else. The Left has been trying to hard to paint it that way, as the guy was very left, but he was also mentally ill. Except for the one who was actually a liberal. And all those brown skin people in Chicago mass murdering each other... that y'all just never talk about because a mass shooting is only news worthy when it's an extremist. Not when it's 'gang violence'. |
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Post by Devoid on Aug 6, 2019 21:53:26 GMT
Personally, I think the use of the term 'liberal' is a bit too generic in this sense. The 'sense' was that the person who shared the image is a liberal. That person is also not Fredrick Brennan aka Hotwheels. Which I thought was clear in my "And this is from Hotwheels himself". Perhaps I should have been clearer? I was only referring to Hotwheels and not the other individual who presumably provided you that graphic that you posted here. I had guessed they were separate individuals when you used the word 'too'. I didn't comment on the other since I knew literally nothing of the other individual (who supplied the graphic). Perhaps I should have mentioned the other individual in some context to reduce the likelihood of confusion. My mistake.
Just for clarification, the image supplied to you was or was not provided by Fredrick Brennan (aka Hotwheels)? If he didn't, why mention Hotwheels in the first place? Thanks for clearing this up.  I consider Hotwheels to be libertarian-leaning (when accounting for speech) and not part of the socially progressive collective often portrayed as the media definition 'liberals'. He ain't' screechingly leftist if that's what you mean. But libertarian doesn't mean "not liberal", considering most libertarians are very socially liberal, which is the only liberal that matters. I have traditionally viewed the political spectrum as Progressivism <-> Conservativism orthogonal to Libertarianism <-> Authoritarianism. This is why I personally find the term 'liberal' too vague. How do you personally define the political spectrum? White male suspects may make up the majority of these incidents... They do not. Not even close. I have yet to find enough evidence to prove or disprove the assertion (by the left [media]) that the majority of mass shootings are perpetrated by white males. I had used the word 'may' because I don't know. I was not suggesting such a statement was a proven fact. Any findings that support your assertion are welcome. While the image provided does illustrate that mass shootings have been committed by those of color, it may not accurately reflect the ethnically statistical representation of these incidents (cherry-picking). Both cases seem to miss perhaps the most important point. Such expressions often used to [literally] profit on these tragedies by stirring the emotional pot regarding the concept of 'them'. Beautiful. "That image proves we don't have a 'white male shooter' problem, but I'll call it 'cherry-picking' to disguise the fact that it's actually an accurate representation of the mass shooters of 2019 yo date." Snark aside...
Sorry, but I'm not sure what you are trying to convey. You have provided an image containing profiles of 20 males of color representing 21 perpetrators (Syed Farook's wife, Tashfeen Malik, is listed but not pictured) of mass shootings that occurred as early as 1991 (a span of 28 years to date). - Seung-Hui Cho [April 16, 2007]
- Nidal Hasan [November 5, 2009]
- Syed [Rizwan] Farook (and Tashfeen Malik) [December 2, 2015]
- Lee Boyd Malvo (with John Allen Muhammmad) [February 16, 2002 - October 22, 2002]
- John Allen Muhammmad (with Lee Boyd Malvo) [February 16, 2002 - October 22, 2002]
- Colin Ferguson [December 7, 1993]
- Elliot Rodger [May 23, 2014]
- Jiverly Voong [April 3, 2009]
- Christopher Harper-Mercer [October 1, 2015]
- Aaron Alexis [September 16, 2013]
- Jeff Weise [March 21, 2005]
- One L. Goh [April 2, 2012]
- Eduardo Sencion [September 6, 2011]
- Omar Thornton [August 3, 2010]
- Chai Vang [November 21, 2004]
- Christopher Dorner [February 3, 2013 - February 12, 2013]
- Muhammad Abdulazeez [July 16, 2015]
- Byran K. Uyesugi [November 2, 1999]
- John Samir Zawahri [June 7, 2013]
- Gang Lu [November 1, 1991]
Is this graphic intended to represent mass shooters of 2019 y[t]o date? The most recent shooting involving any of these individuals occurred nearly 4 years ago. What else does this graphic demonstrate aside from proving that there are mass shooting perpetrators that do not fit white male shooter stereotype? It does not help clarify whether the percentage of mass shootings are perpetrated by white males.
Focusing on a solution instead of exerting excess energy on shame and blame will likely yield greater results. Agreed. We need to focus on inner-city crime and mental health. I agree. Although I am not certain all mass shootings are inter-city crime1 related, mental health needs greater focus. Radicalization of any kind (regardless of political spectrum) needs more attention as well. Unfortunately, how do we define the threshold for radicalization before it is too late?
1Reducing inter-city crime is very important as well.
...conducting personal attacks is not conducive to improving the situation. Stopped caring in regards to some people, whom continually show up with ignorance of a situation and ignorance of their fellow posters. Honestly, how is your viewpoint of others any more valid than Kzach's viewpoint2 of you? How do we bridge the gaps of understanding when we treat one another with contempt?
2It seems Kzach would say the same thing about you and others with dissimilar viewpoints.
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