ulrik
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Post by ulrik on Aug 6, 2019 22:02:31 GMT
Are you not talking about the El Paso shooters manifesto, where he talks about immigration and echoes Trumps rhetoric?
You know, the one with the great replacement conspiracy theory and that stuff.
Look, bunny, you're deep in your own bubble. Where you'll find tons and tons of articles who are basically all quoting each other about how the MSM is suppressing news and any wrongdoers are actually leftists.
This is bullshit and fake news and I'm sad that you're infecting CM with it. The MSM does not have a "liberal" or "left-wing" bias. If it has a bias, it's towards its owners and power in general.
Individual journalists may be left-leaning, but editors and owners are most certainly not.
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Post by kirinke on Aug 6, 2019 23:49:29 GMT
Honestly, I don't know if he's just trolling or actually believes this shit. At this point, I don't care. It's rising to the level of 3cat and Kzach bullshit and needs to stop. Hell, in this case it surpasses both of them..
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Post by Kzach on Aug 7, 2019 0:11:18 GMT
Honestly, I don't know if he's just trolling or actually believes this shit. At this point, I don't care. It's rising to the level of 3cat and Kzach bullshit and needs to stop. You're just realizing it now?! I've been saying it for years!
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Post by Kzach on Aug 7, 2019 0:34:44 GMT
For what it is worth (which I feel is nothing), the Dayton shooter was a lefty Warren supporter who was an atheist and a socialist. None of which has much of anything to do with why he shot people. The partisan thing is silly and vapid. And, of course, the racism of the El Paso shooter has nothing to do with the shooting. White supremacists want to pretend that politics can't lead to murder or mass murder. Germany exterminating Jews, homosexuals and gypsies wasn't political. It was video games, mental illness, lefties, Democrats... Complicite moron. You deserve your extermination at the hand of Trumpists.
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Post by kirinke on Aug 7, 2019 0:40:13 GMT
I read the manifesto. His reasons were all over the place. Racism and extremism in his case played a part. Insanity was there as well. In the Dayton case, it looks like he was just off his rocker. Even as a kid he was crazy.
I think in all of these shootings, insanity plays a big part. Nobody sane decides to one day just go kill alot of people.
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Post by Ovinomancer on Aug 7, 2019 2:50:16 GMT
Are you not talking about the El Paso shooters manifesto, where he talks about immigration and echoes Trumps rhetoric? You know, the one with the great replacement conspiracy theory and that stuff. Look, bunny, you're deep in your own bubble. Where you'll find tons and tons of articles who are basically all quoting each other about how the MSM is suppressing news and any wrongdoers are actually leftists. This is bullshit and fake news and I'm sad that you're infecting CM with it. The MSM does not have a "liberal" or "left-wing" bias. If it has a bias, it's towards its owners and power in general. Individual journalists may be left-leaning, but editors and owners are most certainly not. He's talking about the other mass shooting last weekend in Dayton, Ohio, where the shooter was a Warren supporter, vocal Antifa supporter, and general all-around fucked up individual on the left side of the spectrum. Have you not heard anything about the Dayton shooter? Odd. Look, the El Paso guy is a very bad guy. He's a disgusting piece of shit, whether or not his manifesto is trolled up or not. I have no doubts he's a racist piece of shit. I strongly hope that he gets a fair trial and then a rapid trip to the gas chamber. But, pretending that this piece of shit is somehow indicative of a larger, systemic problem is premature and unsupported. It's a thin justification for it's own kind of conspiracy theory. Racial violence is down, significantly, in the last 3 years. Shocking fact, right? Also, true. Reporting of racial violence is up massively, though. Another odd fact. There's a strong narrative that looks for confirmation points and downplays points that go against, and that's entirely rational from the left side of the spectrum -- it's been a historically strong play and there's a new base to reach to due to the recent upswing in intersectional thinking. Be careful that you notice it, though, or else you'll be in a bubble like that you're accusing bunny of being in.
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ulrik
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Post by ulrik on Aug 7, 2019 8:49:38 GMT
The El Paso terrorist is the same as the christchurch shooter, and in a horrible tradition that goes all the way back to Columbine, and Oklahoma before that.
But sure, calm yourself down about how "both sides" are doing it, now that you finally, *finally* have a real act of terror to somewhow tie back to your dreaded antifa.
And continue to ignore gun laws.
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Post by Ovinomancer on Aug 7, 2019 12:05:37 GMT
The El Paso terrorist is the same as the christchurch shooter, and in a horrible tradition that goes all the way back to Columbine, and Oklahoma before that. But sure, calm yourself down about how "both sides" are doing it, now that you finally, *finally* have a real act of terror to somewhow tie back to your dreaded antifa. And continue to ignore gun laws. And you just continue on with your confirmation bias? The issue with mass shootings is much more complex than "racists" and "gun control." No currently proposed gun law would have prevented El Paso. It's a placebo. And it's not a "both sides" or "finally Antifa" thing to point out counterpoints to your theory of "racist conservatives." It's pointing out your operational theory is as shallow as you're trying to make the counters. Do better.
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Post by Kzach on Aug 7, 2019 12:08:16 GMT
I read the manifesto. His reasons were all over the place. Racism and extremism in his case played a part. Insanity was there as well. In the Dayton case, it looks like he was just off his rocker. Even as a kid he was crazy.
I think in all of these shootings, insanity plays a big part. Nobody sane decides to one day just go kill alot of people.
Depression is a mental illness, but it doesn't mean the person is "crazy". If nazi cunt bunny wrote a manifesto before shooting up female gamers, it would also be all over the place. Just read his posts and try to get a sense of coherence, logic or ideology. Yet even you (finally) get a sense he is a white supremacist. Most average citizens, like the shooter or nazi cunt bunny, can't write a coherent op-ed, so forget a coherent manifesto. Dumb bitch.
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Post by kirinke on Aug 7, 2019 12:40:50 GMT
Most people who get into these things from what I understand are lost, angry and very vulnerable. They want a place to belong and these movements speak to them. We need to figure out a way to identify who these people are early enough that we can lead them away from it.
People always say, we knew that kid would do X. Why wasn't something done? Identify and treat early. No sweeping under the rug and hope everything turns out okay. It doesn't.
Also, we need to identify where the fuckers go online and monitor them. If shooters are posting up their crazy before they go on a rampage, finding the crazy posts and their authors before they go shooting is probably a good thing.
Regulating guns is also sadly something we should do. It won't keep them from getting guns if they're really desperate, but it would make it harder for them.
Finally
Getting Trump off fucking Twitter and telling him no more fucking rallies. (I had to put that in there)
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Post by shiningbrow on Aug 7, 2019 16:42:54 GMT
I have to disagree with you, kirinke. You are advocating a limit on free speech that appears to offer a slippery slope leading to a surveillance state and I'm not sure we want to go there.
Also, I don't agree with the idea that anyone who commits mass murder is necessarily mentally ill. If you have control of your faculties, know the difference between right and wrong, and decide to invent your own reality/moral code that must be imposed on large numbers of people, you aren't mentally ill, you are a totalitarian ideologue. So the El Paso shooter, Pol Pot, Joseph Stalin, etc. weren't mentally ill. They were just assholes writ large. Scourges of humanity to be sure, but to blame their behavior on some kind of mental defect ignores the fundamental evil of acts that were undertaken while the actors were fully in control of their faculties.
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Post by Enkhidu on Aug 7, 2019 17:57:18 GMT
I have to disagree with you, kirinke. You are advocating a limit on free speech that appears to offer a slippery slope leading to a surveillance state and I'm not sure we want to go there. The UK seems to be getting by with a functional surveillance state - while it's incompatible with the Bill of Rights, I don't see it as inherently wrong if you trust the government to do the right thing. This Dayton shooting has shaken me - it happened close enough to my house that my wife is currently stuck on the other side of the presidential motorcade as she was trying to get home from school with the kids - and I'm now considering options which I have not traditionally supported. The Dayton shooting was definitely done by someone mentally ill - something that with proper vetting/action (and the attending abridgement of constitutional rights) could have been avoided.
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Post by kirinke on Aug 8, 2019 0:19:34 GMT
Mmmm. Something has to be done though and one solution isn't going to stop it or even make a dent in it. It needs to be lots of solutions, because the reasons behind the shootings vary.
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Post by evileeyore on Aug 8, 2019 1:29:43 GMT
Just for clarification, the image supplied to you was or was not provided by Fredrick Brennan (aka Hotwheels)? Correct. hence why after it I said: "And this is from Hotwheels himself, the guy who created 8chan:" Note the "And this is from..." followed by "...:" followed by a link, which I then quoted int he entirety, which was signed by Fredrick Brennan, Hotwheels. As in, 'here is a pic of social media being purity scrubbed' and 'here is a message from the guy with insight to know that the manifesto that the liberal media is calling fake isn't fake, and here's his proof'. in other words, two seperate things linked by common cause. Fred used to be pretty progressive (note, small 'p'). Most Libertarians actually are. He turned Catholic a bit ago, so I have no idea where his politics lay now. My error. I didn't bother to check it (no time these days) and the conversation I snagged it from was discussing Mass Shootings of 2019. Mea Culpa. The MSM does not have a "liberal" or "left-wing" bias. Yeah, it actually does. The problem here is... the sources you'll use to check the bias of the MSM... they are also left leaning. For example Snopes has gone so far to up it's own ass it has started labeling a parody/comedy website as 'fake news' to get it censored from Facebook and reduced in Google rankings. Like seriously, the Left (and the Left Media in particular) has turned to absolute shit the last twenty years and it's terrible. He's talking about the other mass shooting last weekend in Dayton, Ohio, where the shooter was a Warren supporter, vocal Antifa supporter, and general all-around fucked up individual on the left side of the spectrum. /he-gets-it.jpg But sure, calm yourself down about how "both sides" are doing it, now that you finally, *finally* have a real act of terror to somewhow tie back to your dreaded antifa. If I want to complain about the fascist 'Antifa' terrorists, I'll just point to Portland. I have to disagree with you, kirinke. You are advocating a limit on free speech that appears to offer a slippery slope leading to a surveillance state and I'm not sure we want to go there. I do not want to go there. Engerland is bad enough, you just know it'd be implemented a million times worse here. The UK seems to be getting by with a functional surveillance state - while it's incompatible with the Bill of Rights, I don't see it as inherently wrong if you trust the government to do the right thing. "Trust to get it right"? Are we talking about the same government here? Rotherham? Prosecuting a comedian for telling a joke? Popping around to thought police people after they post completely legal and non-harmful speech on social media? That fucking government? You'd trust them? And to bring it home... Our government? Those dipshits in Washington? You'd trust them to police state you only as far as you want it? Oh fuck no. I don't wanna live in China thanks, no thanks.
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Post by Devoid on Aug 8, 2019 4:08:48 GMT
Just for clarification, the image supplied to you was or was not provided by Fredrick Brennan (aka Hotwheels)? Correct. hence why after it I said: "And this is from Hotwheels himself, the guy who created 8chan:" Note the "And this is from..." followed by "...:" followed by a link, which I then quoted int he entirety, which was signed by Fredrick Brennan, Hotwheels. As in, 'here is a pic of social media being purity scrubbed' and 'here is a message from the guy with insight to know that the manifesto that the liberal media is calling fake isn't fake, and here's his proof'. in other words, two seperate things linked by common cause. Thanks for the clarification. I was confused when you said:followed by you later saying:Again, thank you for clearing this up. I have traditionally viewed the political spectrum as Progressivism <-> Conservativism orthogonal to Libertarianism <-> Authoritarianism. Fred used to be pretty progressive (note, small 'p'). Most Libertarians actually are. He turned Catholic a bit ago, so I have no idea where his politics lay now. When it came to unrestricted free speech, we can both agree he was. By the way, how do you visualize the political spectrum? Sorry, but I'm not sure what you are trying to convey. You have provided an image containing profiles of 20 males of color representing 21 perpetrators (Syed Farook's wife, Tashfeen Malik, is listed but not pictured) of mass shootings that occurred as early as 1991 (a span of 28 years to date). My error. I didn't bother to check it (no time these days) and the conversation I snagged it from was discussing Mass Shootings of 2019. Mea Culpa. It has always been easier to copy and paste content without checking it out first. Goodness knows I have been guilty of it from time to time.
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