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Post by Kzach on Oct 27, 2019 15:54:40 GMT
That isn't your call to make. It is up to the House and Senate to determine that. They can impeach a ptez jusy for sneezing the wrong way. What you feel about it is irrelevant. No, you can't impeach him for sneezing. Sneezing the wrong way clearly isn't "treason, bribery or high crimes or misdemeanors." Impeaching a president for sneezing the wrong way or "something he did might or might not be bad, but we just don't like him." is an abuse of authority and unconstitutional. It us an abuse, but they still can do it. Like they can impeach him with what they have presently. They just have to face voters afterwards. Voters, let's be honest, who won't punish them for impeaching Trump. Whether justified or not.
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Post by Maxperson on Oct 27, 2019 16:48:09 GMT
Quid pro quo on behalf of the People, the Nation, or the World are all justifiable. Quid pro quo for the President' political benefit? Using tax dollars to lean on another world leader for a "favor" to Individual One? Fuck no. Agreed. There is no hard evidence one way or the other that has come out, though. That's the problem here. Ahh, the tolerant and inclusive left at its finest.[/quote]
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Post by Maxperson on Oct 27, 2019 16:52:54 GMT
No, you can't impeach him for sneezing. Sneezing the wrong way clearly isn't "treason, bribery or high crimes or misdemeanors." Impeaching a president for sneezing the wrong way or "something he did might or might not be bad, but we just don't like him." is an abuse of authority and unconstitutional. It us an abuse, but they still can do it. Like they can impeach him with what they have presently. They just have to face voters afterwards. Voters, let's be honest, who won't punish them for impeaching Trump. Whether justified or not. It's quite frankly, one of the stupidest things that they can do. Sooner or later the Republicans will control the house again while a Democrat is in office, and impeach him for something just as abusive as retaliation. Trump is coming up for re-election. Rather than riling people up to come and vote for him by abusing their authority, they should be working to get him out of office the right way.
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Post by kirinke on Oct 27, 2019 19:26:25 GMT
They impeached Clinton for lying about a blowjob.
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Post by Kzach on Oct 27, 2019 23:30:38 GMT
It us an abuse, but they still can do it. Like they can impeach him with what they have presently. They just have to face voters afterwards. Voters, let's be honest, who won't punish them for impeaching Trump. Whether justified or not. It's quite frankly, one of the stupidest things that they can do. Sooner or later the Republicans will control the house again while a Democrat is in office, and impeach him for something just as abusive as retaliation. Trump is coming up for re-election. Rather than riling people up to come and vote for him by abusing their authority, they should be working to get him out of office the right way. Impeachment is also a proper way of getting rid of a president. The constitution says so.
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Post by kirinke on Oct 28, 2019 1:17:48 GMT
It is. But you also have to look at the pros and cons of it. Also, getting rid of a bad president doesn't mean the vice president isn't or won't be worse. It's a case of a frying pan and a raging inferno. Each one is gonna burn you, but how bad do you want to get burned?
That's what we are facing really. Just because you get rid of Trump, doesn't mean it's be all roses and sunshine once you do.
Pence, in his own little, fucked up, overly religious way is as bad or worse than Trump.
It's also why Pelosi isn't really in favor of impeachment. She knows it won't do any good really. The real battle, the only battle worth fighting is through the vote. That's the only way for a real change.
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Post by Maxperson on Oct 28, 2019 1:22:42 GMT
They impeached Clinton for lying about a blowjob. And shouldn't have, like I said very vocally as it was happening. He was acquitted by the Senate because it was a bullshit impeachment.
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Post by Maxperson on Oct 28, 2019 1:23:49 GMT
It's quite frankly, one of the stupidest things that they can do. Sooner or later the Republicans will control the house again while a Democrat is in office, and impeach him for something just as abusive as retaliation. Trump is coming up for re-election. Rather than riling people up to come and vote for him by abusing their authority, they should be working to get him out of office the right way. Impeachment is also a proper way of getting rid of a president. The constitution says so. You seriously think it's proper to use it to get rid of a president just because you dislike him?
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Post by kirinke on Oct 28, 2019 1:24:41 GMT
They impeached Clinton for lying about a blowjob. And shouldn't have, like I said very vocally as it was happening. He was acquitted by the Senate because it was a bullshit impeachment. Yeah, which shows that you can impeach for anything. Whether it's smart to do so, is another matter.
I'm not disagreeing with you, or at least we can both agree that impeachment in this case is kinda stupid. It won't a damned bit of good for anyone.
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Post by Maxperson on Oct 28, 2019 1:25:22 GMT
It is. But you also have to look at the pros and cons of it. Also, getting rid of a bad president doesn't mean the vice president isn't or won't be worse. It's a case of a frying pan and a raging inferno. Each one is gonna burn you, but how bad do you want to get burned?
That's what we are facing really. Just because you get rid of Trump, doesn't mean it's be all roses and sunshine once you do.
Pence, in his own little, fucked up, overly religious way is as bad or worse than Trump.
It's also why Pelosi isn't really in favor of impeachment. She knows it won't do any good really. The real battle, the only battle worth fighting is through the vote. That's the only way for a real change.
Pence is only an issue if this drags on and Trump gets re-elected in the mean time and the Senate decides for some reason to get rid of Trump(it won't).
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Post by kirinke on Oct 28, 2019 1:28:15 GMT
Well, it won't as long as the Republicans have control of the Senate. That can change in 2020, but the reverse is also true. They might be able to retake the house contrary-wise.
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Post by Maxperson on Oct 28, 2019 1:30:21 GMT
Well, it won't as long as the Republicans have control of the Senate. That can change in 2020, but the reverse is also true. They might be able to retake the house contrary-wise. That's actually not true. They can lose the Senate and Trump still skates. There's no way that they will lose enough seats to give the Democrats 2/3(or close since probably a few Republicans would turn) of the Senate, which is the only way he can be impeached.
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Post by evileeyore on Oct 28, 2019 3:02:30 GMT
They impeached Clinton for lying about a blowjob. Because he lied under oath. That's the charge you slackwit. There is a significant difference between everyday lying and lying under oath. Also he was impeached for obstructing justice.
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Post by Kzach on Oct 28, 2019 10:39:04 GMT
Impeachment is also a proper way of getting rid of a president. The constitution says so. You seriously think it's proper to use it to get rid of a president just because you dislike him? Trump is corrupt, incompetent and abuses the powers and privileges of his office for his personal gain (look up Ukraine). Those are just facts that warrant his impeachment. And I didn't touch the delicate matter of his mental health. Once gone, we'll be able to focus on all the bad shit his administration has done. Like student loans shenanigans, environmental deregulation, the deficite, foreign relations... Pence won't change those, but he won't spontaneously lower his pants in the living room in front of the guests and shit on the floor while there is a fire in the kitchen. And than make the polical agenda about his turd on the floor and shitting etiquette instead of the fire in the kitchen.
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Post by Maxperson on Oct 28, 2019 12:42:35 GMT
You seriously think it's proper to use it to get rid of a president just because you dislike him? Trump is corrupt, incompetent and abuses the powers and privileges of his office for his personal gain (look up Ukraine). I have. There are no facts that show Ukraine to be corrupt or for personal gain. We have some whistle blowers who make that claim, but provide no facts other than "He asked Ukraine to look into the potential Biden corruption," which in and of itself is not a corrupt or personal thing to do. We have to know the motive, which has not been factually given anywhere. Every last person claiming "corruption" and "personal gain" is simply giving his assumption of what the President did. Until we have the reason from Trump's mouth, a distinct possibility the way he talks on impulse, or we have a verbatim transcript showing his reason for asking Ukraine to investigate the potential Biden corruption, we can only make assumptions. As I said above, I think it's probably correct that he did it for personal gain. Probably, though, is also not an offence that warrants impeachment. Incompetence is not a fact that warrants impeachment. It's not an impeachable offence. Corruption has not been proven, only claimed and assumed time and time again. I can't stand Trump, but I'm at least capable of looking at what he does with an open mind and don't make assumptions of the worst. You do. Your bias makes it impossible for you to see reality clearly. So first, "we" won't be able to focus on anything. You are not American. Second, I've been saying since he was elected that nothing he does really matters. It will be undone by the next President, much the way Trump has undone jsust as much of what Obama did. I was wrong, though. I had overlooked Supreme Court picks, which is a lasting thing that Trump has accomplished.[/quote]
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