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Post by Kzach on Oct 17, 2019 18:35:55 GMT
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Post by Kzach on Oct 17, 2019 18:38:58 GMT
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Post by Libtard on Oct 18, 2019 4:03:34 GMT
Only a very corrupt republic could give rise to a Donald Trump, and I can’t say I blame him for anything which has transpired since his election; he is not really a functional human being. There is no sense of discernment in his words or actions; no measure of individuation or self-reflection has been evidenced; no wisdom of years, revealed. Trump has no control over his life, because he has no control over himself: he is a victim of his own neuroses, taken wherever their urges drag him. He has no agency, in any meaningful sense. He is the White Id of the United States, made manifest. It lurches.
The civilized world looks on, aghast, and wonders: Why do you tolerate such a broken political system? Why don’t you have universal free health care? Why is your education system so shitty? Why do you fetishize guns? Why do you still execute people? Why haven’t you figured out the race thing yet? Why are so many people popping Oxycodone? Why is your criminal justice system so fucked up? Why do you drive big, stupid trucks? Why do you allow religious fundamentalists to dictate your morality?
But like a cancer patient on a respirator, croaking through an electrolarynx, America continues to smoke sixty cigarettes a day. Their toxic effects are accepted; nihilism has replaced denial. Only drink the bottled water.
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Post by Maxperson on Oct 19, 2019 0:29:41 GMT
So. Thefuck. What. Quid Pro Quo as was mentioned is commonly done. These countries aren't our employees, so we don't have to care if they feel forced to do something for the money we GIVE them. The issue is whether or not the Quid Pro Quo in this case was for the purpose of going after a political rival, or whether it was for the purpose of rooting out corruption. The former is a violation that is impeachable. The latter is not bad at all. I want to see the transcript that Trump is hiding(which is fishy) in order to see if it sheds light on which of those situations it is.
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Post by Maxperson on Oct 19, 2019 0:30:54 GMT
Yeah. This is pretty bad. The pressure might get him to move it before the event happens.
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Post by Kzach on Oct 22, 2019 22:58:44 GMT
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Post by kirinke on Oct 23, 2019 2:29:25 GMT
Trump also thinks he's in charge of the Hatch Act.
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Post by Maxperson on Oct 23, 2019 12:37:18 GMT
The smoke you're smelling is a plastic gun that someone set on fire. He testified that Trump tried to withhold funds if the 2016 interference was not investigated. Well, duh! That's not the issue. The issue is WHY he did it, and Taylor doesn't get into that, at least not from what I saw in the article. If Trump was doing it to root out corruption, then Quid Pro Quo isn't a problem at all. The U.S. doesn't have an employer/employee relationship or the like. It's only a problem if Trump's purpose was to get dirt on a rival for the 2020 election, and so far there is no solid evidence of that being the reason. The strongest circumstantial evidence is the White House hiding the verbatim transcript, but even that isn't enough to warrant impeachment.
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Post by Kzach on Oct 23, 2019 16:54:16 GMT
but even that isn't enough to warrant impeachment. That is up to the House and Senate to détermine.
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Post by Maxperson on Oct 23, 2019 22:34:48 GMT
but even that isn't enough to warrant impeachment. That is up to the House and Senate to détermine. Sure. They can(and with Congress usually do) make bad calls just like you.
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Post by Kzach on Oct 23, 2019 23:59:34 GMT
That is up to the House and Senate to détermine. Sure. They can(and with Congress usually do) make bad calls just like you. And they make good calls too.
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Post by Maxperson on Oct 24, 2019 0:54:36 GMT
Sure. They can(and with Congress usually do) make bad calls just like you. And they make good calls too. I've been thinking and Googling for more than an hour and haven't been able to find one yet. I suppose it has happened in the past, though.
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Post by Scarbonac on Oct 24, 2019 3:48:05 GMT
Quid pro quo on behalf of the People, the Nation, or the World are all justifiable. Quid pro quo for the President' political benefit? Using tax dollars to lean on another world leader for a "favor" to Individual One? Fuck no.
Stop posting, Max.
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Post by cyphersmith on Oct 24, 2019 16:40:19 GMT
Quid pro quo on behalf of the People, the Nation, or the World are all justifiable. Quid pro quo for the President' political benefit? Using tax dollars to lean on another world leader for a "favor" to Individual One? Fuck no. Stop posting, Max. We don't know, yet, whether Trump actually believes the conspiracy theories that have been put forward. If he does, he might well have believed that what was in his interest was also in the interests of the Nation. Personally, I find it hard to believe that he could believe something that has been so thoroughly debunked, but it is in the realm of possibility, considering how long he pushed the Obama birth certificate bullshit.
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Post by evileeyore on Oct 24, 2019 22:16:29 GMT
...considering how long he pushed the Obama birth certificate bullshit. So, you never did figure out why he pushed that for so long did you? Hint, Trump is a Blue Dog Democrat and (was/is) best friends with the Clintons...
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