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Post by Libtard on Jan 4, 2020 20:51:35 GMT
Nice deflect. This isn't about Obama, but about how Trump is destabilizing things in the Mideast to benefit him personally. Unfortunately, American Presidents have been unilaterally bombing whomever they feel like for the last 20 years, so it's kind of hard to make an exception for this one.
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Post by kirinke on Jan 4, 2020 22:27:38 GMT
It's still a classic deflect.
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Post by evileeyore on Jan 4, 2020 22:56:15 GMT
This isn't about Obama, but about how Trump is destabilizing things in the Mideast to benefit him personally. Please explain why it's bad when Trump drone strikes terrorists, but not when Obama drone struck terrorists. And in what manner does a destabilized*† middle east personally benefit him? Is it because CNN told you Soleimani was a really great guy and to ignore all the americans he's killed and that killing him somehow put money in Trumpykins pockets? It's okay for you screech out "ORANGE MAN BAD!" We all know it's dominating your thoughts. * Really? One guy's dead‡ and suddenly the middle east is destabilized? Fucking hell you eat MSN's shit for breakfast don't you? † And someone who is reported to have done as much to destabilize the middle east as the brits did at the end of WWII. So... why is killing the guy literally central to keeping the fires fucking lit a "destabilizing" move? Fuck you are a moron.
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Post by kirinke on Jan 4, 2020 23:06:59 GMT
Actually, you assume I watch CNN. I don't. I read my news from a variety of sources. As far as the personal benefit, one, it's a distraction. Two, he benefits by inflaming his base and possibly if war results, the addition power war-time presidents have. Three, he can say fuck you to the democrats by not informing congress of his actions. Five, he can present himself as a 'tough guy who gets things done'. Six, he can portray the democrats as cowards and unpatriotic when they refuse to fund his stupid war or additional actions over there. So yeah. He benefits personally from it.
Also, assassination is generally considered a very bad thing to do as it invites the same from other countries. Two, the place is a powder keg at the best of times. By killing this dude, he has lit a fire in drought condition. He's pissed of Iraq, because he didn't inform them of the strike, he's really pissed off Iran and all their allies. So tell me, how does that benefit us as a nation? It doesn't.
There's always consequences for this sort of thing. Perhaps you haven't thought it through yet.
Fuck you're a moron for not seeing this action as an entirely self-serving, stupid decision on his part. Which, let's face it, about 99% of his decisions are stupid and entirely self-serving. The other one percent his him covering up the fact.
Note: I am aware I am keeping it simple. It's on purpose.
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Post by Scarbonac on Jan 4, 2020 23:39:25 GMT
It's okay for you screech out "ORANGE MAN BAD!" Why do you idiots think that this is clever?
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Post by Scarbonac on Jan 4, 2020 23:47:23 GMT
Unfortunately, American Presidents have been unilaterally bombing whomever they feel like for the last 20 years, so it's kind of hard to make an exception for this one. How many Presidents have done it to get bck at someone for mocking them on Instagram?
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Post by Maxperson on Jan 5, 2020 0:08:16 GMT
Maybe or maybe not, but the move is idiotic. Killing an Iranian general is an irresponsable gamble, whether he deserved it or not. An actual war with Iran might be the thing that garantees his re-election. Muricans get stupidly patriotic when they are at war. Even bad, moronic wars with no end in sight. No. The general killed engaged in acts against the U.S. and others for quite some time now. Responding to those initial acts of aggression by blowing him up isn't beginning a war. At worst it's responding to prior acts of war by Iran. Whether it comes to open war will depend now on Iran and how it reacts. If Iran ups the ante and Trump has to respond again, it could easily reach war, but that will be Iran's fault for sending terrorists against us and then coming at us when we slap their hand for their temerity.
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Post by Maxperson on Jan 5, 2020 0:11:52 GMT
It's still a classic deflect. Yep. A classic deflect that followed a classic hypocritical statement.
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Post by Maxperson on Jan 5, 2020 0:14:26 GMT
It's okay for you screech out "ORANGE MAN BAD!" Why do you idiots think that this is clever? Probably for the same reason that your side constantly screaming that every single thing Trump has ever done is bad is clever. 0
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Post by Ovinomancer on Jan 5, 2020 4:36:24 GMT
So, chain of events, here.
1. Iranian backed militia launches major rocket attack on Iraqi base, killing a US contractor and wounding many US and Iraqi troops. 2. Retaliatory strike on militia leadership results in many of the militia leaders and fighters killed. 3. Same militia along with sympathetic non-members storm and hold part of the US Embassy in Iraq in response. 4. US strikes one of the top wanted terrorists in the world, the leader of Iran's terrorism efforts, while he was illegally in Iraq. This guy has UN security council edicts against him, personally. He's wanted and not allowed to travel outside of Iran by the UN. The US cleans up a major threat. 5. People with TDS bitch that we used drones to kill a major terrorist because it might make Trump look good, and maybe, this time, it might cause a war. They ignore the past ~20 years of this behavior by the US to focus like a laser on this one, and why this one is super-bad, without any clarity of through about the general situation or that this guy was a standing target of opportunity already, wherever he was. Instead, they'd rather do the propaganda work of a terrorist state, and live in fear that a failed state might do something bad when they've already been at bad behavior. I mean, steps 1 and 3 above where by an Iranian backed militia that this very general was in town to coordinate further strikes with. Fuck all, people, get your heads out of your asses and find a fucking principle. If you're going to come out against this on some kind of principle, have the fucking decency to acknowledge that it's a newfound principle and you were okay with this shit before Trump.
I fucking don't like Trump, but jesus fuck, get some perspective.
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Post by evileeyore on Jan 5, 2020 5:01:00 GMT
There's always consequences for this sort of thing. Perhaps you haven't thought it through yet. I've given it far more thought than you are capable of. For instance, knowledge of the background of the situation which you seem to be largely ignorant of, for instance, killing Soleimani will remove the biggest destabilizing actor in the region. I'm pretty sure simple is the maximum ceiling you can reach. But I keep hoping you'll find a ladder one day and reach higher. Why do you idiots think that this is clever? Why do Democrats keep screeching it out? I fucking don't like Trump, but jesus fuck, get some perspective. Exactly!
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Post by Algolei with a capital A on Jan 5, 2020 16:46:55 GMT
Iran may not go to war over this, but people in the region are certainly going to be further inflamed in their hatred for the US. Terrorist recruiting can be expected to increase. Where's that likely to lead? Anymore likely than they've been since forever and a day ago? No where it hasn't been leading since the end of WWII. Sure! It was never guaranteed that the Middle East would turn out the way it has today. There have been times when peaceful intentions have reduced the population's hatred of the US. This...is the opposite of that.
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Post by kirinke on Jan 5, 2020 20:52:59 GMT
And now the dumbass is threatening cultural sites. Gee... Dear leader is so smart.
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Post by Maxperson on Jan 5, 2020 20:59:58 GMT
And now the dumbass is threatening cultural sites. Gee... Dear leader is so smart. He says stupid shit. All the time. A lot of it is to troll you and the left. The only way to tell what Trump is about is to look at his actions.
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Post by kirinke on Jan 5, 2020 21:04:20 GMT
He just did have a guy killed. So yeah, I'd take this shit seriously. Especially considering the fact of all the trouble he's in now. A war and more stupid shit would distract from that.
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