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Post by Maxperson on Jan 5, 2020 21:27:45 GMT
He just did have a guy killed. So yeah, I'd take this shit seriously. Especially considering the fact of all the trouble he's in now. A war and more stupid shit would distract from that. And that's why you get trolled. And the "guy" that got killed was a terrorist who engaged in activities against America.
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Post by kirinke on Jan 5, 2020 21:49:29 GMT
Yes and Trump is stupid enough to consider targeting cultural sites to be legitimate.
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Post by Maxperson on Jan 5, 2020 23:12:37 GMT
Yes and Trump is stupid enough to consider targeting cultural sites to be legitimate. I'll wait while you count how many he has bombed in the last 3 years. Let me know what the final number is and cite reliable sources.
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Post by kirinke on Jan 5, 2020 23:19:27 GMT
He wasn't desperate back then. He is now. That changes things.
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Post by Maxperson on Jan 5, 2020 23:26:00 GMT
He wasn't desperate back then. He is now. That changes things. He isn't desperate now, either. He's pissed off. There's a difference. The "impeachment" can only help him, he has tied Obama for most popular man of the year, and is sailing smoothly to another win on the backs of rabid Democrats who would rather act insane and get him elected, than be act reasonably about what Trump is doing.
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Post by Libtard on Jan 5, 2020 23:40:20 GMT
I guess we'll wait and see whether this was a strategic error or not. There is a danger that this will galvanize the Iranian people and put them firmly behind their government - which is unfortunate, because a couple of weeks ago crowds were demonstrating in the streets for change.
The whole situation is very sad. Just after 9/11, there was real sympathy for the USA in Iran, and the possibility of a genuine rapprochement: intelligence was shared with regard to Al Qaeda, and a dialogue was opening.
Bush Jr. sort of blew it with his "Axis of Evil" speech. Trust was lost.
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Post by evileeyore on Jan 6, 2020 0:05:27 GMT
...because a couple of weeks ago crowds were demonstrating in the streets for change. Demonstrators who were murdered by the guy Trump just killed. Or have you forgotten already?
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Post by Libtard on Jan 6, 2020 0:26:23 GMT
...because a couple of weeks ago crowds were demonstrating in the streets for change. Demonstrators who were murdered by the guy Trump just killed. Or have you forgotten already? The question is whether the Iranian people can be successfully propagandized by their own government to forget. It's why I framed it as a "wait-and-see."
Was I against bombing him? I suppose so, inasmuch as I'm against bombing anybody. But if you have to bomb somebody, he seems like a pretty reasonable choice.
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Post by Kzach on Jan 6, 2020 2:54:02 GMT
So, chain of events, here. 1. Iranian backed militia launches major rocket attack on Iraqi base, killing a US contractor and wounding many US and Iraqi troops. 2. Retaliatory strike on militia leadership results in many of the militia leaders and fighters killed. 3. Same militia along with sympathetic non-members storm and hold part of the US Embassy in Iraq in response. 4. US strikes one of the top wanted terrorists in the world, the leader of Iran's terrorism efforts, while he was illegally in Iraq. This guy has UN security council edicts against him, personally. He's wanted and not allowed to travel outside of Iran by the UN. The US cleans up a major threat. 5. People with TDS bitch that we used drones to kill a major terrorist because it might make Trump look good, and maybe, this time, it might cause a war. They ignore the past ~20 years of this behavior by the US to focus like a laser on this one, and why this one is super-bad, without any clarity of through about the general situation or that this guy was a standing target of opportunity already, wherever he was. Instead, they'd rather do the propaganda work of a terrorist state, and live in fear that a failed state might do something bad when they've already been at bad behavior. I mean, steps 1 and 3 above where by an Iranian backed militia that this very general was in town to coordinate further strikes with. Fuck all, people, get your heads out of your asses and find a fucking principle. If you're going to come out against this on some kind of principle, have the fucking decency to acknowledge that it's a newfound principle and you were okay with this shit before Trump. I fucking don't like Trump, but jesus fuck, get some perspective. Wow. Talk about moving the goal post. Did Trump start a war with Iran yes or no? If you want a "killing is doubleplusgood" thread, start another.
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Post by kirinke on Jan 6, 2020 3:41:18 GMT
To a Trump supporter, anything Dear Leader does is doubleplusgood and a genius move on his part.
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Post by evileeyore on Jan 6, 2020 4:07:17 GMT
To a Trump supporter, anything Dear Leader does is doubleplusgood and a genius move on his part. Opinion: Trump Is Doing The Right Thing, But He’s Doing It As Trump, Which Means It’s Still Bad"It’s important in politics to be consistent. That’s why I’m always consistent in criticizing Trump no matter what he does. I’ll criticize Trump for not doing what I want. And then when he does what I said I wanted, I’ll still criticize him. Some smaller minds might call this hypocrisy, but there is no hypocrisy, because I’m sticking to the core principle that Trump is dumb and bad. Even when Trump does exactly what I want, he’s still doing it as Trump, which makes whatever it is now stupid and wrong. For instance, the other week I railed against Trump for not visiting the troops at Christmas. And when I learned that he secretly went over to visit the troops, I criticized him for how unhelpful his visit was. That’s because he didn’t just visit the troops as president—he visited them as President Trump. Furthermore, he started pulling troops out of the Middle East—something I’ve been demanding forever—but he’s doing it in a Trump way, and now it seems like the most wrong thing ever. It’s like that time he visited a farmer’s market, and one farmer gave him two apples and then another gave him two more apples and Trump said “I now have four apples!” And I made fun of him for adding two plus two and getting four. Yes, mathematically that seemed right before, but out of his mouth it just sounded like something only a racist moron would believe. It’s clear that Trump can’t do anything right because he will stubbornly insist on being Trump while doing it. That’s why he must resign—though I will then criticize him for abandoning the country in our time of need."
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Post by Maxperson on Jan 6, 2020 4:51:59 GMT
So, chain of events, here. 1. Iranian backed militia launches major rocket attack on Iraqi base, killing a US contractor and wounding many US and Iraqi troops. 2. Retaliatory strike on militia leadership results in many of the militia leaders and fighters killed. 3. Same militia along with sympathetic non-members storm and hold part of the US Embassy in Iraq in response. 4. US strikes one of the top wanted terrorists in the world, the leader of Iran's terrorism efforts, while he was illegally in Iraq. This guy has UN security council edicts against him, personally. He's wanted and not allowed to travel outside of Iran by the UN. The US cleans up a major threat. 5. People with TDS bitch that we used drones to kill a major terrorist because it might make Trump look good, and maybe, this time, it might cause a war. They ignore the past ~20 years of this behavior by the US to focus like a laser on this one, and why this one is super-bad, without any clarity of through about the general situation or that this guy was a standing target of opportunity already, wherever he was. Instead, they'd rather do the propaganda work of a terrorist state, and live in fear that a failed state might do something bad when they've already been at bad behavior. I mean, steps 1 and 3 above where by an Iranian backed militia that this very general was in town to coordinate further strikes with. Fuck all, people, get your heads out of your asses and find a fucking principle. If you're going to come out against this on some kind of principle, have the fucking decency to acknowledge that it's a newfound principle and you were okay with this shit before Trump. I fucking don't like Trump, but jesus fuck, get some perspective. Wow. Talk about moving the goal post. Did Trump start a war with Iran yes or no? If you want a "killing is doubleplusgood" thread, start another. The answer is no. If war happens, Iran started it. If it doesn't, there is no war. Either way is no.
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Post by Kzach on Jan 6, 2020 11:35:20 GMT
Wow. Talk about moving the goal post. Did Trump start a war with Iran yes or no? If you want a "killing is doubleplusgood" thread, start another. The answer is no. If war happens, Iran started it. If it doesn't, there is no war. Either way is no. Two take aways. First, your answer is "No, he started it". Second, like any true conservative, responsabilities should only be taken by other people.
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Post by evileeyore on Jan 6, 2020 11:52:00 GMT
The question is whether the Iranian people can be successfully propagandized by their own government to forget. It's why I framed it as a "wait-and-see." "The Iranian people". That's a broad brush. There are Iranians celebrating Soleimani's death. There are Iranians calling for death to America. I strongly doubt either side is going to be persuaded by propaganda. Omelet, eggs. I'm not "pro-bomb people" either, but the reality is, some men just need killin.
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Post by Maxperson on Jan 6, 2020 13:47:08 GMT
The answer is no. If war happens, Iran started it. If it doesn't, there is no war. Either way is no. Two take aways. First, your answer is "No, he started it". Second, like any true conservative, responsabilities should only be taken by other people. You just literally said that if someone punches you in the face and you hit them back, you started the fight. Dumb ass.
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