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Post by Maxperson on Jan 6, 2020 13:50:14 GMT
The question is whether the Iranian people can be successfully propagandized by their own government to forget. It's why I framed it as a "wait-and-see." "The Iranian people". That's a broad brush. There are Iranians celebrating Soleimani's death. There are Iranians calling for death to America. I strongly doubt either side is going to be persuaded by propaganda. Omelet, eggs. I'm not "pro-bomb people" either, but the reality is, some men just need killin. I don't know about that. Propaganda is exactly why we have both the Democrats and the Republicans thinking that the other side are devil people who you can't even talk to, let alone agree with on something.
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Post by Libtard on Jan 6, 2020 14:43:02 GMT
Well, Iran just decided to dump what was left of the nuclear deal which the US sabotaged, and the Iraqi parliament voted to expel US troops. There's been some posturing by the Theocracy and their cronies. Here's a picture of Soleimani's funeral: pbs.twimg.com/media/ENmKSgSUwAAG0zV.jpgIt's like saying "the American People." It connotes a sufficient weight of public opinion.
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Post by evileeyore on Jan 6, 2020 23:28:54 GMT
Well, Iran just decided to dump what was left of the nuclear deal which the US sabotaged... They weren't keeping it anyway, so it's good their being open about it. So we're going to pull out of Iraq finally? How is this a bad thing? They've been non-stop chanting "Death to America" for 50 years. Considering the "American people" are pretty evenly split on most topics, you do realize you just remade my point, right?
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Post by Maxperson on Jan 7, 2020 2:16:05 GMT
Well, Iran just decided to dump what was left of the nuclear deal which the US sabotaged, and the Iraqi parliament voted to expel US troops. There's been some posturing by the Theocracy and their cronies. Here's a picture of Soleimani's funeral: pbs.twimg.com/media/ENmKSgSUwAAG0zV.jpgIt's like saying "the American People." It connotes a sufficient weight of public opinion. Iran was never honoring that piece of shit deal.
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Post by Scarbonac on Jan 7, 2020 6:33:32 GMT
Probably for the same reason that your side constantly screaming that That does not happen. If he's ever done anything "good", it was entirely by accident, and you damn well know it. fixt Why do Democrats keep screeching it out? That's not a thing that happens, not even figuratively. characterizing the people enumerating his crimes, idiocies, horrendous international missteps, and moral failings (both in and out of office) as such, is in the very least disingenuous, if not rank mendacity.
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Post by kirinke on Jan 7, 2020 12:44:11 GMT
Most everything he does is bad. The only good things he does is calculated to win votes.
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Post by Libtard on Jan 7, 2020 14:18:37 GMT
It's not a thing at all. The Iragi resolution is nonbinding at this stage, and the US has signalled its intention to remain, or to hit Iraq with tariffs if they expel American troops - because Trump understands international relations with the mental capacity of a retarded twelve-year old.
Given that 5000 more troops have just been deployed to the Middle East, how does this constitute a diminished US presence?
I'm all for getting the fuck out, btw; the question at this stage is how?
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Post by Maxperson on Jan 7, 2020 14:38:22 GMT
Most everything he does is bad. The only good things he does is calculated to win votes. You've just described Democrats and Republicans in Federal, State and Local governments. Congrats.
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Post by Maxperson on Jan 7, 2020 14:43:17 GMT
If he's ever done anything "good", it was entirely by accident, and you damn well know it. No, that's false. They were done deliberately, and as as Kirinkie said, to please his base(okay, I added that part) and to win votes....................like every politician on both sides of the aisle does.
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Post by ulrik on Jan 7, 2020 15:18:11 GMT
They've been non-stop chanting "Death to America" for 50 years. Actually, they're chanting "death to traffic" each day during rush hour.
"Death to America" is just farsi for "Fuck America".
(And can you blame them even if they really had meant it in the english sense? You guys toppled their democratically elected government and installed a pro-US dictator, then backed Iraq when they went to war with them after they tossed out said dictator. I mean, that's SOP for the US, but still.)
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Post by cyphersmith on Jan 7, 2020 20:42:02 GMT
The "mourning" of Soleimani is likely to a large extent false.
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Post by evileeyore on Jan 7, 2020 23:27:26 GMT
That's not a thing that happens, not even figuratively. Of course it does. It doesn't matter what he does, the left bitches and kvetches about it. Hell, he visited the troops over Thanksgiving and lefty sites complained about it. It's Trump Derangement Syndrome, no better than Obama Derangement Syndrome was.
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Post by kirinke on Jan 8, 2020 1:16:29 GMT
As I said, nothing Trump does is good. If it looks good, it's usually for a selfish reason, like winning votes.
Also, you're becoming a Trump apologist. Well. Scratch that. You are a full blown Trump apologist.
Sad that.
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Post by Scarbonac on Jan 8, 2020 1:55:14 GMT
Nope. It does so matter; sadly, what he does is pander to his base, preen and insist on being complimented on his brilliance, competence, and huge hands. There actually is no "Left" in the USA -- just Center-Right, More Center-Right, and Full-Goose Fascist. But, "The Left", such a it may be, at best, enumerates his voluminous list of proven lies, crimes, self-important bloviating, exaggerated self-pitying whining, and continued moral failings He was using them as props & backdrops for a campaign moment. It's not a "syndrome" if there's a real reason for upset.
@max: I dare you to make less sense.
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Post by Devoid on Jan 8, 2020 2:41:28 GMT
There actually is no "Left" in the USA -- just Center-Right, More Center-Right, and Full-Goose Fascist. But, "The Left", such a it may be, at best, enumerates his voluminous list of proven lies, crimes, self-important bloviating, exaggerated self-pitying whining, and continued moral failings Aren't you an American?
If so, do you identify (by your reasoning that there is no '"Left" in the USA') as "Center-Right" or "More Center-Right"?
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