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Post by kirinke on Oct 16, 2020 22:02:34 GMT
Like I said, it lacks context for us poor English language only folks.  |
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Post by 3catcircus on Oct 18, 2020 15:27:40 GMT
How much more proof so you need? Attachments:
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Post by 3catcircus on Oct 18, 2020 15:28:14 GMT
How much more proof so you need? Attachments:
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Post by 3catcircus on Oct 18, 2020 16:28:35 GMT
How much more proof so you need? Attachments:
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Post by Devoid on Oct 18, 2020 16:56:08 GMT
Limitation #2: People already sick before wearing masks I'm glad they listed it as this is a significant issue. Shedding can occur before a positive test / symptoms when other household members then start to wear a mask. A household probably has a far greater opportunity for spreading infection than any other environment (perhaps except long car trips and possibly fully-booked flights). Even if all members of the household always wear mask (and not just after detection), surfaces a kept surgically clean (not possible), and everyone had the same susceptibility (immune systems are not identical) across all participants in all households participating in a trial, it would still be difficult to have a more accurate figure.
Side note, I have found the 15 minute rule/guideline being discussed for infection also misleading. The longer the exposure interval, the greater the likelihood of transmission. It does not does not define a rate which the likelihood increases as other factors need to be taken into account.
It seems the current 'peak' is based on smaller groups intermingling more frequently as opposed to single events involving large groups. This may become an issue for people traveling from one small holiday party to another over the course of a day.
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Post by 3catcircus on Oct 18, 2020 17:51:10 GMT
Limitation #2: People already sick before wearing masks I'm glad they listed it as this is a significant issue. Shedding can occur before a positive test / symptoms when other household members then start to wear a mask. A household probably has a far greater opportunity for spreading infection than any other environment (perhaps except long car trips and possibly fully-booked flights). Even if all members of the household always wear mask (and not just after detection), surfaces a kept surgically clean (not possible), and everyone had the same susceptibility (immune systems are not identical) across all participants in all households participating in a trial, it would still be difficult to have a more accurate figure.
Side note, I have found the 15 minute rule/guideline being discussed for infection also misleading. The longer the exposure interval, the greater the likelihood of transmission. It does not does not define a rate which the likelihood increases as other factors need to be taken into account.
It seems the current 'peak' is based on smaller groups intermingling more frequently as opposed to single events involving large groups. This may become an issue for people traveling from one small holiday party to another over the course of a day.
Yep - which pretty much coincides with the recent CDC data showing that close proximity within a household is pretty much the only factor that matters. As to peaks, etc. Don't you find it strange that flu cases are non existent but covid isn't? How is it that that makes any sense while people continue falsely believing lockdowns do anything? If people continue getting covid in lockdown that means they should also be getting the flu. Or perhaps it's because this has been around for over a year and inadvertently been attributes to the flu the last two years... |
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Post by kirinke on Oct 18, 2020 18:36:15 GMT
Or because we are social distancing, wearing masks, paying attention to sanitation and keeping the fuck away from each other, the flu can't spread as easy. It's the same reason why we aren't seeing millions more of deaths in the US due to Covid-19 It's not rocket science man.
Both the flu and Covid-19 spreads through the air and through surface to body contact. If you reduce the ability of the diseases to travel through the air and reach a living body, you won't get as many sick or dying people.
Contrarywise, if you wash your hands more (and wash them properly) and clean up surfaces more, you reduce the disease's ability to travel from surface to body.
Masks were never meant to be a 100% panacea for preventing Covid-19 illness. It was meant to help reduce your chances of getting it through the air.
So all of your 'proofs', just reinforce that.
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Post by Devoid on Oct 18, 2020 19:34:28 GMT
Limitation #2: People already sick before wearing masks I'm glad they listed it as this is a significant issue. Shedding can occur before a positive test / symptoms when other household members then start to wear a mask. A household probably has a far greater opportunity for spreading infection than any other environment (perhaps except long car trips and possibly fully-booked flights). Even if all members of the household always wear mask (and not just after detection), surfaces a kept surgically clean (not possible), and everyone had the same susceptibility (immune systems are not identical) across all participants in all households participating in a trial, it would still be difficult to have a more accurate figure.
Side note, I have found the 15 minute rule/guideline being discussed for infection also misleading. The longer the exposure interval, the greater the likelihood of transmission. It does not does not define a rate which the likelihood increases as other factors need to be taken into account. It seems the current 'peak' is based on smaller groups intermingling more frequently as opposed to single events involving large groups. This may become an issue for people traveling from one small holiday party to another over the course of a day.
Yep - which pretty much coincides with the recent CDC data showing that close proximity within a household is pretty much the only factor that matters. As to peaks, etc. Don't you find it strange that flu cases are non existent but covid isn't? How is it that that makes any sense while people continue falsely believing lockdowns do anything? If people continue getting covid in lockdown that means they should also be getting the flu. Or perhaps it's because this has been around for over a year and inadvertently been attributes to the flu the last two years... Close proximity within a household is not the only factor, but a major factor. In the US, flu season is traditionally starts in October and can last as late as May with the apex occurring most frequently in February followed by December, January, and March[1]. The number of flu cases outside flu season is dramatically less (probably due to favorable weather allowing more time outdoors than the colder months). Although I haven't compared August and September 2020 flu cases with previous years, I wouldn't be surprised if they are similarly low. I would also need October 2020 stats as well before commenting whether the number of flu cases are 'non-existent'.
The trick is to reduce the number of infections from other sources to reduce the risk of a household member becoming infected and consequently substantially increasing the risk of the other members of the household. Lockdowns are but a tool to reduce the rate of spread.
If COVID-19 has been around for over a year (and inadvertently been attributed to the flu for the last two years [which would make it around for the last two years]) then it might not have originated from China. Therefore 'China Virus' would be no more accurate than the term 'Spanish Flu'. How embarrassing such a righteous claim would be for the past nine (or so) months if this was to come to light? I would be willing to bet those who freely used such terms would still feel validated even if it was inaccurate. |
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Post by 3catcircus on Oct 18, 2020 21:40:40 GMT
Or because we are social distancing, wearing masks, paying attention to sanitation and keeping the fuck away from each other, the flu can't spread as easy. It's the same reason why we aren't seeing millions more of deaths in the US due to Covid-19 It's not rocket science man. Both the flu and Covid-19 spreads through the air and through surface to body contact. If you reduce the ability of the diseases to travel through the air and reach a living body, you won't get as many sick or dying people.
Contrarywise, if you wash your hands more (and wash them properly) and clean up surfaces more, you reduce the disease's ability to travel from surface to body.
Masks were never meant to be a 100% panacea for preventing Covid-19 illness. It was meant to help reduce your chances of getting it through the air. So all of your 'proofs', just reinforce that.
You've been stating the sky is falling due to covid. Logic dictates that social distancing should reduce both flu and covid sincebthey are both contagious to a similar extent. Either you get both flu and covid or you get neither. |
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Post by kirinke on Oct 18, 2020 22:22:50 GMT
No I haven't. I've been saying because we've been having lockdowns and other preventative measures, the sky isn't falling. If we remove those measures, then the sky still won't fall, but alot more people will be dead.
You can get the flu and Covid-19 at the same time. Contrarywise, you can also catch one and not the other. They are separate diseases after all. Google is your friend. I had to double check myself. Catching both at the same time would suck.
Seriously though. Think and Research. All your arguments and questions are easily debunked and answered through basic research.
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Post by 3catcircus on Oct 18, 2020 23:30:31 GMT
No I haven't. I've been saying because we've been having lockdowns and other preventative measures, the sky isn't falling. If we remove those measures, then the sky still won't fall, but alot more people will be dead.
You can get the flu and Covid-19 at the same time. Contrarywise, you can also catch one and not the other. They are separate diseases after all. Google is your friend. I had to double check myself. Catching both at the same time would suck.
Seriously though. Think and Research. All your arguments and questions are easily debunked and answered through basic research.
You completely missed the point - if the things you are doing to prevent covid are preventing flu transmission, why aren't they preventing covid? Both are transmitted the same way. If they are transmitted the same way but people are supposedly still getting covid, there is a very strong correlation with it actually having been "flu" in past years but actually being covid - especially since we don't test everyone for flu. |
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Post by kirinke on Oct 18, 2020 23:47:58 GMT
The particular strain of Coronavirus that is Covid-19 has only been around since 2019. So, no it hasn't been around for years. That's what the -19 part means.
For god sakes, do some research.
You are still confusing the the flu and Covid-19. They are different diseases.
Now, you may be referring to this or a similar article and getting things confused. It may have been around for years in bat populations and only recently jumped to humans, because well humans are fucking idiots. So I might be partially wrong on the above statement. The jury is still out though.
So again, you are confusing the available information and trying to say that Covid-19 isn't dangerous, or is just the same as the flu or has been around for years. Per Trump.
You're both wrong.
Quit relying on blog sites and twitter accounts for your information and do some real research on the subject. You might educate yourself.
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Post by 3catcircus on Oct 19, 2020 10:51:07 GMT
The particular strain of Coronavirus that is Covid-19 has only been around since 2019. So, no it hasn't been around for years. That's what the -19 part means.
For god sakes, do some research.
You are still confusing the the flu and Covid-19. They are different diseases.
Now, you may be referring to this or a similar article and getting things confused. It may have been around for years in bat populations and only recently jumped to humans, because well humans are fucking idiots. So I might be partially wrong on the above statement. The jury is still out though.
So again, you are confusing the available information and trying to say that Covid-19 isn't dangerous, or is just the same as the flu or has been around for years. Per Trump.
You're both wrong.
Quit relying on blog sites and twitter accounts for your information and do some real research on the subject. You might educate yourself.
Try and apply some critical thinking skills. We've never tested everyone for the flu - a huge number of flu infections occur with no one ever even aware of it. There are so many that CDC and WHO always end up just making a guess each year. We've been told that millions of people have gotten covid-19. If millions have gotten it, and not many have allegedly gotten the flu this year, then lockdowns and masks aren't preventing infections; otherwise people would also be getting flu, colds, RSV, or any other virus that gets spread the same way if they are getting covid. And it doesn't matter that these are all different things - respiratory viruses all spread the same way. No one knows how long covid-19 has been around - not being known =/= not in existence. So all of those people who've had a "really bad flu" the past several years who did not have laboratory confirmation of flu very likely could have actually had covid-19 - especially since we know that covid testing using PCR isn't actually confirming that an infectious case exists because it'll amplify any viral material - whether "live" or destroyed. |
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Post by kirinke on Oct 19, 2020 11:55:05 GMT
What part of "Covid-19 is a fast spreading and deadly disease" that you don't get. It is far more virulent than the flu. That's why. We also don't have any immunity to it, any vaccines for it or treatment plans for it. Don't be daft. For god's sakes, stop listening to twitter.
That is a conspiracy theory. The flu is treatable and responds to known treatments. Covid-19 doesn't. That is the first clue.
Jesus. 3cat. It's not rocket science.
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Post by 3catcircus on Oct 19, 2020 11:59:38 GMT
What part of "Covid-19 is a fast spreading and deadly disease" that you don't get. It is far more virulent than the flu. That's why. We also don't have any immunity to it, any vaccines for it or treatment plans for it. Don't be daft. For god's sakes, stop listening to twitter.
It spreads no differently than the flu spreads - they are both respiratory diseases. And "fast spreading" need to be qualified - measles always spreads like wildfire in comparison. Is ability to kill is directly related to old age or underlying comorbidity - we already know >99% survive --> not deadly. |
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