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Post by Maxperson on Oct 21, 2020 5:02:55 GMT
Dude. Infectiousness is ALL that there is. It's the reason we are seeing numbers of dead that dwarf all other flus combined. Infectiousness isn't a concern at all other than to panicky people. If infectiousness was the ordinary concern, we'd be hiding in basements due to the common cold - vastly more infectious than SARS, SARS2, or flu. Likewise malaria and TB. About 1.5 million people die from TB every year. Malaria kills even more. IFR is the only thing that matters because that is how you figure out who gets hospitalized or dies. We know that the number of infections is vastly higher than reported, which means that the IFR is extremely low. Who cares how many get infected if most of them are asymptomatic or have Mike symptoms? The current estimate of IFR is well below 1% and most of those who die already have one foot in the grave to begin with. Yes, we already know that you're a sociopath. You don't need to prove it to us anymore. It doesn't matter if someone has one foot, one toe or a whole leg in the grave. Covid still killed them before their time. I also love your False Equivalences. As if the common cold is the same as a disease that can kill. Do you have a legitimate argument that doesn't involve fallacies or being a sociopath? |
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Post by 3catcircus on Oct 21, 2020 11:56:16 GMT
Infectiousness isn't a concern at all other than to panicky people. If infectiousness was the ordinary concern, we'd be hiding in basements due to the common cold - vastly more infectious than SARS, SARS2, or flu. Likewise malaria and TB. About 1.5 million people die from TB every year. Malaria kills even more. IFR is the only thing that matters because that is how you figure out who gets hospitalized or dies. We know that the number of infections is vastly higher than reported, which means that the IFR is extremely low. Who cares how many get infected if most of them are asymptomatic or have Mike symptoms? The current estimate of IFR is well below 1% and most of those who die already have one foot in the grave to begin with. Yes, we already know that you're a sociopath. You don't need to prove it to us anymore. It doesn't matter if someone has one foot, one toe or a whole leg in the grave. Covid still killed them before their time. I also love your False Equivalences. As if the common cold is the same as a disease that can kill. Do you have a legitimate argument that doesn't involve fallacies or being a sociopath? The common cold most certainly kills. Ask the 5% of those infected by adenovirus a few years ago who died. A 5% IFR is vastly higher than the current estimate of covid IFR. But then again, your argument is like kirinke's - that people infected with covid die in a hail of bullets or in a car crash somehow died of covid, so your ability to use logic and reason is suspect at best. As to your assertion that I'm a psychopath? No, I just rely upon logic and reason to guide my decision-making instead of knee-jerk emotional responses based upon incorrect information. |
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Post by 3catcircus on Oct 21, 2020 11:59:59 GMT
We do have treatments for those deadly and contagious viruses for the most part.
Vaccines aren't ever going to be 100% effective. That's a reality. Vaccines are used to help control the spread of diseases and treatments/medicines help you recover from the diseases in question. Vaccines in general are tailored for a specific virus. A flu vaccine is not going to make you immune to measles for example.
Cold viruses are generally not fatal, nor do they have generally have serious complications. We also have treatments for colds.
Covid-19 is a deadly, highly contagious and fast spreading disease that has been shown to have serious long lasting complications even after one has recovered from the initial disease. There is no treatment for it as of yet. At least there is no treatment that's widely available for the masses, nor is there a vaccine. Thusly, we have lockdowns and other mitigation efforts in place and in play.
If you did your research, you'd know this. Instead you rely on twitter and blogs. I rely on science and real facts. Not "alternative" facts that you pull out of the Nether of Twitter where the ancient alien theorists dwell and where Kellyanne Conway mourns the victims of the Bowling Green Massacre and Mexico is paying for a glorious wall. The check's in the mail you know...
You're not very good at this kind of game are you?
Akshually, I rely upon peer reviewed as scientific studies. You continue relying upon Yahoo as a reliable source of information as if it were somehow accurate. More importantly, with an IFR well south of 1%, covid is not deadly. That word doesn't mean what you think it means. But you keep on relying on the bozo the clown of news sources. |
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Post by kirinke on Oct 21, 2020 13:29:59 GMT
Studies that are twenty years old and have nothing to do with Covid-19. Right. Keep on going with that. Mind your spelling though.
As for Covid-19 information, I rely on the CDC and other reputable medical agencies. I certainly don't rely on Trump or his followers to interpret the data for me.
Over 200k dead and no end in sight from the disease is pretty deadly to me, but we've already established that you're a sociopath.
In other words. Wear the damned mask and follow health guidelines.
Nice try, you're still not good at this game.
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Post by 3catcircus on Oct 21, 2020 15:03:04 GMT
Studies that are twenty years old and have nothing to do with Covid-19. Right. Keep on going with that. Mind your spelling though.
As for Covid-19 information, I rely on the CDC and other reputable medical agencies. I certainly don't rely on Trump or his followers to interpret the data for me.
Over 200k dead and no end in sight from the disease is pretty deadly to me, but we've already established that you're a sociopath.
In other words. Wear the damned mask and follow health guidelines.
Nice try, you're still not good at this game.
You mean studies like this? www.cdc.gov/library/covid19/100920_covidupdate.htmlOr this? academic.oup.com/jid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/infdis/jiaa619/5916376?searchresult=1"Key findings: Dengue case counts increased approximately 100% among persons aged 5–65 years, after implementation of strictly enforced social distancing (SD) (Figure). 37.2% (95% CI 19.9%-49.8%), of the increase in dengue cases was attributable to implementation of SD." These are hardly 20 years old. More importantly, unless subsequently refuted by later studies, it doesn't matter how old they are. By your logic, we should ignore studies on the germ theory of disease. Attachments:
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Post by kirinke on Oct 21, 2020 15:28:58 GMT
Dengue isn't Covid-19. Also, the article in question supports lockdowns and other mitigation efforts.
The mitigation efforts for Dengue fever would be different from Covid-19 because transmission is different. Not only that, they aren't even in the same family of diseases. Nice try though.
The other study doesn't help you much either.
Randomly clicking on stuff, doesn't really help you bolster your case.
The CDC handles lots of different diseases and health issues, you know.
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Post by 3catcircus on Oct 21, 2020 16:51:44 GMT
Dengue isn't Covid-19. Also, the article in question supports lockdowns and other mitigation efforts.
The mitigation efforts for Dengue fever would be different from Covid-19 because transmission is different. Not only that, they aren't even in the same family of diseases. Nice try though.
The other study doesn't help you much either.
Randomly clicking on stuff, doesn't really help you bolster your case.
The CDC handles lots of different diseases and health issues, you know.
You're too stupid to properly interpret the data. No one cares about dengue - they care that dengue cases increased 100% - a third of them due to lockdowns imposed due to covid-19. All those excess deaths due to lockdowns you seem incapable of understanding the significance of. The other study? I included the table of concern showing more people died from covid not put on HCQ than those on HCQ - specifically because I rightly assumed you either didn't open the link or didn't actually understand what you were looking at. |
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Post by kirinke on Oct 21, 2020 17:25:58 GMT
Basically that means that the study is incomplete and needs more work.
So. Needless to say, I rely on the expert's conclusions. Not yours. Also needless to say, their conclusions are either directly opposite of yours or more measured.
So you're wrong again.
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Post by 3catcircus on Oct 21, 2020 20:24:55 GMT
Basically that means that the study is incomplete and needs more work.
So. Needless to say, I rely on the expert's conclusions. Not yours. Also needless to say, their conclusions are either directly opposite of yours or more measured.
So you're wrong again.
Conclusions: The CDC contradicts themselves --> "experts". As to the dengue study - it doesn't mean what you think it means - they're concluding that before social distancing for covid is done again, they need to figure out how to prevent it from increasing the infection rate for many other diseases, because it had such an impact on dengue. |
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Post by kirinke on Oct 21, 2020 21:30:44 GMT
As new information becomes available, scientists revise recommendations and policies. That's hardly a contradiction. Nice try though.
And the other times in the past few years have been due to Trump trying to push his agenda through his political appointees in the CDC. When they were exposed, the information was corrected.
Again. You defeat yourself.
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Post by Maxperson on Oct 22, 2020 2:06:00 GMT
Yes, we already know that you're a sociopath. You don't need to prove it to us anymore. It doesn't matter if someone has one foot, one toe or a whole leg in the grave. Covid still killed them before their time. I also love your False Equivalences. As if the common cold is the same as a disease that can kill. Do you have a legitimate argument that doesn't involve fallacies or being a sociopath? The common cold most certainly kills. Ask the 5% of those infected by adenovirus a few years ago who died. A 5% IFR is vastly higher than the current estimate of covid IFR. But then again, your argument is like kirinke's - that people infected with covid die in a hail of bullets or in a car crash somehow died of covid, so your ability to use logic and reason is suspect at best. As to your assertion that I'm a psychopath? No, I just rely upon logic and reason to guide my decision-making instead of knee-jerk emotional responses based upon incorrect information. Adenoviruses cause cold like symptoms, not colds. Rhinoviruses cause the common cold. You're a sociopath, not a psychopath. There's a difference. Call it whatever you want, but if you're all for killing of thousands and thousands of people without batting an eyelash, you're a sociopath. |
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Post by evileeyore on Oct 22, 2020 3:11:02 GMT
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Post by mustrumridcully on Oct 22, 2020 6:53:10 GMT
Because A: you can't die from Covid-19 unless you get B: infected with Covid-19. On the other hand, you can't get sick from Covid-19 unless you are infected with Covid-19.
That's logic.
The same can be said of every disease. Are you hiding in your basement due to the common cold? A mutated adenovirus (cold virus) killed 5% of those infected back in 2007 - a vastly higher IFR than coronavirus. You know what CDC recommended? Washing your hands and staying away from sick people. Not mask wearing, not lockdowns, not panicking. And you know why they don't recommend more - because the death toll overall is not higher than it is for the Covid-19 with lockdowns.
With disease A, you have X deaths without any special measures to avoid spreading it. With disease B, you have X deaths with special measures to avoid spreading it.
Which disease seems more dangerous to you?
You know why you have over 220,000 deaths (that's over 55.000 Benghazis or over 74 9/11s worth of deaths) instead of the millions of early worst case estimates is because the worst case would be doing nothing about it, but of course pretty much every country did something. (Heck, even stuff gets done in countries or areas without functioning governments, and if it's just local gangs enforcing lockdowns with violence.) Thise worst-case scenarios wer presented to explain why we do something instead of treating it like a seasonal flu.
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Post by kirinke on Oct 22, 2020 8:58:20 GMT
Um.... You aren't rubbing anything in anyone's faces. There's crazies on both sides. Some are just louder than others.
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Post by 3catcircus on Oct 22, 2020 10:22:46 GMT
Um.... You aren't rubbing anything in anyone's faces. There's crazies on both sides. Some are just louder than others.
Translation: leftists are a bunch of bark at the moon batshit crazies. |
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