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Post by kirinke on Oct 22, 2020 10:28:31 GMT
You're the one that thinks that masks don't work against airborne diseases. You're also the one that thinks burning down American cities is fine and dandy. You also seem to think that it doesn't matter if Covid-19 kills vulnerable people with health issues, because they're gonna die sooner or later anyway. Which sounds crazier? You, who is just echoing what you hear from the right. Or everyone else?
Hint. It's your barking that's echoing back.
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Post by 3catcircus on Oct 22, 2020 13:22:43 GMT
You're the one that thinks that masks don't work against airborne diseases. You're also the one that thinks burning down American cities is fine and dandy. You also seem to think that it doesn't matter if Covid-19 kills vulnerable people with health issues, because they're gonna die sooner or later anyway. Which sounds crazier? You, who is just echoing what you hear from the right. Or everyone else?
Hint. It's your barking that's echoing back.
Try to think before you speak. We *know* from multiple studies over the years that makes do not prevent airborne diseases unless it is an N95 or a full hood forced air respirator. Your t-shirt mask, painter's mask, or surgical mask do not do that - surgical masks have *always* been worn only to prevent large droplets from falling off the surgeon onto the patient. As to cities burning? The dopes who voted in Dem elected officials to those cities who are not enforcing the law and arresting every single rioter have no one to blame but themselves. Chicago? Seattle? Portland? LA,NY,SF? Let 'em burn - hopefully everyone in them who are supporting rioters will melt into the asphalt. Infected people fatal comorbidities? Yes, they're gonna die anyway. And isn't that what leftists want anyway since they fully support Obamacare with its death panels and rationing. Nothing here is crazy - it's all based upon observation and analysis of crazy lefty Dem desires and actions. |
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Post by evileeyore on Oct 22, 2020 13:39:56 GMT
Um.... You aren't rubbing anything in anyone's faces. There's crazies on both sides. Some are just louder than others. Yes, most of the Democrat party fits "crazies on the left", we finally agree... Or did you forget how the Dems were against doing anything other than flocking into asian ethnic neighborhoods in January to spread the COVID as fast as possible show support for minorities, how any travel bans were deemed racist, how masks weren't necessary (still aren't if a Dem thinks they aren't on camera), lockdowns were unnecessary and fascist (and they still ignore lockdowns for themselves even when they created the rules), etc... all of which lasted until they realized (early to mid-march) it wasn't going away immediately, that the "crazies" on the Right were correct, and it would make Trump look bad to flip-flop and pretend they were for it all along and to gaslight the Left into believing Trump was doing nothing (with a little help from their friends in the MSM). |
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Post by kirinke on Oct 22, 2020 13:45:45 GMT
Nice spin. Didn't happen that way.
By the time he enacted the travel bans, the virus was already in the United States. So the bans didn't help at all. At the time, Trump was stoking racist fears against China and that predictably turned to fears against Asians in general, particularly Asian-Americans, here in the United States. He was doing it as a way to mask his own incompetence in handling the virus-response and his lack of preparedness.
So in response, the Democrats also predictably showed support for those affected by the racism. It was rather ham-handed and not well-thought out, but their hearts were in the right place, even if their heads weren't. It was cringe-worthy, how they handled it.
At the time, nobody knew much of anything on how Covid-19 was transmitted. There was also a shortage of masks, so the thought was to provide what masks we had to front-line workers. As information and availability changed, so did the mask mandate. Also a fault of Trump who had three fucking years to restock mask supplies, but didn't.
Trump has also down-played the severity of Covid-19. He ignored the warnings until it was far too late to stop it from entering our shores. By the time he acted. It was already in the wind. He left the implementation of emergency measures largely up to the states and whenever he had to act, he fucked it up. He's still fucking it up.
So yeah. Nice try at the spin there, but the reality? It doesn't match up.
Follow your own advice and yes, we know you're a sociopathic ass. |
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Post by 3catcircus on Oct 22, 2020 15:21:08 GMT
Nice spin. Didn't happen that way.
By the time he enacted the travel bans, the virus was already in the United States. So the bans didn't help at all. At the time, Trump was stoking racist fears against China and that predictably turned to fears against Asians in general, particularly Asian-Americans, here in the United States. He was doing it as a way to mask his own incompetence in handling the virus-response and his lack of preparedness.
So in response, the Democrats also predictably showed support for those affected by the racism. It was rather ham-handed and not well-thought out, but their hearts were in the right place, even if their heads weren't. It was cringe-worthy, how they handled it.
At the time, nobody knew much of anything on how Covid-19 was transmitted. There was also a shortage of masks, so the thought was to provide what masks we had to front-line workers. As information and availability changed, so did the mask mandate. Also a fault of Trump who had three fucking years to restock mask supplies, but didn't.
Trump has also down-played the severity of Covid-19. He ignored the warnings until it was far too late to stop it from entering our shores. By the time he acted. It was already in the wind. He left the implementation of emergency measures largely up to the states and whenever he had to act, he fucked it up. He's still fucking it up.
So yeah. Nice try at the spin there, but the reality? It doesn't match up.
Follow your own advice and yes, we know you're a sociopathic ass. It's not racism to hate the CHICOMs who routinely engage in ethnic cleansing, suppression of their citizens slave population, and constant industrial and military espionage - and supporting every leftist movement on the left in the US. Your assertion that he did so to mask the governors' and local officials response to COVID is utter bullshit - he did it to prevent the CICOMs from infecting the US - without realizing that they'd infested Italy as sweatshop slaves returning from Wuhan after the lunar new year, resulting in NY taking in a bunch of Europeans via JFK or EWR which actually spread COVID. You can do a time lapse heatmap and see how it goes from NY. Andtrust me when I say the federal government makes sure I'm better informed than you are. The reality is you've bought into the leftist diatribe and are completely lost to applying logic and reason. But hey, keep on subscribing to orange man bad as the source of all your irrationality. I can't wait to watch the meltdowns after Trump wins re-election. As to your belief that I'm a sociopath. Nope - I just don't give a fuck about random strangers who hate me because of my political beliefs. Actually I don't give a fuck about anyone outside my circle - family, friends, work colleagues, etc. Protecting my family vs. letting upper middle class leftists who've never held a job riot, burn shit, or attack my family? Fuck them - come onto my property without permission and my first response is to mercilessly beat the dogshit out of them, after which I'd sleep like a baby. |
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Post by cyphersmith on Oct 22, 2020 15:45:56 GMT
Nice spin. Didn't happen that way. By the time he enacted the travel bans, the virus was already in the United States. So the bans didn't help at all. At the time, Trump was stoking racist fears against China and that predictably turned to fears against Asians in general, particularly Asian-Americans, here in the United States. He was doing it as a way to mask his own incompetence in handling the virus-response and his lack of preparedness.
So in response, the Democrats also predictably showed support for those affected by the racism. It was rather ham-handed and not well-thought out, but their hearts were in the right place, even if their heads weren't. It was cringe-worthy, how they handled it.
At the time, nobody knew much of anything on how Covid-19 was transmitted. There was also a shortage of masks, so the thought was to provide what masks we had to front-line workers. As information and availability changed, so did the mask mandate. Also a fault of Trump who had three fucking years to restock mask supplies, but didn't.
Trump has also down-played the severity of Covid-19. He ignored the warnings until it was far too late to stop it from entering our shores. By the time he acted. It was already in the wind. He left the implementation of emergency measures largely up to the states and whenever he had to act, he fucked it up. He's still fucking it up.
So yeah. Nice try at the spin there, but the reality? It doesn't match up.
Follow your own advice and yes, we know you're a sociopathic ass. It's not racism to hate the CHICOMs who routinely engage in ethnic cleansing, suppression of their citizens slave population, and constant industrial and military espionage - and supporting every leftist movement on the left in the US. Your assertion that he did so to mask the governors' and local officials response to COVID is utter bullshit - he did it to prevent the CICOMs from infecting the US - without realizing that they'd infested Italy as sweatshop slaves returning from Wuhan after the lunar new year, resulting in NY taking in a bunch of Europeans via JFK or EWR which actually spread COVID. You can do a time lapse heatmap and see how it goes from NY. Andtrust me when I say the federal government makes sure I'm better informed than you are. Horeshit. His ban was thin and ineffective. You're right that COVID had also spread to Europe and from there to the US, but honestly, it was in the US well before his ban in any case. And it wasn't a ban. He restricted Chinese from travelling, but not Americans. Nor did he require quarantine of Americans coming back from China, or even restricting their movements. And, of course, he didn't stop shipments of goods from China. Which means that the people bringing those shipments in were also bringing in the virus. The idea of a travel ban was out of the question by that point. It was a pointless exercise. It's still a pointless exercise for us. It works for other countries, though, because they actually put effective measures in place, such as in New Zealand. That last is pretty much the definition of sociopath. I find your attitude deplorable, personally. Did you have this attitude while you were in the military? |
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Post by kirinke on Oct 22, 2020 18:14:59 GMT
No, the reality is, I'm not blind to Trump's bullshit and the stench wafting up from it. You've had your head up his ass so long, you like it. I've applied logic and reason to the situation and I've found that Trump is not merely 'bad'. He's a horrible example of humanity and quite possibly the worst excuse of a president we've ever had. He makes Nixon look as clean as a cherubic Angel and Hoover practically competent in comparison.
I don't hate you. I just think you're an idiot and a sociopath. Hatred implies a degree of fear and animosity towards you. I'm not afraid of you and I harbor no real ill will against you personally. At worst, I pity you.
You actually believe that the rather sad, ineffectual stage magician that is Trump can actually pull a rabbit out of his hat and thinks his act is fresh and exciting, instead of the reality. It's not.
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Post by Maxperson on Oct 23, 2020 2:09:36 GMT
You're the one that thinks that masks don't work against airborne diseases. You're also the one that thinks burning down American cities is fine and dandy. You also seem to think that it doesn't matter if Covid-19 kills vulnerable people with health issues, because they're gonna die sooner or later anyway. Which sounds crazier? You, who is just echoing what you hear from the right. Or everyone else?
Hint. It's your barking that's echoing back.
Try to think before you speak. We *know* from multiple studies over the years that makes do not prevent airborne diseases unless it is an N95 or a full hood forced air respirator. Your t-shirt mask, painter's mask, or surgical mask do not do that - surgical masks have *always* been worn only to prevent large droplets from falling off the surgeon onto the patient. As to cities burning? The dopes who voted in Dem elected officials to those cities who are not enforcing the law and arresting every single rioter have no one to blame but themselves. Chicago? Seattle? Portland? LA,NY,SF? Let 'em burn - hopefully everyone in them who are supporting rioters will melt into the asphalt. Infected people fatal comorbidities? Yes, they're gonna die anyway. And isn't that what leftists want anyway since they fully support Obamacare with its death panels and rationing. Nothing here is crazy - it's all based upon observation and analysis of crazy lefty Dem desires and actions. We know from studies that catching diseases with a mask on isn't prevented or reduced. We also know from studies that GIVING the disease IS reduced if you are wearing a mask, which is why when everyone wears masks the number who catch it goes down. |
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Post by 3catcircus on Oct 23, 2020 2:30:32 GMT
Try to think before you speak. We *know* from multiple studies over the years that makes do not prevent airborne diseases unless it is an N95 or a full hood forced air respirator. Your t-shirt mask, painter's mask, or surgical mask do not do that - surgical masks have *always* been worn only to prevent large droplets from falling off the surgeon onto the patient. As to cities burning? The dopes who voted in Dem elected officials to those cities who are not enforcing the law and arresting every single rioter have no one to blame but themselves. Chicago? Seattle? Portland? LA,NY,SF? Let 'em burn - hopefully everyone in them who are supporting rioters will melt into the asphalt. Infected people fatal comorbidities? Yes, they're gonna die anyway. And isn't that what leftists want anyway since they fully support Obamacare with its death panels and rationing. Nothing here is crazy - it's all based upon observation and analysis of crazy lefty Dem desires and actions. We know from studies that catching diseases with a mask on isn't prevented or reduced. We also know from studies that GIVING the disease IS reduced if you are wearing a mask, which is why when everyone wears masks the number who catch it goes down. It absolutely isn't true. "Experts" have stated that covid is airborne. Anything less than an N95 doesn't block anything other than large droplets from getting out of a mask, as shown by multiple studies. If it *isn't* airborne, then masks are irrelevant and washing your filthy hands is the key preventative. You know what else is airborne and kills? Measles. Yet we don't force people to wear masks for that. |
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Post by Eldorian on Oct 23, 2020 3:24:10 GMT
I thought I'd seen that wearing a mask does reduce risk in being exposed (especially if you social distance), but greatly reduces risk of you exposing others. Of course, completely ignore anything 3cat says on the matter. He's still trying to sell us on hydroxychloroquine. The gish gallop is so fast even Trump's cultists can't keep up. |
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Post by Devoid on Oct 23, 2020 3:33:20 GMT
You know what else is airborne and kills? Measles. Yet we don't force people to wear masks for that. Measles is also more contagious than COVID-19 or the flu. That aside, the MMR (measles, mumps, rubella) vaccine has been in use for decades. 91.5% of children aged 19-35 months have received at least one dose of MMR. [1] Two doses of MMR vaccine are about 97% effective at preventing measles; one dose is about 93% effective. [2]The number of measles cases from 2010 to 2019 (as of May 7, 2020) was lowest in 2012 (55 cases) and highest in 2019 (1,282 cases). [3]Here are some facts regarding the unusually high number of cases in 2019 [3]: - From January 1 to December 31, 2019, 1,282* individual cases of measles were confirmed in 31 states. Of these cases, 128 were hospitalized and 61 reported having complications, including pneumonia and encephalitis.
- This is the greatest number of cases reported in the U.S. since 1992. More than 73% of the cases were linked to recent outbreaks in New York. The majority of cases were among people who were not vaccinated against measles. Measles is more likely to spread and cause outbreaks in U.S. communities where groups of people are unvaccinated.
- All measles cases were caused by measles wild-type D8 or B3.
The number of cases would have likely been reduced if those affected communities had a higher vaccination rate. As of August 19, 2020, there have been 12 confirmed cases. [3] When comparing the most conservative number of COVID cases in 2020 with the number of measles cases over the entire decade (3,255 cases), it is different by orders of magnitude. The number U.S. deaths solely attributed to COVID-19 may be greater than the number of U.S. cases (not deaths) of measles. Should there be a COVID vaccine with comparable immunization coverage and efficacy, it is likely that the populace will no longer wear masks (like the populace doesn't with measles). 1 www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/immunize.htm2 www.cdc.gov/measles/vaccination.html3 www.cdc.gov/measles/cases-outbreaks.html |
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Post by Maxperson on Oct 23, 2020 3:55:13 GMT
We know from studies that catching diseases with a mask on isn't prevented or reduced. We also know from studies that GIVING the disease IS reduced if you are wearing a mask, which is why when everyone wears masks the number who catch it goes down. It absolutely isn't true. "Experts" have stated that covid is airborne. Anything less than an N95 doesn't block anything other than large droplets from getting out of a mask, as shown by multiple studies. If it *isn't* airborne, then masks are irrelevant and washing your filthy hands is the key preventative. You know what else is airborne and kills? Measles. Yet we don't force people to wear masks for that. Airborne particles are different sizes and masks help with Covid. Know what else is a False Equivalence? Comparing a disease that we are vaccinated against and where we have herd immunity, to Covid. LOL |
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Post by kirinke on Oct 23, 2020 13:48:34 GMT
He has rights you know. His rights are sacred. Other people's basic rights to live don't matter so much. That's why he doesn't want to wear the mask. His rights are more important.
All of this nonsense is basically the equivalent of a small child who has his hand in the cookie jar and is blaming the dog for it. Each 'reason' is more ridiculous than the last.
3cat, wear the damned mask. It isn't going to kill you and it may save a life. Think of your family if nothing else. Do you want them to catch this, get seriously sick, suffer complications if they live and maybe even die because you were stupid and did not take basic precautions against Covid-19? You claim to care for your family, then put words to actions.
Put on your big boi shorts and wear the damned mask.
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Post by mustrumridcully on Oct 23, 2020 20:17:38 GMT
We know from studies that catching diseases with a mask on isn't prevented or reduced. We also know from studies that GIVING the disease IS reduced if you are wearing a mask, which is why when everyone wears masks the number who catch it goes down. It absolutely isn't true. "Experts" have stated that covid is airborne. Anything less than an N95 doesn't block anything other than large droplets from getting out of a mask, as shown by multiple studies. If it *isn't* airborne, then masks are irrelevant and washing your filthy hands is the key preventative. What masks do is alter the air flow, however, and this does affect how well aerosols spread. The aerosol itself might penetrate the mask, but the velocity will be lower and/or it is diverted. Measles... The one we actually have vaccination for and only need to worry about again because people forgot how terrible measles actually was and think vaccines are worse because a doctor faked a report making u pdangers of vaccines? |
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Post by kirinke on Oct 25, 2020 16:22:33 GMT
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