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Post by evileeyore on Dec 25, 2020 4:54:28 GMT
So the ones who most need them. Yes, well, they are probably the most stubborn about being not believing in the pandemic. The few young folks I see without masks mostly appear casual and irresponsible about it, the old folks give you a glare as though other people wearing a mask is a personal insult. |
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Post by kirinke on Dec 25, 2020 14:17:42 GMT
I equate the Not-Maskers to the stupidity of the Anti-Vaxxers and Flat-Earthers. I wear a mask because A: I don't want to die from this shit and B: I don't want other people to die from this shit if I get it and don't know it yet.
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Post by 3catcircus on Dec 25, 2020 18:11:16 GMT
So the ones who most need them. Yes, well, they are probably the most stubborn about being not believing in the pandemic. The few young folks I see without masks mostly appear casual and irresponsible about it, the old folks give you a glare as though other people wearing a mask is a personal insult. Considering that most of the old folks have lived through the Hong Kong Flu pandemic, possibly the Great Depression, multiple wars, other shit that'll kill you, and, in many cases, fled actual socialist/communist government oppression, they likely have a much more rational understanding of actual risk assessment than those who are making government and health care decisions. I think I'd trust a guy who escaped East Germany or who dodged errant friendly fire in Vietnam or the Gulf War to assess his own risk than a 20-something intern at the CDC whose predictive model, coupled with a lack of actual life experience, led to the decision to recommend states vaccinate healthy young minorities before the elderly. |
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Post by Maxperson on Dec 25, 2020 18:24:27 GMT
Yes, well, they are probably the most stubborn about being not believing in the pandemic. The few young folks I see without masks mostly appear casual and irresponsible about it, the old folks give you a glare as though other people wearing a mask is a personal insult. Considering that most of the old folks have lived through the Hong Kong Flu pandemic, possibly the Great Depression, multiple wars, other shit that'll kill you, and, in many cases, fled actual socialist/communist government oppression, they likely have a much more rational understanding of actual risk assessment than those who are making government and health care decisions. I think I'd trust a guy who escaped East Germany or who dodged errant friendly fire in Vietnam or the Gulf War to assess his own risk than a 20-something intern at the CDC whose predictive model, coupled with a lack of actual life experience, led to the decision to recommend states vaccinate healthy young minorities before the elderly. I guess that explains why they are dying in droves and make up 80something percent of all deaths. Can't top that kind of stupid. Well, you can I guess. |
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Post by 3catcircus on Dec 25, 2020 18:37:17 GMT
On only a remotely related note, Florida finally does something right! /quirks eyebrow "Finally"? Florida has been doing it right the whole time as far as COVID is concerned. And we're ignoring the CDC because Florida isn't Lefty racist. Compare places like Florida to shitholes like NY or CA and you'll see that they've done far better - all without lockdowns or mask mandates. We have had 'lockdowns' and mask mandates. Except our 'lockdowns' are "Please Shelter in Place" and "Business Are At Reduced Capacity" and the mask mandate is more like a sternly worded request. But then most people in Florida who aren't tourists (tourists are all assholes) wear masks. The one time I go out a week, I see 99% of the people wearing masks. It's mostly old farts and tourists who ignore the mask request. Do stores have signs requiring masks because of FL health code xyz? Private business requiring masks - their business, their rules. But in many states, dictatorial governors have issued unlawful executive orders. Whether it's masks, not allowing dining in, or shutting down churches, government edicts instead of recommendations and actual science is a problem. Stating that weed and alcohol stores and bigbox stores are essential but a local restaurant, gym, or barber shop aren't isn't based on science. But I guess if we're to carry an ACAB sign in a crowd and burn down a storefront, that's the least level of risk... Why have they restricted or banned gatherings at homes, bars, and churches even when practices could be put in place to open them back up (it is a rhetorical I already expect you know the answer to). The NYT just had an article on how Fauci had been making recommendations based upon gut feel. So you expect people to trust him more when he admits that? *That's* the guy setting policy? Fact of the matter is that Trump, despite outward conflicts with him, has proceeded with following all of Fauci's recommendations since the start. Has proceeded with all of Birx's recommendations. In every case, we see those in charge taking a "do as I say, not as I do" attitude. Whether it is Newsom dining at the French Laundry, Cuomo trying to get his 90 year old mother for Thanksgiving, the mayor of a town in Texas urging people to stay at home while going to Mexico for vacation, or Birx gathering with her extended family while urging people to not have Thanksgiving. People (at least smart people) are better able to assess their risk locally than a medical bureaucrat. When I have a hall monitor patrolling the sidelines during my daughter's LAX game stopping to tell me to wear a mask (while sitting outside on a bright sunny summer day), and to move farther away from her BFF teammate's parents that we are sitting with (even though they go to school together, sleep over each other's houses, and we had dinner with them the night before), I think I know better my level of risk than that person. Likewise her friend's parents. |
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Post by 3catcircus on Dec 25, 2020 18:54:37 GMT
Considering that most of the old folks have lived through the Hong Kong Flu pandemic, possibly the Great Depression, multiple wars, other shit that'll kill you, and, in many cases, fled actual socialist/communist government oppression, they likely have a much more rational understanding of actual risk assessment than those who are making government and health care decisions. I think I'd trust a guy who escaped East Germany or who dodged errant friendly fire in Vietnam or the Gulf War to assess his own risk than a 20-something intern at the CDC whose predictive model, coupled with a lack of actual life experience, led to the decision to recommend states vaccinate healthy young minorities before the elderly. I guess that explains why they are dying in droves and make up 80something percent of all deaths. Can't top that kind of stupid. Well, you can I guess. Except they're not. They were hit hard in the spring. Primarily due to Dem governors forcing nursing homes to take covid positive patients and preventing families from taking elderly relatives out. The shim running PAs health department got his own mother out before unleashing sick people into them, killing everyone else's. They were hit hard in northern Italy back then because of all the Chinese slaves from Wuhan coming back after Lunar New Year bring it with them, coupled with an extremely large amount of very elderly people. Now, most of the people getting sick are in their 40s. Now, hospitals understand that going on a ventilator is not as protocol of choice. Now, the strains circulating, although more contagious, are proving to be less fatal. You know - how all viruses whose only function is to find a host(s) to replicate them enough to spread without killing them, thus ensuring they continue to replicate - are supposed to mutate to. When all is said and done, we will find that covid-19 had infected 10-100x as many as they've counted and we'll see that it is nowhere near as fatal as is being claimed. Because no one has actually counted how many people have been infected and no one knows the actual false po/false neg counts. The CDC quietly changed reporting criteria so that covid is reported as PIC (Pneumonia, Influenze-like Illnesses, and COVID-19.) Just like how they've done surveillance on Flu in the past - no one knows how many people actually get the flu because an elderly patient comes in with flu symptoms, tests positive, and later dies of pneumonia - that positive doesn't always get reported. It's all lumped in as pneumonia and ILI. Now it's all lumped in as PIC. There is no true accounting of actual positives for covid, not if how many of them result in hospitalizations and deaths. How could fly cases go down when covid is being reported? If people are passing along covid-19, people are also passing flu, gastroenteritis (stomach flu), and chicken pox. |
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Post by evileeyore on Dec 25, 2020 20:23:27 GMT
Do stores have signs requiring masks because of FL health code xyz? Yes, but... that mandate was really (effectively) just a strongly worded recommendation. The Governor put no teeth into it and spoke with the county sheriffs leaving enforcement to them, and all the county sheriffs basically said, "We won't arrest over the mask ordinance, but if a private or public business demands you leave over not wearing a mask, we will enforce their rights kick you out." So the businesses pointing to it are doing so to "back up" their decisions (either locally or corporate level) to enforce their own mask mandates. Yup. I don't know of any businesses that aren't 'enforcing' the mask mandate, but I know that movie theaters have tossed out the "social distancing" requirement and a number of restaurants have really relaxed their sphincters lately* and the one time I went to a movie† a few months ago, most of the patrons were social distancing outside of their group (IE groups were together, but with lots of space between them and other groups, but then the theatre was over half empty). I know that we only had business shutdown in the beginning, back in March, but everything has been open since June with no further shutdowns. Beaches and parks have been shutdown and private businesses like Disney have closed temporarily a few times, but there have been no "shutdown" orders from the Governor since that first one, and I strongly suspect the Governor regrets that first shutdown order. Many businesses closed their doors for good with that order. * Frex when my buddy and I went to a restaurant last week we forgot our masks, we saw the mask on the host and said, "Oops, hang on, we'll get our masks", the host said "Don't worry about it", so we didn't. † I don't do movies very often in the theater, but this year has been especially so. There were only 3 movies I wanted to see, but only one I felt arsed enough to go to the theater for. Though, if the theaters stay this empty, I might step up my theater going next year. Aye. Watching the tyranny of the Democrats would have been amusing if I hadn't been worried about them getting into the White House and taking total control of the Congress. But watching lifelong Democrats being redpilled on their own politician's (and party's) behavior has been enjoyable. It gives me hope (fleeting, but small). His credibility is gone. Rules for thee... |
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Post by kirinke on Dec 26, 2020 1:30:33 GMT
3cat, wear the damned mask. It won't kill you and might save your life and those around you.
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Post by Maxperson on Dec 26, 2020 2:03:01 GMT
I guess that explains why they are dying in droves and make up 80something percent of all deaths. Can't top that kind of stupid. Well, you can I guess. Except they're not. They were hit hard in the spring. Primarily due to Dem governors forcing nursing homes to take covid positive patients and preventing families from taking elderly relatives out. The shim running PAs health department got his own mother out before unleashing sick people into them, killing everyone else's. They were hit hard in northern Italy back then because of all the Chinese slaves from Wuhan coming back after Lunar New Year bring it with them, coupled with an extremely large amount of very elderly people. Now, most of the people getting sick are in their 40s. Now, hospitals understand that going on a ventilator is not as protocol of choice. Now, the strains circulating, although more contagious, are proving to be less fatal. You know - how all viruses whose only function is to find a host(s) to replicate them enough to spread without killing them, thus ensuring they continue to replicate - are supposed to mutate to. When all is said and done, we will find that covid-19 had infected 10-100x as many as they've counted and we'll see that it is nowhere near as fatal as is being claimed. Because no one has actually counted how many people have been infected and no one knows the actual false po/false neg counts. The CDC quietly changed reporting criteria so that covid is reported as PIC (Pneumonia, Influenze-like Illnesses, and COVID-19.) Just like how they've done surveillance on Flu in the past - no one knows how many people actually get the flu because an elderly patient comes in with flu symptoms, tests positive, and later dies of pneumonia - that positive doesn't always get reported. It's all lumped in as pneumonia and ILI. Now it's all lumped in as PIC. There is no true accounting of actual positives for covid, not if how many of them result in hospitalizations and deaths. How could fly cases go down when covid is being reported? If people are passing along covid-19, people are also passing flu, gastroenteritis (stomach flu), and chicken pox. We've had more than 50k deaths from it in December alone. Count in November and October and we're equally or surpassing the worst of it from early in the year. |
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Post by Angeline on Jan 3, 2021 20:08:13 GMT
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Post by 3catcircus on Jan 11, 2021 18:10:01 GMT
Who couldn't see this coming... Now that Trump is in his way out, Cuomo decides to do lockdowns... Expect to see this from everyone else in an avalanche of upcoming decisions by Dem governors...  |
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Post by evileeyore on Jan 12, 2021 6:36:30 GMT
Who couldn't see this coming... Now that Trump is in his way out, Cuomo decides to do lockdowns... Expect to see this from everyone else in an avalanche of upcoming decisions by Dem governors... View AttachmentYup, if I didn't expect it I'd be getting whiplash from the Dem's pivot on this. Fuckin Cuomo needs to be drug into the street and beaten to death for all the old people he killed this summer. |
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Post by evileeyore on Jan 12, 2021 16:24:19 GMT
 Quoted for the browser crippled: Andrew Cuomo @nygovcuomo, 2020/03/23 "If it's public health versus the economy, the only choice is public health. You cannot put a value on human life. You do the right thing. That's what Pop taught us @chriscuomo"  Andrew Cuomo @nygovcuomo, 2021/01/11 "We simply cannot stay closed untilt he vaccine hits critical mass. The cost is too high. We will have nothing left to open. We must reopen the economy, but we must do it smartly and safely. #SOTS2021" I will admit though, Andrew's "punch my brother in the balls publicly" game is on point. "@nygovcuomo" indeed... it's also telling how very much being governor means to him. A most prideful point. |
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Post by 3catcircus on Jan 20, 2021 19:00:31 GMT
Right on cue. What magically coincidental timing...  |
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Post by kirinke on Jan 20, 2021 19:52:56 GMT
Wear the mask and get the vaccine as it becomes available for your category dumb-ass. Magical thinking and conspiracy theories will not protect you. Common-sense prevention will.
Fuck all 3cat, you are a marroon of a moron.
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