I got a fever and the only prescription is more cowbell...

So you think it's more likely that a bat virus found in bats 1000 miles away somehow teleported into a different bat species in a wet market that then infected people, rather than a careless lab tech working with viruses infected themselves and then spread it to others...

Especially when we have data showing that people in agricultural professions most likely to get infected by animals carrying viruses that affect both species actually have fewer cases of infection *because* they are constantly around the animals and have antibodies.

What will it take?

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9610069/Dr-Fauci-says-hes-not-convinced-COVID-19-formed-naturally.html

So now you're turning on Saint Fauci after you've been worshipping at his altar for the last year?

You keep digging that hole for yourself. You'll soon reach China (pun intended).

You're like a deranged mental hospital patient who keeps constructing a false universe for yourself rather than come to grips with reality.

There were respected scientists on both sides in that article you posted.  So "scientists" don't just say highly unlikely.  There's rational reasoning on both sides of the issue, but you're ignoring one side in ignorance.

If you're going to discount a side because of "crazy" people that support it, then you also have to discount the "It came from the wild" theory.  There are people every bit as crazy that support that one, too.  You can't use "crazy" as a reason to support or discount anything.  You have to look at the facts yourself, and in this case the facts that support the wild theory are somewhat stronger than the lab theory, not the long odds you are declaring.  You have a few scientists saying long odds, and many more(including ones from MIT and other highly regarded institutions) saying not as probable as the wild theory, but probable enough that it really needs to be investigated.  

No, that's a conspiracy and it's highly unlikely. The actual conspiracy is the people directly connected to the Wuhan Lab who all came out almost immediately and claimed it couldn't have come from a lab, the Chinese researchers erasing their data, the Chinese Gov silencing the doctor who was going public early in the virus, etc. That's all an actual conspiracy.

It's far more likely they were actually studying man-altered viruses in the hopes of developing the tools to more quickly develop vaccines for the next SARs/COVID outbreak and just bungled the handling of the virus, since the Chinese have an insanely bad reputation for safety.




Yup. I've actually secretly suspected my illness Dec 2019 was COVID as it fits all the symptoms, I was sick for three weeks despite being on azithromycin for 10 days (I tested negative for both influenza types), and my sense of smell getting seriously fucked up for half of 2020*. I've just never had the money to go get tested for antibodies to confirm the suspicion.


* My sense of smell was actually more sensitive after I got over the 'flu/cold', but I was smelling things weirdly for just over 6 months, like everything that 'smelled bad' normally smelled like diesel or kerosene or cigarettes. I still have a few smells that seem out of whack, but that could just be because I'm not used to smelling those things as my sense of smell has been largely dead the last decade (severally reduced by bad allergies, the allergies haven't gone away, but being slightly stuffed up is no longer interfering with it).