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Post by cyphersmith on Aug 24, 2021 17:03:04 GMT
To be honest, your chart is full of shit. It fails to take tons of shit into account. Among other things, we have made significant advances in the last 20 years. They're actually testing an HIV vaccine soon using similar techniques as for the COVID vaccine. Further, you are still discounting the huge amount of people and money thrown at the problem. And honestly, many of the problems regarding the flu would decrease if we actually followed some of the methods we use for protection from COVID. But, of course, employers are against doing anything of the sort. Can't have employees calling in sick, after all. And your "all of these various pandemic measures essentially did nothing" is also full of shit. Sure, it's not going to go away, since any virus that isn't exclusive to humanity isn't going to be eradicated. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't do what we can to control it. COVID isn't just deadly. It damages a large part of your body. It does some of that damage whether you feel sick or not. Some of which doesn't go away. It's NOT, aside from what you're saying, a respiratory disease. It's a circulatory disease. It causes clotting. That can cause damage to pretty much any part of your body. It can kill you. It can cause strokes. And damage from clots doesn't always cause any symptoms. Meaning you might not know until something else shows up and kills you or disables you because of the damage you have from having had COVID. Two simple questions totally debunks all of your assertions as to "but muh vaccine work is faster now." Why did the FDA approve the Pfizer vaccine before the trials are complete? Especially when the reports on myocarditis and pericarditis side effects aren't due until 2025. Would they have done so if the pharma companies weren't indemnified? Of course, you didn't reply to my other point. The "debunking" questions are nothing of the sort. The trials ARE complete, as shown by the article Kirinke linked to. NOTHING gets full approval by the FDA without the trials being complete. They wouldn't have accepted the request for full approval without the trials being complete. Also shown by that article, it's common for vaccines to continue safety monitoring for years after vaccines (and all medications, for that matter) are fully approved. Thus, your second question's answer is YES. Your questions debunk exactly nothing. Which is totally unsurprising. |
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Post by kirinke on Aug 24, 2021 19:51:05 GMT
So kids, in essence, what have we learned from this? A: Get the vaccine and in general get all the shots your doctor recommends. B: Wear a mask where necessary, choose the one that fits your face properly and has the correct kind of fabric if you go with a cloth mask. An open-work lace mask for example isn't going to do diddly for you. Also, wear it properly, over the nose and mouth. C: Wash your hands. D: Social distance. E: Doing all of that isn't being fearful, isn't caving to the "man" or whatever. It's basic respect, both for yourself and others. It's good citizenship. You don't want to be passing any shit to anyone else or getting it yourself.
F: Don't listen to 3cat or right-wing media when Covid-19 is concerned. |
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Post by 3catcircus on Aug 25, 2021 2:09:54 GMT
I'll just wait to be correct again and again because, unlike you two dolts, I understand the subject matter and I understand the deeper implications of the integrated set of published information.
ADE (the primary warning against moving forward with human trials for all precursor coronavirus vaccine trials), vaccine-resistant strains, and large swathes of the population who will be injured by these vaccines due to no statistically-significant dataset to provide contraindications from and with no way to sue for damages - all of these situations are coming.
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Post by kirinke on Aug 25, 2021 11:22:10 GMT
You've never been proven right on anything. All of your "proofs" are no such thing.
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Post by cyphersmith on Aug 25, 2021 15:55:17 GMT
I'll just wait to be correct again and again because, unlike you two dolts, I understand the subject matter and I understand the deeper implications of the integrated set of published information. ADE (the primary warning against moving forward with human trials for all precursor coronavirus vaccine trials), vaccine-resistant strains, and large swathes of the population who will be injured by these vaccines due to no statistically-significant dataset to provide contraindications from and with no way to sue for damages - all of these situations are coming. hahahahahahhahaha! You're so far off the truth that it's fucking hilarious. ADE? Not happening. The rest of your shit? Baseless fears. |
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Post by kirinke on Aug 25, 2021 16:15:56 GMT
He listens to right wing media for medical advice.
The only thing you get from that is a Darwin award.
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Post by Libtard on Aug 25, 2021 22:24:34 GMT
Remember: if you’re an old white dude who votes republican in a republican-leaning state you don’t need to get vaccinated and you don’t need to wear a mask. You shouldn’t worry about social distancing or any stupid shit like that.
If you get sick, don’t worry about seeing a doctor - you’ll be fine. Just go and hang out with your old white republican buddies as normal.
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Post by 3catcircus on Aug 26, 2021 1:21:47 GMT
Once you realize everything the media and government is telling you is a lie, you'll finally start getting it.
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Post by kirinke on Aug 26, 2021 11:32:07 GMT
Once you realize that QAnon and the Republican party isn't your friend, is lying and is full of kooks (I'm being generous), you'll finally start to get it.
I mean hellfires and broomsticks, you have republican idiots comparing vaccine cards with concentration camp tats!
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Post by evileeyore on Aug 26, 2021 14:05:51 GMT
I mean hellfires and broomsticks, you have republican idiots comparing vaccine cards with concentration camp tats! Well, if you can't buy groceries or go into restaurants... and some Democrat governors are talking about allowing other vaccine discrimination based policies... and it's perfectly legal to discriminate against a worker based on vaccine status... Strange how the Democrats are suddenly so anti-black 1, or is this just their KKK roots showing again? You know, I'm coming around to the Democrat way of thinking on this, we should require a vaccination card for voting.1 - " As of August 16, 2021, CDC reported that race/ethnicity was known for 58% of people who had received at least one dose of the vaccine. Among this group, nearly two thirds were White (58%), 10% were Black, 17% were Hispanic, 6% were Asian, 1% were American Indian or Alaska Native, and <1% were Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islander, while 8% reported multiple or other race." When did Lollapalooza become so racist? |
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Post by kirinke on Aug 26, 2021 14:10:45 GMT
Nice try at key shaking. But you're doing the same thing as MTG and others. Which is equivalating racism with wanting to keep people safe and healthy.
It doesn't work with people who don't share your version of insanity.
On the other-side, why are Republicans so against vaccine mandates and mask-wearing? Do they not care about their constitutes and want them to die? At least democrats are consistently encouraging people to get vaccinated and wear masks. Like we discussed earlier, vaccine hesitancy and anti-vaxxer beliefs include both left and right leaning philosophies. Neither of which are based in fact.
The only thing that will solve either problem is making vaccines a mandatory thing for everyone who is medically able to do so. That will be the only way to level the playing field.
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Post by 3catcircus on Aug 26, 2021 15:38:30 GMT
Nice try at key shaking. But you're doing the same thing as MTG and others. Which is equivalating racism with wanting to keep people safe and healthy.
It doesn't work with people who don't share your version of insanity.
On the other-side, why are Republicans so against vaccine mandates and mask-wearing? Do they not care about their constitutes and want them to die? At least democrats are consistently encouraging people to get vaccinated and wear masks. Like we discussed earlier, vaccine hesitancy and anti-vaxxer beliefs include both left and right leaning philosophies. Neither of which are based in fact.
The only thing that will solve either problem is making vaccines a mandatory thing for everyone who is medically able to do so. That will be the only way to level the playing field.
You'll do better in a society more in tune with your beliefs - like China, Iran, or Afghanistan. |
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Post by kirinke on Aug 26, 2021 18:18:01 GMT
3cat, we already know you're nuts. No need to shout it from the rooftops. Having everyone who can be vaccinated against a deadly disease isn't fascism, communism, socialism or any other 'ism. It is being a responsible society that cares for it's people. Regardless of who they are or what social strata they belong to. Nobody deserves to die from this shit 3cat. The only way to stop that from happening is vaccinate everyone we can. Plain and simple.
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Post by cyphersmith on Aug 26, 2021 21:00:10 GMT
I mean hellfires and broomsticks, you have republican idiots comparing vaccine cards with concentration camp tats! Well, if you can't buy groceries or go into restaurants... and some Democrat governors are talking about allowing other vaccine discrimination based policies... and it's perfectly legal to discriminate against a worker based on vaccine status... Strange how the Democrats are suddenly so anti-black 1, or is this just their KKK roots showing again? You know, I'm coming around to the Democrat way of thinking on this, we should require a vaccination card for voting.1 - " As of August 16, 2021, CDC reported that race/ethnicity was known for 58% of people who had received at least one dose of the vaccine. Among this group, nearly two thirds were White (58%), 10% were Black, 17% were Hispanic, 6% were Asian, 1% were American Indian or Alaska Native, and <1% were Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islander, while 8% reported multiple or other race." When did Lollapalooza become so racist?Then I imagine this will really get your dander up. |
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Post by kirinke on Aug 26, 2021 21:17:19 GMT
The quickest way to end that nonsense is to get everyone who can be vaccinated, vaccinated. End of problem.
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